I need help with testosterone increase

[Deleted member 50579]

bro thats enough

for how many months tho? i dont have an income anymore btw

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Didnt u say instead of supplements ud rather take test and hcg, test stunts ur iq thats why even this forum which is extremely black pilled doesnt recommend taking test till like 21 or 24 i forgot which one, thats not the only reason test pre a set age is extremely bad if it wasnt everyone at our age would be on gear

Yeah thats true, dont think that should happen with hcg tho

 

[Typhon]

for how many months tho? i dont have an income anymore btw

6 months

 

[Deleted member 6305]

16 and you're already being autistic
Overrrrrrrr

 

[Deleted member 50579]

6 months

6 months hcg you reckon? I can only do one or the other, and it sounds like its a better option than test

 

[Deleted member 50579]

hCG is primarilty used for people who are injecting test to prevent ball shrinkage and suppresion of the testicle hormone LH.
That is why hCG is also considered PTC. So beware if you inject test alone and be considerate with the dosage, But hCG and test used correctly will significantly increase t levels depending on your goals without suppresion or ball shrinkage

So i can do hcg by itself, but not test by itself.

 

[Rigged]

Yeah thats true, dont think that should happen with hcg tho

No hcg only for testicular shrinkage and fertility, there is a post somewhere here on how to counter all sides but hcg not enough, and at 16 nothing can counter all sides

 

[Deleted member 50579]

No hcg only for testicular shrinkage and fertility, there is a post somewhere here on how to counter all sides but hcg not enough, and at 16 nothing can counter all sides

Results​

Of the 20 men included in the study, treatment indications included low libido (45%), lack of energy (50%), and erectile dysfunction (45%). Mean testosterone improved by 49.9% from a baseline of 362 ng/dL (SD 158) to 519.8 ng/dL (SD 265.6), (p=0.006). Median duration of therapy was 8 months (SD 5 months). Fifty percent of patients reported symptom improvement.

 

[Roge]

I probably understand what you want to hear, I can help in PMs (you have to actually pm me first)

 

[Donkeyballs]

So i can do hcg by itself, but not test by itself.

Yes you can do test by itself and wether how much it affects your HPTA depends.
A lot of times depending on dosage and if it is one of your first cycles it probably wont shut you down depending on cycle duration and dosage. hCG can be used during test, in the last weeks of test and/or as PCT just to ensure that your keep producing and prevent suppresion or to "restart production" so you dont actually need to take hCG and test at the same time, you can take hCG after your cycle as PCT for optimal function, which can help you in your finances

 

[Rigged]

Worst advice ever, ive been months without porn with little changes

No meat beating does lower test, study has shown after week it goes up to average no fap dont make test higher but it do help bring it to average while 1x a week increase test alot on 7 day for only 1 day so ideal is beat 1x a week on same day every week

 

[m0ss26]

Planning on getting bloods, but i just feel bad and have all the symptoms

Nigga hasn’t even got bloodwork and is 16 yapping about having symptoms holy shit our generation needs to get raped

 

[Rigged]

Results​

Of the 20 men included in the study, treatment indications included low libido (45%), lack of energy (50%), and erectile dysfunction (45%). Mean testosterone improved by 49.9% from a baseline of 362 ng/dL (SD 158) to 519.8 ng/dL (SD 265.6), (p=0.006). Median duration of therapy was 8 months (SD 5 months). Fifty percent of patients reported symptom improvement.

Im drunk rn so i try my best to think rn can u send link to this so i can read in theory yes but 49.9% seems too much

 

[Rigged]

Nigga hasn’t even got bloodwork and is 16 yapping about having symptoms holy shit our generation needs to get raped

I wanna get raped hopefully sum htb rapes me one day

 

[Donkeyballs]

Nigga hasn’t even got bloodwork and is 16 yapping about having symptoms holy shit our generation needs to get raped

Yeah OP, you really need a bloodwork done. We need to know your test levels, free test, LH at least to assess you correctly, a lot of these are very important to see your baseline and to where you can get and you plan your cycles according to that. You could also get other secondary profiles like e2 and igf1, TSH or t3/t4 if interested

 

[Rigged]

Results​

Of the 20 men included in the study, treatment indications included low libido (45%), lack of energy (50%), and erectile dysfunction (45%). Mean testosterone improved by 49.9% from a baseline of 362 ng/dL (SD 158) to 519.8 ng/dL (SD 265.6), (p=0.006). Median duration of therapy was 8 months (SD 5 months). Fifty percent of patients reported symptom improvement.

Also this wouldnt show about countering sides this just shows increasing test id like to read this source but it has nothing to do with what i said sorry

 

[m0ss26]

Yeah OP, you really need a bloodwork done. We need to know your test levels, free test, LH at least to assess you correctly, a lot of these are very important to see your baseline and to where you can get and you plan your cycles according to that. You could also get other secondary profiles like e2 and igf1, TSH or t3/t4 if interested

Was thinking this exactly. you need to see ur free T and LH. If those are normal you’ll want to see ur t3 and possibly e2 so just order a bunch of shit when u get labs

 

[Donkeyballs]

Also this wouldnt show about countering sides this just shows increasing test id like to read this source but it has nothing to do with what i said sorry

hCG is used during test therapy by endocrinologists to prevent sides like suppression and ball shrinkage, thats just common knowledge you can search it up. Not everyone uses it but it is considered optimal

 

[m0ss26]

I advise against hcg at this age btw. Coming from a guy with 200 free T and who’s mother runs a successful endocrinology practice

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Nigga hasn’t even got bloodwork and is 16 yapping about having symptoms holy shit our generation needs to get raped

Yeah OP, you really need a bloodwork done. We need to know your test levels, free test, LH at least to assess you correctly, a lot of these are very important to see your baseline and to where you can get and you plan your cycles according to that. You could also get other secondary profiles like e2 and igf1, TSH or t3/t4 if interested

Alr yeah im getting bloods asap

I advise against hcg at this age btw. Coming from a guy with 200 free T and who’s mother runs a successful endocrinology practice

why?

 

[ThanksForTheHGHMom]

Worst advice ever, ive been months without porn with little changes

If porn isn't the issue then it's something else. While it's exciting to think about the benefits, you don't need testosterone. The solution is going to be something a lot more boring.

 

[Rigged]

hCG is used during test therapy by endocrinologists to prevent sides like suppression and ball shrinkage, thats just common knowledge you can search it up. Not everyone uses it but it is considered optimal

Yes i know that sorry man i said that but he replied with source of it increasing i am aware of hcg the 50% stat is new to me tho as i knew in theory it would but 50% dont seem right so i wanted link to his site that he got that info from

 

[Rigged]

If porn isn't the issue then it's something else. While it's exciting to think about the benefits, you don't need testosterone. The solution is going to be something a lot more boring.

Its most likely meat beating at 16 im also 16 and i was running at low test for a while without realizing it cause of this

 

[Rigged]

Alr yeah im getting bloods asap

why?

He probably meant cuz of height stunt but the op said he dont care ab that anyways

 

[Donkeyballs]

Yes i know that sorry man i said that but he replied with source of it increasing i am aware of hcg the 50% stat is new to me tho as i knew in theory it would but 50% dont seem right so i wanted link to his site that he got that info from

Yeah it did increase tetosterone by 50% but even though it seems very significant their t levels were already low because they had hypogondal symptoms which is decreased functional activity of the gonads, which means that hey had low LH levels and thus low androgens like tetosterone, that is why it says they had low libido, decreased energy etc. So even if it just increased by like 150ng/dl which is not that much for a healthy male, it is a big percentage.
If OP takes hCG his t levels won't increase by 50%, that would be too much, unless of course he has also low T/Hypogonadism like the patients which I doubt. I agree

 

[n9wiff]

I already supplement zinc, magnesium and megadose ashwagandha. My diet is pretty good and I exercise a bit (should do more). but im looking for that extra boost you know?

A good way to get an extra boost is to cut out microplastics and endocrine disruptors from all facets of your life. I'll give it in list form but if you want a more detailed guide on optimizing male hormones overall instead of just test lmk as I have been researching on this for about a year.

1) Reduce all forms of plastic throughout the day. Use a metal flask instead of a plastic water bottle. Use ceramic or glassware instead of plastic plates and cups.

2) If you cook, make sure your utensils aren't plastic, especially if they are exposed to high temperatures.

3) Make sure you're detergent and dishwashing solutions or anything that you use to clean and wash are fragrance free. Look for labels that suggest the the product are phthalate free and paraben free or fragrance free.

4) Stop buying drinks in plastic bottles, drink from only cans. If you have money, get milk or drinks in those glass bottles.

5) Don't use fragrances or cologne as they have been shown to fuck up your endocrine system. ( Look up "xenoestrogens" )

6) Don't consume mint.

7) Cook with animal fat or butter instead of seedoils. Coconut oil works

8) Get leaner, high bodyfat percentage has been shown to increase aromatization, turning your testosterones to estrogen.

9) Cut out unnecessary sugars, you don't need that much carbs

10) Don't take TOO MUCH dairy products, they are good in moderation but don't go overboard with it.

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Yeah it did increase tetosterone by 50% but even though it seems very significant their t levels were already low because they had hypogondal symptoms which is decreased functional activity of the gonads, which means that hey had low LH levels and thus low androgens like tetosterone, that is why it says they had low libido, decreased energy etc. So even if it just increased by like 150ng/dl which is not that much for a healthy male, it is a big percentage.
If OP takes hCG his t levels won't increase by 50%, that would be too much, unless of course he has also low T/Hypogonadism like the patients which I doubt. I agree

you reckon i need parental permission for bloods? or can i just walk up there and ask?

 

[Donkeyballs]

you reckon i need parental permission for bloods? or can i just walk up there and ask?

I guess it depends, in the usa in most states you can be between 14-16 and seek medical or healthcare treatment without your parents knowing. You live in australia right? I guess you can.

You can also say you are 18 but you have retarded puberty or something and thats why you are taking the blood test

 

[Rigged]

Yeah it did increase tetosterone by 50% but even though it seems very significant their t levels were already low because they had hypogondal symptoms which is decreased functional activity of the gonads, which means that hey had low LH levels and thus low androgens like tetosterone, that is why it says they had low libido, decreased energy etc. So even if it just increased by like 150ng/dl which is not that much for a healthy male, it is a big percentage.
If OP takes hCG his t levels won't increase by 50%, that would be too much, unless of course he has also low T/Hypogonadism like the patients which I doubt. I agree

Mmm, around 20-30% would be a reasonable estimate without a study for normative baseline, still a lot unless im seeing something wrong here

 

[Rigged]

A good way to get an extra boost is to cut out microplastics and endocrine disruptors from all facets of your life. I'll give it in list form but if you want a more detailed guide on optimizing male hormones overall instead of just test lmk as I have been researching on this for about a year.

1) Reduce all forms of plastic throughout the day. Use a metal flask instead of a plastic water bottle. Use ceramic or glassware instead of plastic plates and cups.

2) If you cook, make sure your utensils aren't plastic, especially if they are exposed to high temperatures.

3) Make sure you're detergent and dishwashing solutions or anything that you use to clean and wash are fragrance free. Look for labels that suggest the the product are phthalate free and paraben free or fragrance free.

4) Stop buying drinks in plastic bottles, drink from only cans. If you have money, get milk or drinks in those glass bottles.

5) Don't use fragrances or cologne as they have been shown to fuck up your endocrine system. ( Look up "xenoestrogens" )

6) Don't consume mint.

7) Cook with animal fat or butter instead of seedoils. Coconut oil works

8) Get leaner, high bodyfat percentage has been shown to increase aromatization, turning your testosterones to estrogen.

9) Cut out unnecessary sugars, you don't need that much carbs

10) Don't take TOO MUCH dairy products, they are good in moderation but don't go overboard with it.

Everything true but #6, never seen evidence for mint having any affect on test

 

[Rigged]

A good way to get an extra boost is to cut out microplastics and endocrine disruptors from all facets of your life. I'll give it in list form but if you want a more detailed guide on optimizing male hormones overall instead of just test lmk as I have been researching on this for about a year.

1) Reduce all forms of plastic throughout the day. Use a metal flask instead of a plastic water bottle. Use ceramic or glassware instead of plastic plates and cups.

2) If you cook, make sure your utensils aren't plastic, especially if they are exposed to high temperatures.

3) Make sure you're detergent and dishwashing solutions or anything that you use to clean and wash are fragrance free. Look for labels that suggest the the product are phthalate free and paraben free or fragrance free.

4) Stop buying drinks in plastic bottles, drink from only cans. If you have money, get milk or drinks in those glass bottles.

5) Don't use fragrances or cologne as they have been shown to fuck up your endocrine system. ( Look up "xenoestrogens" )

6) Don't consume mint.

7) Cook with animal fat or butter instead of seedoils. Coconut oil works

8) Get leaner, high bodyfat percentage has been shown to increase aromatization, turning your testosterones to estrogen.

9) Cut out unnecessary sugars, you don't need that much carbs

10) Don't take TOO MUCH dairy products, they are good in moderation but don't go overboard with it.

Ive seen studies saying mint could have an anti-androgenic affect but nothing conclusive ik its not that important but just curious since id rather know than not know

 

[Donkeyballs]

Mmm, around 20-30% would be a reasonable estimate without a study for normative baseline, still a lot unless im seeing something wrong here

Let's say OP has 600ng/dl of total testoserone as an example, if it increased by 30% that would be an increase to 780nd/dl which is still not "a lot." above 1000ng/dl of test is when it is considered 'high' by the medical community but it is not dangerous. or unhealthy, at least if you dont go into very very superphysiological levels of tetosterone.

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Let's say OP has 600ng/dl of total testoserone as an example, if it increased by 30% that would be an increase to 780nd/dl which is still not "a lot." above 1000ng/dl of test is when it is considered 'high' by the medical community but it is not dangerous. or unhealthy, at least if you dont go into very very superphysiological levels of tetosterone.

I mean i havent gotten it checked yet but i know im not 600, i mean you saw my symptoms right?

 

[Donkeyballs]

I mean i havent gotten it checked yet but i know im not 600, i mean you saw my symptoms right?

Yeah I know, I was just telling him/her JFL that with a "normative baseline" like he/she said it isn't that significant of an impact, unless you have low t/Hypogonadism which can help and that according to you, you have.

 

[Rigged]

Let's say OP has 600ng/dl of total testoserone as an example, if it increased by 30% that would be an increase to 780nd/dl which is still not "a lot." above 1000ng/dl of test is when it is considered 'high' by the medical community but it is not dangerous. or unhealthy, at least if you dont go into very very superphysiological levels of tetosterone.

30% even if it doesnt surpass 1000 ngdl, would still be alot, imagine if ur dick went from 6 to 8 inches sure its not 10 but its alot more than 6

 

[Rigged]

Let's say OP has 600ng/dl of total testoserone as an example, if it increased by 30% that would be an increase to 780nd/dl which is still not "a lot." above 1000ng/dl of test is when it is considered 'high' by the medical community but it is not dangerous. or unhealthy, at least if you dont go into very very superphysiological levels of tetosterone.

Idk why i used that gay ass example, u get what i mean tho 30% wether low will still have effects on the body

 

[Rigged]

Yeah I know, I was just telling him/her JFL that with a "normative baseline" like he/she said it isn't that significant of an impact, unless you have low t/Hypogonadism which can help and that according to you, you have.

Dont women get banned on this forum? Thought i saw a mod say that.

 

[n9wiff]

Everything true but #6, never seen evidence for mint having any affect on test

You're right but I go with the mindset of might as well avoiding it.

 

[A..]

Sleep the most important, start active lifestyle and go to the gym, dont eat highly processed food, stay in calorie surplus since you shouldnt get to extremely lean levels of body fat when you are young.
Literally basic things of improving your life, may help a lot if you didnt paid attention to that before

 

[Deleted member 51715]

16, is natural boosting/lifestyle changes the only way for now?

Hcg seems like the second best option but it also apparently doesn't really do much
Not doing TRT for obvious reasons (and can't run it with hcg cos its too expensive)
And clomid/enclo have way too many side effects

But i have extremely low T what should I do??
I don't really mind stunting my growth as im already at a decent height

You don’t need steroids lol go in botb and just follow the natural testosterone maxing guide.

 

[Typhon]

So i can do hcg by itself, but not test by itself.

Hcg is just a pct, there’s no reason to use it for anything else. If you buy from china you can get good prices

 

[Deleted member 50579]

You don’t need steroids lol go in botb and just follow the natural testosterone maxing guide.

This is very bluepilled.

 

[Deleted member 51715]

This is very bluepilled.

Do you want him to hop on test and fuck himself over when he’s probably not even doing the basic necessities for having normal levels of test?

 

[m0ss26]

If porn isn't the issue then it's something else. While it's exciting to think about the benefits, you don't need testosterone. The solution is going to be something a lot more boring.

Porn has nothing to do with ur T jfl

 

[m0ss26]

Get to 14-18% bf, optimize sleep as much as humanly possible, get sunlight and make sure all ur vitamins and minerals are optimized, eat as much natural food as possible (high protein)

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Get to 14-18% bf, optimize sleep as much as humanly possible, get sunlight and make sure all ur vitamins and minerals are optimized, eat as much natural food as possible (high protein)

Is there anything between coping with vitamins and straight up injectoins?

 

[Deleted member 50579]

Like there has to be SOME midway point between taking 20 useless vitamins and shutting your balls down

 

[m0ss26]

Is there anything between coping with vitamins and straight up injectoins?

No, you need to get most of it through food (and vitamin D through sun), supplementing helps a little so I would just take pill form

 

[king_bandon]

I already supplement zinc, magnesium and megadose ashwagandha. My diet is pretty good and I exercise a bit (should do more). but im looking for that extra boost you know?

Stop taking ashwaghanda rn, it's probably messing you up

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Like there has to be SOME midway point between taking 20 useless vitamins and shutting your balls down

?? Only vitamine D + magnesium is gonna work

The others are bullshit