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I am 16 right now. In March first week, I shall turn 17. I want to look good that day. Lean. And after that too. The clock is ticking. Every day, I get closer to being an adult. I want to grow bones too. I am aware that being in a calorie deficit is not optimal for that. I am willing to take SARMs, steroids, or whatever, considering it is not too expensive (tirza, reta etcetera just expensive stuff like this). What should I do right now. I am 63.5 kgs, 140 lbs, 6 foot 1. It seems weird but I am not skinny. I look kind of skinny fat without clothes. I have a bit of muscle, just a bit. I think I am around 15 percent bodyfat right now. I want to drop down to 8 percent, then lean bulk from there and take whatever is needed and grow bones.

One thing I do want to know is that I do not want to take anything that is going to suppress my own testosterone production. I can do PCT. I am talking about serious dangers of it not being able to restart my body’s own production. I do not want to be dependent on it for life, no matter how great it is.

I know how much knowledgeable people utterly despise those that ask for advice without researching anything from their own, but please, I beg you, help me out this time. I'll be grateful for it my entire life.

Please tell me and help me. Please. I beg you all. I have used my will. I have went days without eating. I want it. I want it bad. Help me. I am a bit down on budget so recommend according to that. I know that people that have used their time and put in effort despise when others just ask for it. I feel the same sometimes. But please. I beg you all. Help me. I cannot take it anymore.
 
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100% of men can regain spermatogenesis after TRT/AAS abuse without concurrent HCG/HMG/rFSH use.
Regaining spermatogenesis implies regaining testicular function i.e., the endogenous production of testosterone. You may not have as-high levels compared to that of yourself in your teen/early adult years, but you cannot isolate the decrease to solely AAS use as opposed to general aging, and most people fail to consider that when they PCT after AAS abuse.
 
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100% of men can regain spermatogenesis after TRT/AAS abuse without concurrent HCG/HMG/rFSH use.
Regaining spermatogenesis implies regaining testicular function i.e., the endogenous production of testosterone. You may not have as-high levels compared to that of yourself in your teen/early adult years, but you cannot isolate the decrease to solely AAS use as opposed to general aging, and most people fail to consider that when they PCT after AAS abuse.
To clarify, 100% is not hyperbole, I am not rounding up from 90% or 95% or 99% either. I mean 100%.
 
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first of all not eating is definitely not the move when your still developing just think about it how can you truly develop when your malnourished?
 
go to the gym, check your thyroid, and debloat
 
To clarify, 100% is not hyperbole, I am not rounding up from 90% or 95% or 99% either. I mean 100%.
Interesting. Thank you for your help.
 
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first of all not eating is definitely not the move when your still developing just think about it how can you truly develop when your malnourished?
Fucking sucks, yet, I CRAVE being lean. That's why I gone days without eating. Maximising deficit. Get done with it ASAP and after that lean bulk and focus on growing bones
 
bro going to the gym is not that hard
I already am doing that fuckass retard, I didn't ask for basic advice like this. "muhhh debloat:feelsohh::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman:". If I met you in person, I'd cut your body in half, rip out all the organs, cut them pieces to pieces and feed it to dogs.
 
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100% of men can regain spermatogenesis after TRT/AAS abuse without concurrent HCG/HMG/rFSH use.
Regaining spermatogenesis implies regaining testicular function i.e., the endogenous production of testosterone. You may not have as-high levels compared to that of yourself in your teen/early adult years, but you cannot isolate the decrease to solely AAS use as opposed to general aging, and most people fail to consider that when they PCT after AAS abuse.
Interesting. Thank you for your help.
I want to amend my statement after re-reading it after you replied.

Spermatogenesis =/ endogenous testosterone production, it rather means the production of sperm, but the production of sperm can only occur if the testicles are functioning i.e., not atrophied, so it can be inferred that this would mean people not need rely on hormones for their testosterone after recovering spermatogenesis.

Though the study I am referencing explicitly clarifies that spermatogenesis =/ regaining endogenous testosterone production in testicles, but I can't see how that would not occur with the regaining of spermatogenesis, though you may need continued use of exogenous hormones to mimic LH/FSH / bind to the LH/FSH receptor even after regaining spermatogenesis to regain ADEQUATE testicular function for not needing to rely on exogenous testosterone.
 
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I already am doing that fuckass retard, I didn't ask for basic advice like this. "muhhh debloat:feelsohh::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman:". If I met you in person, I'd cut your body in half, rip out all the organs, cut them pieces to pieces and feed it to dogs.
hahahha you fucking clown:soy:
 
I want to amend my statement after re-reading it after you replied.

Spermatogenesis =/ endogenous testosterone production, it rather means the production of sperm, but the production of sperm can only occur if the testicles are functioning i.e., not atrophied, so it can be inferred that this would mean people not need rely on hormones for their testosterone after recovering spermatogenesis.

Though the study I am referencing explicitly clarifies that spermatogenesis =/ regaining endogenous testosterone production in testicles, but I can't see how that would not occur with the regaining of spermatogenesis, though you may need continued use of exogenous hormones to mimic LH/FSH / bind to the LH/FSH receptor even after regaining spermatogenesis to regain ADEQUATE testicular function for not needing to rely on exogenous testosterone.
I'm going to be honest. Thank you. There are some words I have heard and am not familar with, I'll use your reply and tell ai to elaborate. Again, Thank you very much.
 
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I am 16 right now. In March first week, I shall turn 17. I want to look good that day. Lean. And after that too. The clock is ticking. Every day, I get closer to being an adult. I want to grow bones too. I am aware that being in a calorie deficit is not optimal for that. I am willing to take SARMs, steroids, or whatever, considering it is not too expensive (tirza, reta etcetera just expensive stuff like this). What should I do right now. I am 63.5 kgs, 140 lbs, 6 foot 1. It seems weird but I am not skinny. I look kind of skinny fat without clothes. I have a bit of muscle, just a bit. I think I am around 15 percent bodyfat right now. I want to drop down to 8 percent, then lean bulk from there and take whatever is needed and grow bones.

One thing I do want to know is that I do not want to take anything that is going to suppress my own testosterone production. I can do PCT. I am talking about serious dangers of it not being able to restart my body’s own production. I do not want to be dependent on it for life, no matter how great it is.

I know how much knowledgeable people utterly despise those that ask for advice without researching anything from their own, but please, I beg you, help me out this time. I'll be grateful for it my entire life.

Please tell me and help me. Please. I beg you all. I have used my will. I have went days without eating. I want it. I want it bad. Help me. I am a bit down on budget so recommend according to that. I know that people that have used their time and put in effort despise when others just ask for it. I feel the same sometimes. But please. I beg you all. Help me. I cannot take it anymore.
Also, given your lack of knowledge, the fact you're willing to do steroids/SARMs but not anything that will suppress yourself (contradictory), I'd just say you opt for growth/slin after still A LOT of research, lots of people abuse growth and it is still risky, but irresponsible use of slin will unironically kill you/put you in a coma as the acute increase in insulin from exogenous use will make you hypoglycaemic if you don't eat carbohydrates concurrently.
 
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100% of men can regain spermatogenesis after TRT/AAS abuse without concurrent HCG/HMG/rFSH use.
Regaining spermatogenesis implies regaining testicular function i.e., the endogenous production of testosterone. You may not have as-high levels compared to that of yourself in your teen/early adult years, but you cannot isolate the decrease to solely AAS use as opposed to general aging, and most people fail to consider that when they PCT after AAS abuse.
are you TRTing for life? and then using hCG and hMG when you would like to have kids?
 
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Also, given your lack of knowledge, the fact you're willing to do steroids/SARMs but not anything that will suppress yourself (contradictory), I'd just say you opt for growth/slin after still A LOT of research, lots of people abuse growth and it is still risky, but irresponsible use of slin will unironically kill you/put you in a coma as the acute increase in insulin from exogenous use will make you hypoglycaemic if you don't eat carbohydrates concurrently.
are there any slin guides on here? wondering cos that would be a good guide to make, as i would probably like to use insulin but im unaware of how to.
 
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are you TRTing for life? and then using hCG and hMG when you would like to have kids?
I am already on HCG/HMG now alongside my other hormone use.
I am going to drop to TRT levels (140mg/week) of test p until the 28th where I'll frontload with 500mg test c because I'll be in China for 15 days, then I will do a gram of test and other shit for an aggressive bulk, but I will get my sperm frozen before this bulk because I have not yet taken anything like tren i.e., a more involved/riskier hormone, not even any oral steroid yet.
Though, I wish that I had gotten my sperm frozen prior to any hormone/peptide use whatsoever because there is no guarantee I haven't already induced epigenetic change.
I also will need to consult the fertility clinic regarding my Dutasteride use so as to determine whether or not I can actually get my sperm frozen given its half life, and if I can't, then I will likely get my sperm frozen anyway, hop off Dut and just use fin/RU-58841 while I blast, then once I have the Dut out of my system, I will get my sperm frozen AGAIN before using anything like tren or halo.
But to answer your question, I intend to completely eliminate my use of AAS at some point in my life, so no to TRT-ing forever.
 
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Also, given your lack of knowledge, the fact you're willing to do steroids/SARMs but not anything that will suppress yourself (contradictory), I'd just say you opt for growth/slin after still A LOT of research, lots of people abuse growth and it is still risky, but irresponsible use of slin will unironically kill you/put you in a coma as the acute increase in insulin from exogenous use will make you hypoglycaemic if you don't eat carbohydrates concurrently.
I thought of using mk677 (not hgh because I'm not rich) , slin pills, black ox + blue ox + enclomiphene for test boosting. You might be caging at what I am saying, but this is all I could end up with after researching on youtube. I am willing to stop my bodys own test production but I want it to return after I do PCT, i don't want to be dependent on exogenous hormones for the rest of my life. THIS is my point.
 
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are there any slin guides on here? wondering cos that would be a good guide to make, as i would probably like to use insulin but im unaware of how to.
Doubt it nor should you trust a guide for INSULIN unless you want to potentially kill yourself.
I would only trust somebody like @chadisbeingmade to give proper information without neglecting nuance for such a compound, but he would also tell you to DYOR before you use it because there is a lot of nuance that people most likely will not consider and I do not want to be responsible for anybody hurting themselves on here because that completely contradicts why I participate on this forum.
 
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I am already on HCG/HMG now alongside my other hormone use.
I am going to drop to TRT levels (140mg/week) of test p until the 28th where I'll frontload with 500mg test c because I'll be in China for 15 days, then I will do a gram of test and other shit for an aggressive bulk, but I will get my sperm frozen before this bulk because I have not yet taken anything like tren i.e., a more involved/riskier hormone, not even any oral steroid yet.
Though, I wish that I had gotten my sperm frozen prior to any hormone/peptide use whatsoever because there is no guarantee I haven't already induced epigenetic change.
I also will need to consult the fertility clinic regarding my Dutasteride use so as to determine whether or not I can actually get my sperm frozen given its half life, and if I can't, then I will likely get my sperm frozen anyway, hop off Dut and just use fin/RU-58841 while I blast, then once I have the Dut out of my system, I will get my sperm frozen AGAIN before using anything like tren or halo.
nice man, mirin, your like 21 though right? I'm only 15 right now and lowkey don't have the money to freeze my sperm at the moment, but also want to hop on AAS relatively soon. Would you say hopping on in puberty is worth it compared to hopping on later? Wondering if the so called "facial changes" are worth it for people.

nice going to china lol, always wanted to go lowkey cos i'm a big buyer of replica clothes and stuff from there.
 
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Doubt it nor should you trust a guide for INSULIN unless you want to potentially kill yourself.
I would only trust somebody like @chadisbeingmade to give proper information without neglecting nuance for such a compound, but he would also tell you to DYOR before you use it because there is a lot of nuance that people most likely will not consider and I do not want to be responsible for anybody hurting themselves on here because that completely contradicts why I participate on this forum.
I had a small convo with him about DNP. He's an amazing guy for sure.
 
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I'd want kids at around 23-27 max
He was asking me.

I thought of using mk677 (not hgh because I'm not rich) , slin pills, black ox + blue ox + enclomiphene for test boosting. You might be caging at what I am saying, but this is all I could end up with after researching on youtube. I am willing to stop my bodys own test production but I want it to return after I do PCT, i don't want to be dependent on exogenous hormones for the rest of my life. THIS is my point.
@Snucell see what I mean? Insulin is not testosterone, and this guy wants to take insulin pills (insulin is not orally bioavailable, at least not significantly enough that you can reliably/safely dose it).
I am not going to make a thread for anything like self-administration of insulin for its abuse and end up causing kids to harm themselves.
The extent of what I will do (i.e., the most severe) is probably discuss my stem cell use if I DIY it or otherwise go to a clinic for it.
 
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I am not going to make a thread for anything like self-administration of insulin for its abuse and end up causing kids to harm themselves.
The extent of what I will do (i.e., the most severe) is probably discuss my stem cell use if I DIY it or otherwise go to a clinic for it.
totally understand that and honestly respect.
 
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He was asking me.


@Snucell see what I mean? Insulin is not testosterone, and this guy wants to take insulin pills (insulin is not orally bioavailable, at least not significantly enough that you can reliably/safely dose it).
I am not going to make a thread for anything like self-administration of insulin for its abuse and end up causing kids to harm themselves.
The extent of what I will do (i.e., the most severe) is probably discuss my stem cell use if I DIY it or otherwise go to a clinic for it.
I don't give a fuck about harm😭. Everything that produces results is harmful to some degree no? I heard jack murphy talking about using enclomiphene + mk677 + slin pills + blue ox and black ox together. That's where I got this idea from.
 
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He was asking me.


@Snucell see what I mean? Insulin is not testosterone, and this guy wants to take insulin pills (insulin is not orally bioavailable, at least not significantly enough that you can reliably/safely dose it).
I am not going to make a thread for anything like self-administration of insulin for its abuse and end up causing kids to harm themselves.
The extent of what I will do (i.e., the most severe) is probably discuss my stem cell use if I DIY it or otherwise go to a clinic for it.
i.e., I will always frame my threads pertaining to actual compound use as entirely theoretical without clarifying anything like dose, unless I am speaking about my own personal experience. And I will also preface that I don't recommend anybody do what I do unless they are not an idiot (though stubborn cunts still might disregard) or otherwise under the direct supervision of somebody extremely knowledgeable that is responsible for them.

nice man, mirin, your like 21 though right? I'm only 15 right now and lowkey don't have the money to freeze my sperm at the moment, but also want to hop on AAS relatively soon. Would you say hopping on in puberty is worth it compared to hopping on later? Wondering if the so called "facial changes" are worth it for people.
20. If you want to use gear during puberty then use HCG and ideally rFSH, otherwise HCG/HMG. HMG is not prohibitively expensive but if you choose to disregard my advice then you must AT THE VERY LEAST run HCG. Then use HCG & rFSH/HCG & HMG for a few months post-cycle to ensure proper testicular function.

After you should be fine to either taper down use until you're off, or cold turkey come off entirely since the suppression of the pituitary is contingent on the extent of the existence of exogenous compounds in your body rather than something that potentially atrophies testicles, since *AFAIK* there is no epigenetic change that occurs from chronic testosterone use/AAS abuse though maybe there is with something like tren or another 19-nors derivative but I am not familiar. Their metabolites also last far longer in the body so if you ever ran something like tren on-cycle and wanted to come off, you'd want to use HCG & others for a few months at least.

I wouldn't recommend anybody under 18 to hop on given a lot of you are fucking idiots and I don't want to cause a child to harm themselves because they stupidly followed the ideals of old(er) guys like me on the forum.

I don't believe in facial masculinisation from AAS use outside of the decline in health indicators e.g., elastin loss from supernormal DHT levels, wrinkles, facial hair (which I hate and laser off anyway), etc. If you're coming at AAS from an angle of "i want to look more like a man" pertaining to your skull specifically, then do not use them.

nice going to china lol, always wanted to go lowkey cos i'm a big buyer of replica clothes and stuff from there.
My girlfriend is an international student but yeah, great country, the only one I've been to outside of Australia. I would consider living there given the finances & if I give up on my dreams of being involved in Australian politics.
 
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I don't give a fuck about harm😭. Everything that produces results is harmful to some degree no? I heard jack murphy talking about using enclomiphene + mk677 + slin pills + blue ox and black ox together. That's where I got this idea from.
Harm in this context = death.
Don't tell me you give a fuck about dying because you know that's not true and I would not take you seriously.
 
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Harm in this context = death.
Don't tell me you give a fuck about dying because you know that's not true and I would not take you seriously.
You're right, I do care about dying. I thought you meant something like dying 5 years earlier.
 
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@aids I am willing to do my own research. The thing that stops me is that this is so vast I don't where to start. Can you please atleast help me with knowing where to start and how to research about these things properly and not using pussy sources
 
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You're right, I do care about dying. I thought you meant something like dying 5 years earlier.
Also, given your lack of knowledge, the fact you're willing to do steroids/SARMs but not anything that will suppress yourself (contradictory), I'd just say you opt for growth/slin after still A LOT of research, lots of people abuse growth and it is still risky, but irresponsible use of slin will unironically kill you/put you in a coma as the acute increase in insulin from exogenous use will make you hypoglycaemic if you don't eat carbohydrates concurrently.
Acute = sudden and significant, if you become hypoglycaemic for too long, you will faint, be put into a potentially-indefinite coma if you're found while unconscious, and die if you're not.
You should not be using insulin under any circumstance dude, you are too young, and you are an idiot. I am not saying you are an idiot necessarily because you're dumb, but at your age, you absolutely know less than what you might at 20.
 
@aids I am willing to do my own research. The thing that stops me is that this is so vast I don't where to start. Can you please atleast help me with knowing where to start and how to research about these things properly and not using pussy sources
Steroid forums, clinical literature, ChatGPT for superficial general hypothetical ONLY.
 
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i.e., I will always frame my threads pertaining to actual compound use as entirely theoretical without clarifying anything like dose, unless I am speaking about my own personal experience. And I will also preface that I don't recommend anybody do what I do unless they are not an idiot (though stubborn cunts still might disregard) or otherwise under the direct supervision of somebody extremely knowledgeable that is responsible for them.


20. If you want to use gear during puberty then use HCG and ideally rFSH, otherwise HCG/HMG. HMG is not prohibitively expensive but if you choose to disregard my advice then you must AT THE VERY LEAST run HCG. Then use HCG & rFSH/HCG & HMG for a few months post-cycle to ensure proper testicular function.

After you should be fine to either taper down use until you're off, or cold turkey come off entirely since the suppression of the pituitary is contingent on the extent of the existence of exogenous compounds in your body rather than something that potentially atrophies testicles, since *AFAIK* there is no epigenetic change that occurs from chronic testosterone use/AAS abuse though maybe there is with something like tren or another 19-nors derivative but I am not familiar. Their metabolites also last far longer in the body so if you ever ran something like tren on-cycle and wanted to come off, you'd want to use HCG & others for a few months at least.

I wouldn't recommend anybody under 18 to hop on given a lot of you are fucking idiots and I don't want to cause a child to harm themselves because they stupidly followed the ideals of old(er) guys like me on the forum.

I don't believe in facial masculinisation from AAS use outside of the decline in health indicators e.g., elastin loss from supernormal DHT levels, wrinkles, facial hair (which I hate and laser off anyway), etc. If you're coming at AAS from an angle of "i want to look more like a man" pertaining to your skull specifically, then do not use them.


My girlfriend is an international student but yeah, great country, the only one I've been to outside of Australia. I would consider living there given the finances & if I give up on my dreams of being involved in Australian politics.
How so? Increase in androgens have been directly linked to the development of more dimorphic features. Especially, around the mandible and browridge.
 
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Acute = sudden and significant, if you become hypoglycaemic for too long, you will faint, be put into a potentially-indefinite coma if you're found while unconscious, and die if you're not.
You should not be using insulin under any circumstance dude, you are too young, and you are an idiot. I am not saying you are an idiot necessarily because you're dumb, but at your age, you absolutely know less than what you might at 20.
SO i wont use slin pills. Got you.
Also, I wouldn't mind you calling me dumb because I know I am not😂. I am less knowledgeable than you in these topics, its clear, so, it's fine.
Thanks for helping me out so much. Most people just reply with dnr or give half assed responses or just basic advice (this is basic too for someone that is knowledgeable but I think you get what I mean)
 
How so? Increase in androgens have been directly linked to the development of more dimorphic features. Especially, around the mandible and browridge.
@SlayerJonas has a good thread on the topic with AAS/growth factor use pertaining to facial masculinisation, and/or height.
It is not as simple of a concept as you think, but let's say it is, the majority of the bones in your face are almost entirely developed/the growth plates have already fused by your age.

You would need to use this stuff from a very young age (pre-teens or even as a toddler, and nobody is going to do that) to guarantee change but nobody is going to do that and we will never have a control group to reference to an experimental group unless an actual study occurs (rather than just blindly relying on the anecdotes of people who have info/products to shill you).

I mean, take a look at people like that sunshine faggot on TikTok who claimed to increase his mandibular width from hormone use at like 18 or some shit.
You can see that magically from one post to the next, his brows were threaded, his mandible is wider (more so than his bizygomatic width, so it looks retarded too).
Now, be a logical human without any sort of bias here and tell me you genuinely believe that somebody like that (the type of guy to perpetuate these ideas) is not actually just getting filler after going to a medspa, further implied by his brows changing.
Assume everybody except those who do not benefit from giving information are lying to you.
It doesn't benefit me to tell you this does/doesn't work, so you can safely discern that though I could be wrong (I'm not), I am at the very least, telling the truth.
 
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SO i wont use slin pills. Got you.
Also, I wouldn't mind you calling me dumb because I know I am not😂. I am less knowledgeable than you in these topics, its clear, so, it's fine.
Thanks for helping me out so much. Most people just reply with dnr or give half assed responses or just basic advice (this is basic too for someone that is knowledgeable but I think you get what I mean)
You are dumb.
End of story.
You immediately jumped to wanting to use insulin pills after I mentioned insulin with not even the implication you intended to research that shit.
You can be academically inclined, but you are naive, and to me, that is dumb.
 
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You are dumb.
End of story.
You immediately jumped to wanting to use insulin pills after I mentioned insulin with not even the implication you intended to research that shit.
You can be academically inclined, but you are naive, and to me, that is dumb.
Yes, that was dumb and it stems from not having enough knowledge. If I knew about these topics I wouldn't ask about them or make foolish statements. Anyways, I appreciate you helping me out.
 
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@SlayerJonas has a good thread on the topic with AAS/growth factor use pertaining to facial masculinisation, and/or height.
It is not as simple of a concept as you think, but let's say it is, the majority of the bones in your face are almost entirely developed/the growth plates have already fused by your age.

You would need to use this stuff from a very young age (pre-teens or even as a toddler, and nobody is going to do that) to guarantee change but nobody is going to do that and we will never have a control group to reference to an experimental group unless an actual study occurs (rather than just blindly relying on the anecdotes of people who have info/products to shill you).

I mean, take a look at people like that sunshine faggot on TikTok who claimed to increase his mandibular width from hormone use at like 18 or some shit.
You can see that magically from one post to the next, his brows were threaded, his mandible is wider (more so than his bizygomatic width, so it looks retarded too).
Now, be a logical human without any sort of bias here and tell me you genuinely believe that somebody like that (the type of guy to perpetuate these ideas) is not actually just getting filler after going to a medspa, further implied by his brows changing.
Assume everybody except those who do not benefit from giving information are lying to you.
It doesn't benefit me to tell you this does/doesn't work, so you can safely discern that though I could be wrong (I'm not), I am at the very least, telling the truth.
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A post from 9-1-2026 and 16-11-2025 from this guy btw.
JFL at poor larps like this that profit from lying to children because they have no talent.
And he is actually 20.
 
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