i NEED mse but am AFRAID of DESCENSION

[DonaldJTrump]

PLEASE HELP!

already had a blackpilled bimax with lots of advancement, ccw, genio, but still wake up tired. im desperate and already tried everything including every type of nasal spray, septoplasty, antihistamine, sleeping pills etc.

would rather not live life with a CPAP (which i dont even think will work because the issue is my nose/nasal airways being too narrow/clogged), i believe MSE/MARPE or FME (better version of MSE) is the solution.

the only issue is, i hear that it (specifically MSE or most MARPEs) tend to very often descend people. what should i do? if i do get it, (I will probably get FME) how much MM at most should i expand?

i want to live a good life filled with energy, no longer being sleepy, distracted, and low energy, but i also know looks are law and i value my face card (which is above average, would want to rope if i truly "lost" my looks somehow unless its via natural aging lol) a lot.

 

[Eno]

how do u know this tiredness is breathing related

 

[DonaldJTrump]

how do u know this tiredness is breathing related

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

 

[moltisantichincel]

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

 

[monk231]

Marpe will descend you it just make you look like a frog

 

[kingofkings]

Do you have a narrow pallete?

The descension is through either:

- asymmetry
- bigger nose
- balloon face

FME and careful monitoring minimizes the asymmetry risk. Bigger nose might not be that bad depending on how much you expand and how big your nose currently is. Balloon face is unlikely if your lower facial third is well developed and if you don't expand too much.

Don't forget you can stop expanding when you want. If you expand 4mm and get a nice improvement in breathing you can simply stop there.

Doing it after bimax is less than ideal though. At some point i'm going to get an FME installed, probably early next year, if you haven't got it done by then I'll let you know how it does.

 

[ranger150]

I'm in the same situation. DM me

 

[DonaldJTrump]

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

 

[moltisantichincel]

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i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

would consult with Kasey li, he’s not a ortho nor is he black pilled in any means, but he’ll provide you fme if you just say you have trouble breathing

 

[william.]

Do you have a narrow pallete?

The descension is through either:

- asymmetry
- bigger nose
- balloon face

FME and careful monitoring minimizes the asymmetry risk. Bigger nose might not be that bad depending on how much you expand and how big your nose currently is. Balloon face is unlikely if your lower facial third is well developed and if you don't expand too much.

Don't forget you can stop expanding when you want. If you expand 4mm and get a nice improvement in breathing you can simply stop there.

Doing it after bimax is less than ideal though. At some point i'm going to get an FME installed, probably early next year, if you haven't got it done by then I'll let you know how it does.

fme cost where u getting it?

 

[lurking truecel]

i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

I mean do you wake up with sore throat ? Getting expansion and having braces for years in worst case afterwards just isnt it. Maybe laser some turbinates, all the mse hype and narrow pallets etc is overdone. Its true for many people but for some reason the people who does it often are just hypochondrial idiots. Do a cbct scan and see your septum snd measure the nasal aperture. If its less then 22mm you might have a problem.

 

[lurking truecel]

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

All this mse scam is going around the us is a eazy payout for surgeons/orthos. Often turbinates just expands equally as much as the expansion. Unless its servere and nasal aperture is less then 22, then its almost never worth. Its like 2 years in ortho + expansions face. Crazy work for some skeletal relapse and turbinates expanding. And also risking a bite fuck up, big wide nose

 

[moltisantichincel]

All this mse scam is going around the us is a eazy payout for surgeons/orthos. Often turbinates just expands equally as much as the expansion. Unless its servere and nasal aperture is less then 22, then its almost never worth. Its like 2 years in ortho + expansions face. Crazy work for some skeletal relapse and turbinates expanding. And also risking a bite fuck up, big wide nose

Yeah true, your honestly better off doing a multi segment lefort 1 because if you need mse chances are your whole face is recessed and you already need bimax, I could see lateral expansion being useful for syndrom tier plates but if your going to expand so much your better off going with fme where your certain that it won’t cause any assymetey