i NEED mse but am AFRAID of DESCENSION

[DonaldJTrump]

PLEASE HELP!

already had a blackpilled bimax with lots of advancement, ccw, genio, but still wake up tired. im desperate and already tried everything including every type of nasal spray, septoplasty, antihistamine, sleeping pills etc.

would rather not live life with a CPAP (which i dont even think will work because the issue is my nose/nasal airways being too narrow/clogged), i believe MSE/MARPE or FME (better version of MSE) is the solution.

the only issue is, i hear that it (specifically MSE or most MARPEs) tend to very often descend people. what should i do? if i do get it, (I will probably get FME) how much MM at most should i expand?

i want to live a good life filled with energy, no longer being sleepy, distracted, and low energy, but i also know looks are law and i value my face card (which is above average, would want to rope if i truly "lost" my looks somehow unless its via natural aging lol) a lot.

 

[Eno]

how do u know this tiredness is breathing related

 

[DonaldJTrump]

how do u know this tiredness is breathing related

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

 

[moltisantichincel]

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

 

[monk231]

Marpe will descend you it just make you look like a frog

 

[kingofkings]

Do you have a narrow pallete?

The descension is through either:

- asymmetry
- bigger nose
- balloon face

FME and careful monitoring minimizes the asymmetry risk. Bigger nose might not be that bad depending on how much you expand and how big your nose currently is. Balloon face is unlikely if your lower facial third is well developed and if you don't expand too much.

Don't forget you can stop expanding when you want. If you expand 4mm and get a nice improvement in breathing you can simply stop there.

Doing it after bimax is less than ideal though. At some point i'm going to get an FME installed, probably early next year, if you haven't got it done by then I'll let you know how it does.

 

[ranger150]

I'm in the same situation. DM me

 

[DonaldJTrump]

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

 

[moltisantichincel]

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i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

would consult with Kasey li, he’s not a ortho nor is he black pilled in any means, but he’ll provide you fme if you just say you have trouble breathing

 

[william.]

Do you have a narrow pallete?

The descension is through either:

- asymmetry
- bigger nose
- balloon face

FME and careful monitoring minimizes the asymmetry risk. Bigger nose might not be that bad depending on how much you expand and how big your nose currently is. Balloon face is unlikely if your lower facial third is well developed and if you don't expand too much.

Don't forget you can stop expanding when you want. If you expand 4mm and get a nice improvement in breathing you can simply stop there.

Doing it after bimax is less than ideal though. At some point i'm going to get an FME installed, probably early next year, if you haven't got it done by then I'll let you know how it does.

fme cost where u getting it?

 

[lurking truecel]

i def have allergies and have done an allergy test before. i take anti allergy nasal spray every night but still sleep poorly. maybe anti allergy shots would fully fix this though? i think FME may be needed for me but im not totally sure.

I mean do you wake up with sore throat ? Getting expansion and having braces for years in worst case afterwards just isnt it. Maybe laser some turbinates, all the mse hype and narrow pallets etc is overdone. Its true for many people but for some reason the people who does it often are just hypochondrial idiots. Do a cbct scan and see your septum snd measure the nasal aperture. If its less then 22mm you might have a problem.

 

[lurking truecel]

if you can't breathe though your nose do a allergy test see if your turbinates are swollen because of allergies, if not then I don't even think you could expand after a lefort 1, Im not a ortho but Im not exactly sure that that's possible. as for it being a looksmin, just don't expand rapidly and don't do a crazy expansion, you shouldn't ever go past 7mm and you should only twist once a week (that's according to the ting protocol).

All this mse scam is going around the us is a eazy payout for surgeons/orthos. Often turbinates just expands equally as much as the expansion. Unless its servere and nasal aperture is less then 22, then its almost never worth. Its like 2 years in ortho + expansions face. Crazy work for some skeletal relapse and turbinates expanding. And also risking a bite fuck up, big wide nose

 

[moltisantichincel]

All this mse scam is going around the us is a eazy payout for surgeons/orthos. Often turbinates just expands equally as much as the expansion. Unless its servere and nasal aperture is less then 22, then its almost never worth. Its like 2 years in ortho + expansions face. Crazy work for some skeletal relapse and turbinates expanding. And also risking a bite fuck up, big wide nose

Yeah true, your honestly better off doing a multi segment lefort 1 because if you need mse chances are your whole face is recessed and you already need bimax, I could see lateral expansion being useful for syndrom tier plates but if your going to expand so much your better off going with fme where your certain that it won’t cause any assymetey

 

[lurking truecel]

Yeah true, your honestly better off doing a multi segment lefort 1 because if you need mse chances are your whole face is recessed and you already need bimax, I could see lateral expansion being useful for syndrom tier plates but if your going to expand so much your better off going with fme where your certain that it won’t cause any assymetey

Yea i mean sure, but segmental doesnt really do anything unless fixing bite and it makes bimax surgery a little bit more complicated. But yea fme can be beneficial if extreme cases ofc

 

[clashroyaleking]

PLEASE HELP!

already had a blackpilled bimax with lots of advancement, ccw, genio, but still wake up tired. im desperate and already tried everything including every type of nasal spray, septoplasty, antihistamine, sleeping pills etc.

would rather not live life with a CPAP (which i dont even think will work because the issue is my nose/nasal airways being too narrow/clogged), i believe MSE/MARPE or FME (better version of MSE) is the solution.

the only issue is, i hear that it (specifically MSE or most MARPEs) tend to very often descend people. what should i do? if i do get it, (I will probably get FME) how much MM at most should i expand?

i want to live a good life filled with energy, no longer being sleepy, distracted, and low energy, but i also know looks are law and i value my face card (which is above average, would want to rope if i truly "lost" my looks somehow unless its via natural aging lol) a lot.

I belive it wont descend you. I think alot of people think your maxilla will grow laterally but then also collapse in the middle making it sludgy looking. But if you have the right neck and tounge posture during MSE the maxilla will grow wider and forward since the sutures become loose and easier to change. If you dont belive that then i suggest you invest in facemask along with the MSE. So it pulls your maxilla forwards at the same time

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I mean do you wake up with sore throat ? Getting expansion and having braces for years in worst case afterwards just isnt it. Maybe laser some turbinates, all the mse hype and narrow pallets etc is overdone. Its true for many people but for some reason the people who does it often are just hypochondrial idiots. Do a cbct scan and see your septum snd measure the nasal aperture. If its less then 22mm you might have a problem.

Sore throat? Idk i dont think so, maybe after i had a lot of alcohol the last night lmao. Turbinate reduction is very risky tho, u can get ENS and often they regrow.

All this mse scam is going around the us is a eazy payout for surgeons/orthos. Often turbinates just expands equally as much as the expansion. Unless its servere and nasal aperture is less then 22, then its almost never worth. Its like 2 years in ortho + expansions face. Crazy work for some skeletal relapse and turbinates expanding. And also risking a bite fuck up, big wide nose

expansion face? As in the common, descended sort of balloon face that expansion patients get?

 

[lurking truecel]

Sore throat? Idk i dont think so, maybe after i had a lot of alcohol the last night lmao. Turbinate reduction is very risky tho, u can get ENS and often they regrow.

expansion face? As in the common, descended sort of balloon face that expansion patients get?

Exansion phase i mean, and yea tuebinate reduction might be risky but ENS is reddit syndrome that most surgeons agree doesnt exsist.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Exansion phase i mean, and yea tuebinate reduction might be risky but ENS is reddit syndrome that most surgeons agree doesnt exsist.

Cope, ens is real people have killed themselves over it.

 

[lurking truecel]

Cope, ens is real people have killed themselves over it.

Show studies on it ?

 

[Whirr22222]

MSE is such overhyped dogshit, barely anyone needs it and it doesnt really benefit you in the way you think it will, considering the insane price tag on it

 

[Naris030]

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

You should get a cpap machine. If you can get a bipap it is better for UARS.

Just get it for now , it will improve your life quality a lot.

 

[HarmonyHunter]

Wtf else is it related to? I wake up tired every morning. Im skinny. I am a clear case of uars. I did a sleep study recently and it said i had sleep apnea..

iron deficency or other nutrients

 

[HarmonyHunter]

MSE is such overhyped dogshit, barely anyone needs it and it doesnt really benefit you in the way you think it will, considering the insane price tag on it

a lot of the population needs it fag

 

[Whirr22222]

a lot of the population needs it fag

A lot of the population needs jaw surgery not MSE.

 

[HarmonyHunter]

A lot of the population needs jaw surgery not MSE.

still a lot of the population need mse
Can people not have a narrow pallete without being recessed?

 

[Whirr22222]

still a lot of the population need mse
Can people not have a narrow pallete without being recessed?

No, barely anyone actually has a pallete narrow enough to warrant it. Nearly everyone on earth has recessed jaws.

 

[HarmonyHunter]

Population Estimates

MSE candidates (skeletal transverse maxillary deficiency): ~5–20% of the general Orthagonic (jaw) surgery candidates: ~1–5% of the population.
Key Points

Transverse maxillary deficiency is fairly common, especially in orthodontic samples (up to ~30%), but many mild cases don’t need MSE.
Only a small fraction (~2–5%) of people have jaw discrepancies severe enough to require orthognathic surgery.
There’s overlap — some people needing jaw surgery also have transverse issues.
Prevalence varies by age, region, and ethnicity (e.g., Class III more common in East/Southeast Asia).
Diagnosis requires clinical and imaging evaluation; these are population-level estimates, not individual assessments.

In short: Around 1 in 5–10 people may benefit from MSE-type expansion, while 1 - 5 out of every 100 people would likely benefit from jaw (orthognathic) surgery.

 

[HarmonyHunter]

pallete narrow

 

[DonaldJTrump]

You should get a cpap machine. If you can get a bipap it is better for UARS.

Just get it for now , it will improve your life quality a lot.

should i try bipap before i get mse?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

Population Estimates

MSE candidates (skeletal transverse maxillary deficiency): ~5–20% of the general Orthagonic (jaw) surgery candidates: ~1–5% of the population.
Key Points

Transverse maxillary deficiency is fairly common, especially in orthodontic samples (up to ~30%), but many mild cases don’t need MSE.
Only a small fraction (~2–5%) of people have jaw discrepancies severe enough to require orthognathic surgery.
There’s overlap — some people needing jaw surgery also have transverse issues.
Prevalence varies by age, region, and ethnicity (e.g., Class III more common in East/Southeast Asia).
Diagnosis requires clinical and imaging evaluation; these are population-level estimates, not individual assessments.

In short: Around 1 in 5–10 people may benefit from MSE-type expansion, while 1 - 5 out of every 100 people would likely benefit from jaw (orthognathic) surgery.

A lot of the population needs jaw surgery not MSE.

what determines if someone needs MSE? there must be a palate width requirement.

 

[HarmonyHunter]

what determines if someone needs MSE? there must be a palate width requirement.

can vary depending on your orthos opinion.
@Whirr22222 anything to say?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

can vary depending on your orthos opinion.
@Whirr22222 anything to say?

Is ur pfp female clav