i think everyone has inward gonians

[oxymoron]

When we think of outward gonians, we often reference faces like Brad Pitt or Matt Bomer, but I’m starting to believe this has more to do with masseter insertions and the mandibular base rather than just the bone itself. What may seem like the bone sticking out is actually the masseter muscles protruding. This makes me reconsider the idea of an 'outward' mandible—it seems more likely that the mandible's width and masseter development are what create that structured, prominent look from the base of the jaw.

People who appear to have 'inward' gonians likely just have narrow jaws, which prevent their mandibles from being visible from the front, making them seem more inward. In reality, it's not that their gonians are positioned inward, but rather that their overall jaw width is too small to display prominence. A wide mandible combined with large, well-developed masseters is what truly creates that strong outward jaw appearance.

Additionally, factors like individual bone structure variation, genetic differences in masseter insertion points, and overall skull shape also play a role. Some people may have high or low masseter insertions, which can affect how prominent their jaw appears. Others may have a naturally wider or more compact skull, influencing how much the mandible contributes to their overall facial structure. While bone width is important, soft tissue development and genetics are just as crucial in determining whether someone has an 'outward' or 'inward'-looking jawline.

was scrolling through tiktok and it further proved my point take a look at pitts jaw and notice how his jaw curve

looks roundish and curve into his neck, also explains y a lot of the times he use to look bloated after a bit of fat, ur jaw appearence depends on being lean, good masseter insertions( ur ramus) and how much fibers ur masseters has genetically

anyways im bored now thats my theory

 

[oxymoron]

this is my most high iq post i have ever made

 

[NoaA99]

You're mostly right - many user claiming a 13+ cm jawbone width are likely exaggerating or including soft tissue in their measurements. A significant portion of perceived bigonial width comes from muscle and soft tissue, so a purely bony measurement that large would look extreme in real life.
For bone-only measurements, the average typically falls around 9.5–10.5 cm, though some individuals definitely have more flared gonions, although the soft tissue makes more of a difference

 

[oxymoron]

You're mostly right - many user claiming a 13+ cm jawbone width are likely exaggerating or including soft tissue in their measurements. A significant portion of perceived bigonial width comes from muscle and soft tissue, so a purely bony measurement that large would look extreme in real life.
For bone-only measurements, the average typically falls around 9.5–10.5 cm, though some individuals definitely have more flared gonions, although the soft tissue makes more of a difference

thank you

 

[oxymoron]

You're mostly right - many user claiming a 13+ cm jawbone width are likely exaggerating or including soft tissue in their measurements. A significant portion of perceived bigonial width comes from muscle and soft tissue, so a purely bony measurement that large would look extreme in real life.
For bone-only measurements, the average typically falls around 9.5–10.5 cm, though some individuals definitely have more flared gonions, although the soft tissue makes more of a difference

i will go as far as saying people with inward gonians if they have a wide enough jawbone it can look flared

 

[copercel123]

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When we think of outward gonians, we often reference faces like Brad Pitt or Matt Bomer, but I’m starting to believe this has more to do with masseter insertions and the mandibular base rather than just the bone itself. What may seem like the bone sticking out is actually the masseter muscles protruding. This makes me reconsider the idea of an 'outward' mandible—it seems more likely that the mandible's width and masseter development are what create that structured, prominent look from the base of the jaw.

People who appear to have 'inward' gonians likely just have narrow jaws, which prevent their mandibles from being visible from the front, making them seem more inward. In reality, it's not that their gonians are positioned inward, but rather that their overall jaw width is too small to display prominence. A wide mandible combined with large, well-developed masseters is what truly creates that strong outward jaw appearance.

Additionally, factors like individual bone structure variation, genetic differences in masseter insertion points, and overall skull shape also play a role. Some people may have high or low masseter insertions, which can affect how prominent their jaw appears. Others may have a naturally wider or more compact skull, influencing how much the mandible contributes to their overall facial structure. While bone width is important, soft tissue development and genetics are just as crucial in determining whether someone has an 'outward' or 'inward'-looking jawline.

was scrolling through tiktok and it further proved my point take a look at pitts jaw and notice how his jaw curve
View attachment 3588805
looks roundish and curve into his neck, also explains y a lot of the times he use to look bloated after a bit of fat, ur jaw appearence depends on being lean, good masseter insertions( ur ramus) and how much fibers ur masseters has genetically

anyways im bored now thats my theory

Bruh next time don’t think please

 

[lakshayliftz]

does better maxilla development change your gonians?

 

[project chadlite]

obviously

 

[CelestialEmpire]

You're mostly right - many user claiming a 13+ cm jawbone width are likely exaggerating or including soft tissue in their measurements. A significant portion of perceived bigonial width comes from muscle and soft tissue, so a purely bony measurement that large would look extreme in real life.
For bone-only measurements, the average typically falls around 9.5–10.5 cm, though some individuals definitely have more flared gonions, although the soft tissue makes more of a difference

just measured mine and mine is like 13cm ish bonepressed (squishing to push aside masseters). with masseter clenched its like 13.5. shit thread

 

[NoaA99]

just measured mine and mine is like 13cm ish bonepressed (squishing to push aside masseters). with masseter clenched its like 13.5. shit thread

Your masseter don’t just add half a cm in total.
Have you ever seen a Jawbone ct?

But congratulations- 13cm is an anomaly or very rare. Probably blasted roids or hgh during development.

 

[CelestialEmpire]

Your masseter don’t just add half a cm in total.
Have you ever seen a Jawbone ct?

But congratulations- 13cm is an anomaly or very rare. Probably blasted roids or hgh during development.

you mean masseters add less or more than 0.5cm? cuz mine when flexed and measuring without pushing or squeezing them barely adds anything.

 

[NoaA99]

you mean masseters add less or more than 0.5cm? cuz mine when flexed and measuring without pushing or squeezing them barely adds anything.

It’s possible that your body fat is just extremely low, as soft tissue usually contributes significantly to bigonial measurements.

For example, around the zygomatic bones, soft tissue adds about 1-2cm on average. The Bigonial measurement you provided is closer to the average (skeletal) zygomatic bone measurement, which falls around 13-14cm.
As you can imagine, muscle adds significantly more volume around the jaw area. It is more like 2-3cm on average, with an average jaw breadth of about 12-13cm.

Anyways, did you roid to achieve that, or do you have a very large skull by chance?

 

[NoaA99]

you mean masseters add less or more than 0.5cm? cuz mine when flexed and measuring without pushing or squeezing them barely adds anything.

Here, it is pretty obvious

 

[CelestialEmpire]

It’s possible that your body fat is just extremely low, as soft tissue usually contributes significantly to bigonial measurements.

For example, around the zygomatic bones, soft tissue adds about 1-2cm on average. The Bigonial measurement you provided is closer to the average (skeletal) zygomatic bone measurement, which falls around 13-14cm.
As you can imagine, muscle adds significantly more volume around the jaw area. It is more like 2-3cm on average, with an average jaw breadth of about 12-13cm.

Anyways, did you roid to achieve that, or do you have a very large skull by chance?

no i didnt roid i just have wide lower third, but soft tissue barely adds anything, im lean too. if i press bone to bone its like 13cm, when i flex masseters and include masseters its like 13.5. i dont think soft tissue adds that much

 

[NoaA99]

no i didnt roid i just have wide lower third, but soft tissue barely adds anything, im lean too. if i press bone to bone its like 13cm, when i flex masseters and include masseters its like 13.5. i dont think soft tissue adds that much

Pretty strange, honestly. Most men have way more muscle tissue in that area. 0.25 cm per side is really minimal. I’m guessing you have a wide zygomatic width to help balance things out?

 

[kwfti]

You're mostly right - many user claiming a 13+ cm jawbone width are likely exaggerating or including soft tissue in their measurements. A significant portion of perceived bigonial width comes from muscle and soft tissue, so a purely bony measurement that large would look extreme in real life.
For bone-only measurements, the average typically falls around 9.5–10.5 cm, though some individuals definitely have more flared gonions, although the soft tissue makes more of a difference

i have about 10cm and my jaw looks very narrow, is that not inward gonions then? Maybe just because my maxilla is a lot wider?

 

[NoaA99]

i have about 10cm and my jaw looks very narrow, is that not inward gonions then? Maybe just because my maxilla is a lot wider?

If you're measuring at the bone, it's probably slightly lower - it's hard to get a perfectly accurate measurement from the outside.
But if it's around 10cm, that's a completely normal measurement in terms of bone structure. Actually right around the average.

If you have broad cheekbones and upper jaw, it will consequently appear narrower yes.

Almost no men has inward gonion, 80-90% have outward/ flared. To know for sure, you would need a scan.

 

[NoaA99]

i have about 10cm and my jaw looks very narrow, is that not inward gonions then? Maybe just because my maxilla is a lot wider?

Outward vs Inward

 

[LegendaryKennen]

almost everyone with "outward gonions" have square head shape

 

[kwfti]

Outward vs Inward

hmm i would say i look more like img.2
But i cant say for sure without a scan.

 

[oxymoron]

i think my jaw is inwards but it still appears outwards when u see frontal

 

[NoaA99]

View attachment 3636185i think my jaw is inwards but it still appears outwards when u see frontal

From the contour, it doesn't appear to be inwards, but also not heavily flared.
It always tends to look a bit less flared from below thoguh, as the ramus usually tilts slightly inward at the lower end. This inward motion occurs because it must connect to the cheekbones at some point, forming a smoother transition.
If it does not appear inwards from the front, it is unlikely to be the case.

 

[NoaA99]

hmm i would say i look more like img.2
But i cant say for sure without a scan.

Does it feel that way, if you touch it? Or is there a slightly bump to the outside? Touch from the outside

 

[oxymoron]

From the contour, it doesn't appear to be inwards, but also not heavily flared.
It always tends to look a bit less flared from below thoguh, as the ramus usually tilts slightly inward at the lower end. This inward motion occurs because it must connect to the cheekbones at some point, forming a smoother transition.
If it does not appear inwards from the front, it is unlikely to be the case.

damn i thought it was inwards lol surely is straight then or maybe outawrds

 

[kwfti]

Does it feel that way, if you touch it? Or is there a slightly bump to the outside? Touch from the outside

there is a little bump to the outside exactly on the corner with my ramus

 

[NoaA99]

damn i thought it was inwards lol surely is straight then or maybe outawrds

Generally, most men have outwards. Even many women do.

 

[NoaA99]

there is a little bump to the outside exactly on the corner with my ramus

Then they are outward

 

[kwfti]

Then they are outward

damn ig my maxilla is just wide ash then
wish it was a bit more forward tho

 

[NoaA99]

damn ig my maxilla is just wide ash then
wish it was a bit more forward tho

Probably- what’s your zygomatic breadth?

 

[kwfti]

Probably- what’s your zygomatic breadth?

hard to measure accurately but id say about 12cm maybe 11.8

 

[NoaA99]

hard to measure accurately but id say about 12cm maybe 11.8

What? That’s incredibly low- does your face appear very narrow, when compared to other men?
Given this, your jaw should be roughly a 1:1 relative to your zygomatic bones.

 

[kwfti]

What? That’s incredibly low- does your face appear very narrow, when compared to other men?
Given this, your jaw should be roughly a 1:1 relative to your zygomatic bones.

must have measured it wrong, i wouldnt say i have avery narrow face even though my fwhr is kinda low (tall face). I could send you a picture in PMs so you can see what i mean?

 

[zemult]

Outward vs Inward

it's kinda brutal i'm one of the 10-20% with inward lol

 

[Joshrc]

The bump in the corner of my ramus is inward

 

[NoaA99]

it's kinda brutal i'm one of the 10-20% with inward lol

I'm in the same boat, and I've seen a CT scan. It's probably tied to extremely low birth weight, early tooth loss, and a lifelong calcium/vitamin D3 deficiency in my case. Looks even more ridiculous with my class 3 occlusion.

My parents seriously messed up big time. My dad has the biggest jaw and the most square chin I've ever seen in person. We look like a complete different species, when together on a picture.

That's what happens when an entire generation of parents is completely clueless and brainwashed by mainstream media.

 

[diditeverbegin]

Your masseter don’t just add half a cm in total.
Have you ever seen a Jawbone ct?

But congratulations- 13cm is an anomaly or very rare. Probably blasted roids or hgh during development.

He's a complete larper don't listen to him. He's some chink pretending to be white.

 

[NoaA99]

He's a complete larger don't listen to him. He's some chink pretending to be white.

I honestly don’t even care. If someone chooses to lie, that’s their problem- not mine. At the end of the day, it doesn’t harm me, so I give them the benefit of the doubt