I was wrong I was wrong I was wrong!

[SayNoToRotting]

Turns out I made a terrible mistake by spreading false information about the nature of rapid and slow maxillary expansions.

Turns out that rapid maxillary expansion is actually better than slow, according to this study that I have just stumbled across:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5484271/
(2017)


Even more ashamed of my mistake am I, because I know exactly where the fuck I got the misinformation about the supposed superiority of slow maxillary expansion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatal_expansion#Rapid_Palatal_Expansion

Slow expansion techniques expands maxilla at a much slower rate compare to the rapid maxillary expansion technique. In slow expansion technique, a patient is ordered to turn the screw 4 times which amounts of 1mm per week. Patient is instructed to turn the jackscrew at the same rate for next 8–10 weeks to achieve the desired expansion. This slow rate of expansion allows skeletal and dental changes to happen in a 1:1 ratio. This means that equal amount of dental and skeletal expansion is achieved, compared to RME technique where mostly skeletal expansion is achieved initially.

Yes- I let a wikepedia excerpt fool me. An excerpt without a link to a study...

I thought i could trust it, I didn't question it at first.

This is the only scrap of information I got from wikepedia, I promise

@CopeAndRope @HighTierNormie @FatJattMofo

 

[The Worst Poster]

yeah

 

[CopeAndRope]

Turns out I made a terrible mistake by spreading false information about the nature of rapid and slow maxillary expansions.

Turns out that rapid maxillary expansion is actually better than slow, according to this study that I have just stumbled across:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5484271/
(2017)


Even more ashamed of my mistake am I, because I know exactly where the fuck I got the misinformation about the supposed superiority of slow maxillary expansion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatal_expansion#Rapid_Palatal_Expansion



Yes- I let a wikepedia excerpt fool me. An excerpt without a link to a study...

I thought i could trust it, I didn't question it at first.

This is the only scrap of information I got from wikepedia, I promise

@CopeAndRope @HighTierNormie @FatJattMofo

So, you're saying that a rapid expansion will have a greater effect on the surrounding bones?

 

[FatJattMofo]

wait a secon.d does this mean that hard mewing is better for widening the palate?
than "softer" mewing
than "softer" mewing

 

[SayNoToRotting]

wait a secon.d does this mean that hard mewing is better for widening the palate?

I think it's different here because you push from deep within the skull, actively on all the maxillary structures, and not passively like P expanders, which push on the teeth.

 

[FatJattMofo]

I think it's different here because you push from deep within the skull, and not the teeth.

where is mse placed then?

 

[SayNoToRotting]

where is mse placed then?

I mean if we are talking about raw mechanics then it's right between normal palatal expanders and mewing.

What I am dying to learn more about is chewing. Because from what I have heard in an orthodontic lecture on youtube (which has sadly been deleted now), and what is implied in this study (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b82c/636cf1eb600eff326f2d6c1cf3089315099a.pdf ), it actually helps to shape bone in the way we want to.

(There are many studies linked that directly discuss the issue, but so far I have been too much of a low attentionspancel, lazycel to read through all of them)

 

[FatJattMofo]

I mean if we are talknig about raw mechanics then it's right between normal palatal expanders and mewing.

What I am dying to learn more about is chewing. Because from what I have heard in an orthodontic lecture on youtube (which has sadly been deleted now), and what is implied in this study (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b82c/636cf1eb600eff326f2d6c1cf3089315099a.pdf
), it actually helps to shape bone in the way we want to.

how do you mean want to? do you mean the whole face or just the mandible ?

 

[Deleted member 685]

I believe it's understandable for blacks to be proud of their race but I think it's racist for whites to do so due to history

 

[FatJattMofo]

I believe it's understandable for blacks to be proud of their race but I think it's racist for whites to do so due to history

africans being proud of their races and whites in the united states fucked everything up. because everyone there doesnt know where they are from its not germanic and med its just white european and its not some fucking african country and the other its just black.

 

[SayNoToRotting]

how do you mean want to? do you mean the whole face or just the mandible ?

We're talking about the maxilla here but what I meant to say is that the way chewing shapes the maxilla harmonizes with our personal ideas of a good face.

 

[FatJattMofo]

We're talking about the maxilla here but what I meant to say is that the way chewing shapes the maxilla harmonizes with our personal ideas of a good face.

does this change the way we should all chew or is it still the same?

 

[SayNoToRotting]

does this change the way we should all chew or is it still the same?

the same.

 

[FatJattMofo]

the same.

I wonder though how its effects on maxilla compare to mewing. and if they are different

 

[HighTierNormie]

We're talking about the maxilla here but what I meant to say is that the way chewing shapes the maxilla harmonizes with our personal ideas of a good face.

i remember reading a lookism thread on chewing and the guys there claimed that hard chewing pressed their teeth into their gums and made their jaw slanted or something
how does chewing affect facial bones anyway?

 

[IWantToMax]

i remember reading a lookism thread on chewing and the guys there claimed that hard chewing pressed their teeth into their gums and made their jaw slanted or something
how does chewing affect facial bones anyway?

Slanted in which direction

 

[HighTierNormie]

Slanted in which direction

“Hard food, strong jaw: jawbone structure responds to forceful chewing”｜Tokyo Medical and Dental University, National University Corporation

www.tmd.ac.jp

nvm this study seems to show that the jaw bone can grow from the stress made by chewing
heres a better onehttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-40463-3
it seems IGF 1 is promoting bone growth than mk 677 might be better than k2

 

[IWantToMax]

“Hard food, strong jaw: jawbone structure responds to forceful chewing”｜Tokyo Medical and Dental University, National University Corporation

www.tmd.ac.jp

nvm this study seems to show that the jaw bone can grow from the stress made by chewing
heres a better onehttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-40463-3
it seems IGF 1 is promoting bone growth than mk 677 might be better than k2

Sounds good, I wonder to what degree it stimulates it though

 

[HighTierNormie]

it was a measurable change on mice after feeding them hard food and they claim it could be a future treatment for jaw deformities so probs worth it