I WILL DEBATE ANYONE ON RELIGION ON DISCORD (JESUS LOVES YOU)

LondonVillie said:
He’s a Baptist and so is way off the mark
Orthodox Christians and catholics are the only true Christians
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He said to me that he doesnt belong to any confession
 
Danish_Retard said:
You have read my position, but you don't respond to that, instead you try and scare me with hell.

Pascal's Wager is the argument that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. Why? Well, their argument is if God does actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas they stand to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).

There are several things wrong with this.

(1) The most notable is that you believe only ONE god exists. There are many, many religions and there have been many, many gods! Over the years man has worshiped thousands and thousands of different gods. If you believe in a god, to think "your god" is the "one and only true god" is very, very naive. If there is a god and you chose the wrong one, you're no better than an atheist who chooses no god at all. You're just as likely to be "angering God."

One of my favorite quotes: "How thoughtful of God to arrange matters so that wherever you happen to be born, the local religion always turns out to be the right one."

(2) Secondly, if there is no God, you DO lose something. The finite loss mentioned above is huge. You lost the ONE chance you had while on this planet to think for yourself. You lived your whole life, the one and only life you had, based upon a lie. If a Christian, for example, is wrong, they have lost EVERYTHING -- their entire belief system, their morals, and in the case of some, literally their entire life's work.

Religions require people to...

…donate money; participate in rituals; spend time in houses of worship; follow rules about what to eat, what to wear, what drugs to avoid, and who to have sex with; cut off ties with their gay children, suppress their sexuality. reject evolution, reject blood transfusions; refuse to consider interfaith marriage or interfaith friendship; memorize a long stretch of religious text and recite it in public at age thirteen; spend their weekends knocking on strangers' doors, pestering them to join the faith; bear as many children as they physically can; disown their children if they leave the faith; obey their husbands without question; not get tattoos, etc., etc., etc.

(3) Belief in God can actually bring harm. I'll give one example, but there are many. There are Christians in Nigeria who are killing their own children because they believe in God and their God said you shall not allow witches to live, and they believe their children are witches.

(4) Many people believe there are other possibilities besides just Heaven and Hell, such as progression to a better plane or just hanging around as ghosts or reincarnation. Neither of those require the existence of a god to be possibilities.

(5) Believing in the wrong God has additional problems. Most religions assure you that blasphemers will be more severely punished than un-believers. Again, your chances of picking the "right god," based upon the number of gods to choose from, is very small.

(6) If the Christian god is indeed omnipotent, He will know who are "true believers" and who worships him only to be on the "safe side."

Pascal's Wager assumes the stakes of the bet are zero. As you can see above, the stakes are far from zero.

Question: What is the fate of the unlearned? What happens to people who have not encountered the specific religion in which Hell is an issue? What happened to the billions of people who died long before Christ was supposedly born? What happens to the infants and children and young adults who have not learned about religion yet at all?

It is important to note that Pascal's Wager isn't an argument for why God exists and is really real. Pascal's Wager is, in fact, 100% disconnected from the question of whether God exists. Pascal's Wager offers no evidence of God's existence. What it is, is misdirection. Distraction. It's a way of drawing attention away from how crummy the arguments for God's existence really are.
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Completely agree with you on everything, but the reason a minority of people believe in religion is;

1. Their life experience and how god saved them from Satan's path, example; werty

2. The morals of the books to live a better life, some people don't wanna go to degeneracy (just look at how most of the world is now without religion, the degenarcy jfl), with the belief of god they just live a better life, the blackpill won't affect them or anything, they're just going to workout, better their life, & follow the good path, my english is bad so yeah
 
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Patient A said:
JFL at believing God is a he that thinks like a person.
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Why wouldn’t that be possible? Not denying your argument but questioning it.

If I recall correctly, did God not create man in his own image? This does not necessarily mean that God is in human form, but rather, that humans are in the image of God in their moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature.
So why would God be incapable of thinking like a person?

tbh I don’t even know why I’m having a religious discussion ngl
 
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Alexanderr said:
Incredibly bold claim. You haven’t seen all evidence other religions have provided to support their beliefs, so how did you come to an assertion like that?

Again, can you prove that or is this belief just another leap of faith?

There’s about 10,000 religions on earth, if some of those have figures in them that rose from the dead, does that suddenly mean their religions holds more validity than those of others?
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Sir its a fact, the evidence is overwhelming. Virtually every historian believes that Jesus walked the Earth and they get that from the same place Christians do, but the historians read one word and deny the other, even though their evidence is in the same book.

Abrahamic has most, so Christ vs Allah basically (excluding Judaism)
Mohammed's account was written by people who never saw him (take this with a grain of salt)

We have Mohammed's bones, we have Krishnas bones but we dont have Jesus'. Why? Because He rose from the dead
I base my claims on evidence Sir
 
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Alexanderr said:
Why wouldn’t that be possible? Not denying your argument but questioning it.

If I recall correctly, did God not create man in his own image? This does not necessarily mean that God is in human form, but rather, that humans are in the image of God in their moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature.
So why would God be incapable of thinking like a person?

tbh I don’t even know why I’m having a religious discussion ngl
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The Bible states God thinks differently than humans (Man judges on appearance while God judges the inside, etc)
 
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i'm catholic so you probably won't like me jfl
 
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Alexanderr said:
Why wouldn’t that be possible? Not denying your argument but questioning it.

If I recall correctly, did God not create man in his own image? This does not necessarily mean that God is in human form, but rather, that humans are in the image of God in their moral, spiritual, and intellectual nature.
So why would God be incapable of thinking like a person?

tbh I don’t even know why I’m having a religious discussion ngl
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Why would God think like a person, that’s what people do?
 
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Alexanderr said:
Incredibly bold claim. You haven’t seen all evidence other religions have provided to support their beliefs, so how did you come to an assertion like that?

Again, can you prove that or is this belief just another leap of faith?

There’s about 10,000 religions on earth, if some of those have figures in them that rose from the dead, does that suddenly mean their religions holds more validity than those of others?
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Enfant terrible said:
Does your church community take the bibel literally ?
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The Bible says we have to separate the Word of God correctly
Jesus spoke in parables (analogies, metaphors) so we can't take that literally
 
Patient A said:
Ok

But you don’t have any idea what the word god means. And frankly I don’t care what you think god is or what you have been preached to as to what it is
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well yeah god's 'true' form is incomprehensible. nobody really knows.

but we do have the concepts of the trinity I suppose and we can see some of the ways god revealed himself to humans, like moses for example.
 
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werty1457 said:
The Bible says we have to separate the Word of God correctly
Jesus spoke in parables (analogies, metaphors) so we can't take that literally
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So there is a bible exegesis .
So you need someone who interprets the text.
So you need a teacher.
 
Enfant terrible said:
So there is a bible exegesis .
So you need someone who interprets the text.
So you need a teacher.
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You don't need a human being to read scripture for you.
 
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tbh also what I see is funny is this:

a lot of people don't believe in god here, but have many of the same moral teachings and values that are likened to Christianity, or even islam and other religions.

especially anyone who considers themselves conservatives. you aren't really straying that far from us, in one sense I suppose.
 
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werty1457 said:
You don't need a human being to read scripture for you.
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No but to understand it correctly
if not there would be no consensus on how to understand it.
 
oatmeal said:
tbh also what I see is funny is this:

a lot of people don't believe in god here, but have many of the same moral teachings and values that are likened to Christianity, or even islam and other religions.

especially anyone who considers themselves conservatives. you aren't really straying that far from us, in one sense I suppose.
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These hypocrites call the Bible stupid and just a book, yet they base their morality on the Book of Law
 
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werty1457 said:
Sir its a fact, the evidence is overwhelming.
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You claim with certainty Christianity has the most evidence but are simultaneously ignorant of not only the existence of most other religions but also whatever evidence they‘ve brought forth.
werty1457 said:
Abrahamic has most
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Source?
werty1457 said:
We have Mohammed's bones, we have Krishnas bones but we dont have Jesus'. Why? Because He rose from the dead
I base my claims on evidence Sir
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How does not finding the bones of a religious figure make it more valid? Just because the bones haven’t been found doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Aside from that, you mentioned two other religions when there‘s 10,000.
 
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Enfant terrible said:
No but to understand it correctly
if not there would be no consensus on how to understand it.
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Still no, you pray to God to possess you with the Holy Spirit before you read the Bible so you can interpret it correctly
 
Patient A said:
Why would God think like a person, that’s what people do?
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If God created man in his own image. Is it that weird to think we inhereted the trait from God?
 
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Alexanderr said:
You claim with certainty Christianity has the most evidence but are simultaneously ignorant of not only the existence of most other religions but also whatever evidence they‘ve brought forth.

Source?

How does not finding the bones of a religious figure make it more valid? Just because the bones haven’t been found doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Aside from that, you mentioned two other religions when there‘s 10,000.
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? Christianity has the most evidence, both on paper and other. Look up "miracles in Jesus name" on Youtube. No miracles in the name of Allah

I advise everyone to do your own research

Because it backs up the claim. Yes but the overwhelming majority of those religions are false and not even taken seriously.
 
werty1457 said:
Still no, you pray to God to possess you with the Holy Spirit before you read the Bible so you can interpret it correctly
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But different people can come to completely different conclusions when reading a paragraph.
There different understandings of the bible.
How do you explain this ?
You have preacher right
what if he would disagree with your interpretation would you still thing yours is the truth ?
dont you talk abou this in your community
 
Enfant terrible said:
But different people can come to completely different conclusions when reading a paragraph.
There different understandings of the bible.
How do you explain this ?
You have preacher right
what if he would disagree with your interpretation would you still thing yours is the truth ?
dont you talk abou this in your community
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No, the Bible states one viewpoint.
 
werty1457 said:
Do that religion have the evidence to support it like Christianity does? No.
The Bible has more evidence than any other religion and any other book
Jesus rose from the dead, Mohammed died, Krishna died
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no he didnt jfl
 
werty1457 said:
Sir its a fact, the evidence is overwhelming. Virtually every historian believes that Jesus walked the Earth and they get that from the same place Christians do, but the historians read one word and deny the other, even though their evidence is in the same book.

Abrahamic has most, so Christ vs Allah basically (excluding Judaism)
Mohammed's account was written by people who never saw him (take this with a grain of salt)

We have Mohammed's bones, we have Krishnas bones but we dont have Jesus'. Why? Because He rose from the dead
I base my claims on evidence Sir
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no you dont
 
werty1457 said:
No miracles in the name of Allah

I advise everyone to do your own research

Yes but the overwhelming majority of those religions are false and not even taken seriously.
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It took me but a simple YouTube search to prove you wrong.
You make positive claims and are unable to back them up, alright.
They’re false because you assume they’re false, you’re unaware of what most of them are even about.
 
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Alexanderr said:
It took me but a simple YouTube search to prove you wrong.
You make positive claims and are unable to back them up, alright.
They’re false because you assume they’re false, you’re unaware of what most of them are even about.
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What miracles were stated? Jesus did 47 alone
Miracles of healing are only in the Bible, not in the Koran
Historical miracles are in both let me rephrase excuse me
 
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werty1457 said:
What miracles were stated? Jesus did 47 alone
Miracles of healing are only in the Bible, not in the Koran
Historical miracles are in both let me rephrase excuse me
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Why are you so blatantly disregarding the existence of thousands of other religions and acting as if they’re of no significance? Is it because they’re not as notorious?
 
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Alexanderr said:
Why are you so blatantly disregarding the existence of thousands of other religions and acting as if they’re of no significance? Is it because they’re not as notorious?
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No its because they
1. Are extremely pagan (human sacrifices, advocating for murder etc)
2. Have no evidence to support them (Are solely based on philosophy and are man made, like Greece and Rome)
 
werty1457 said:
No, the Bible states one viewpoint.
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here different formulas to use for intrepretation
Theological Group of Principles:


  • The Historical-grammatical principle based on historical, socio-political, geographical, cultural and linguistic / grammatical context
  • Alternate, mutually-exclusive, models of history:
    • The Dispensational model or The Chronometrical Principle: "During different periods of time, God has chosen to deal in a particular way with man in respect to sin and man's responsibility."
    • The Covenantal model: "We differentiate between the various contracts that God has made with his people; specifically their provisions, their parties and their purposes."
    • The New-Covenantal model: The Old Testament Laws have been fulfilled and abrogated or cancelled with Christ's death, and replaced with the Law of Christ of the New Covenant, although many of the Old Covenant laws are reinstituted under the New Covenant.
  • The Ethnic Division Principle: "The word of truth is rightly divided in relation to the three classes which it treats, i.e. Jews, Gentiles and the Church."
  • The Breach Principle: Interpretation of a certain verse or passage in Scripture is aided by a consideration of certain breaches, either breaches of promise or breaches of time.
  • The Christo-Centric Principle: "The mind of deity is eternally centered in Christ. All angelic thought and ministry are centered in Christ. All Satanic hatred and subtlety are centered at Christ. All human hopes are, and human occupations should be, centered in Christ. The whole material universe in creation is centered in Christ. The entire written word is centered in Christ."
  • The Moral Principle
  • The Discriminational Principle: "We should divide the word of truth so as to make a distinction where God makes a difference."
  • The Predictive Principle
  • The Application Principle: "An application of truth may be made only after the correct interpretation has been made"
  • The Principle of Human Willingness in Illumination
  • The Context Principle: "God gives light upon a subject through either near or remote passages bearing upon the same subject."

Sub-divided Context/Mention Principles:


  • The First Mention Principle: "God indicates in the first mention of a subject the truth with which that subject stands connected in the mind of God."
  • The Progressive Mention Principle: "God makes the revelation of any given truth increasingly clear as the word proceeds to its consummation."
  • The Comparative Mention Principle
  • The Full Mention Principle or The Complete Mention Principle: "God declares his full mind upon any subject vital to our spiritual life."
  • The Agreement Principle: "The truthfulness and faithfulness of God become the guarantee that he will not set forth any passage in his word that contradicts any other passage."
  • The Direct Statement Principle: "God says what he means and means what he says."
  • The Gap Principle: "God, in the Jewish Scriptures, ignores certain periods of time, leaping over them without comment."
  • The Threefold Principle: "The word of God sets forth the truths of salvation in a three-fold way: past - justification; present - sanctification/transformation; future - glorification/consummation."
  • The Repetition Principle: "God repeats some truth or subject already given, generally with the addition of details not before given."
  • The Synthetic Principle
  • The Principle of Illustrative Mention
  • The Double Reference Principle

Figures of Speech Group of Principles:


  • The Numerical Principle
  • The Symbolic Principle
  • The Typical Principle: "Certain people, events, objects and rituals found in the Old Testament may serve as object lessons and pictures by which God teaches us of his grace and saving power."
  • The Parabolic Principle
  • The Allegorical Principle
this shows the diversity i am talking about
 
werty1457 said:
No its because they
1. Are extremely pagan (human sacrifices, advocating for murder etc)
2. Have no evidence to support them (Are solely based on philosophy and are man made, like Greece and Rome)
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And you know this how? If one were to ask you to name a thousand of them, you’d be unable to. So, you tell me how you know they’re all pagan and have no evidence to bring forth?
 
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No eternal salvation for my hair
 
Sinners in this thread wondering why nothing ever goes their way

Because you have turned away from the truth
 
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Alexanderr said:
And you know this how? If one were to ask you to name a thousand of them, you’d be unable to. So, you tell me how you know they’re all pagan and have no evidence to bring forth?
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Sir cmon, we both know the majority of those religions are based on false claims and are practiced by a very small group, or not practised at all.
 
wagbox said:
Sinners in this thread wondering why nothing ever goes their way

Because you have turned away from the truth
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Amen Jesus said if you drink from My cup you will never be thirsty
 
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Religions isnt proper investigated to confirm if it's TRUE or not. Alot of stuff written in the bible is confirmed by other books written by people in that time who were pro that religion. The negative parts written in that time is considered heresy, unless it can support the religion to pinpoint the "evil" and devil part.
Because of propaganda alot of the negative data is lost. Also if you go to the middle east to investigate something AGAINST religion your research will be stopped. So we will never find the true answers. The same applies to the other mainstream religions.
 
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