I will document my HGH experience (LAB RAT)

[Asoka]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

 

[Sphenoidmax]

planning on adding a AI?

 

[Asoka]

Planing on adding a AI?

Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD

 

[Lemur]

planning on adding a AI?

ai makes you retarded

 

[Lemur]

mirin effort bhai

 

[Asoka]

ai makes you retarded

makes sense since you need estrogen to develop your brain, but kids who took high doses AI in studies during puberty and no significant effect on IQ

So I'm taking the risk + even if it does make me retarded I would rather be a 6'0 idiot then a 5'8 neek

 

[iwannasleeponurlap]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

bookmarked, yes i want updates

 

[Lemur]

makes sense since you need estrogen to develop your brain, but kids who took high doses AI in studies during puberty and no significant effect on IQ

So I'm taking the risk + even if it does make me retarded I would rather be a 6'0 idiot then a 5'8 neek

doesnt it just delay ur development? So eventually u reach the same point i think- im not an expert or anything tho

 

[Taylors_Lil_Ethnic]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

Chad didnt need to do allat but, aim for 6'3. You will fail but atleast you'll land around 6'1

 

[Asoka]

doesnt it just delay ur development? So eventually u reach the same point i think- im not an expert or anything tho

AI will just extend my growth window (estrogen causes plates to close) and HGH will speed up the process

So theoretically I will grow for longer period with a faster growth rate

bookmarked, yes i want updates

will update you every week, starting protocol next week

 

[Asoka]

Chad didnt need to do allat but, aim for 6'3. You will fail but atleast you'll land around 6'1

Im aiming as high as I can, not going to expect much though. I would still be happy with 5'10

 

[primal_shitmuncher]

Good luck bhai, respect the dedication .

I'd like to be updated.

 

[Asoka]

Good luck bhai, respect the dedication .

I'd like to be updated.

will @ you when I get a week in

 

[latino_]

tag md

 

[cortisolman2]

planning on adding a AI?

with stack wont help you its all genetics ofc you would grow taller but the geneticsset the baseline for example if you genetics only allow you to grow to 5'9 with stack you could expect growing to 5'10 to 11 max while expecting to grow to 6'5 just isnt possible it isnt realistic hgh and ai only gives around 2 to 3 inches hope this helps keep us updated

 

[Asoka]

with stack wont help you its all genetics ofc you would grow taller but the geneticsset the baseline for example if you genetics only allow you to grow to 5'9 with stack you could expect growing to 5'10 to 11 max while expecting to grow to 6'5 just isnt possible it isnt realistic hgh and ai only gives around 2 to 3 inches hope this helps keep us updated

I'm not expecting huge ofc just going off Geminis prediction.

My genetic potential is probably 5'9-5'10 without anything so HGH could get me to 6'0 if I'm lucky.

Will keep you updated

 

[sherry12]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

wont hit 6ft, i ran 8iu, anavar, test, tren etc all at 16 with a slightly delayed bone age and I saw little height growth

 

[Asoka]

wont hit 6ft, i ran 8iu, anavar, test, tren etc all at 16 with a slightly delayed bone age and I saw little height growth

Different for everybody

running any anabolic substances is a stupid idea as well when trying to get taller

 

[Kojo]

planning on adding a AI?

He said anastrozole buddy

 

[Kojo]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

Tag + upd me boyo running hgh soon too

 

[Zagro]

ai makes you retarded

You're already retarded if you believe that

 

[Aloof]

Wish I hopped on at your age

Mirin good luck

 

[Zagro]

AI will just extend my growth window (estrogen causes plates to close) and HGH will speed up the process

So theoretically I will grow for longer period with a faster growth rate

will update you every week, starting protocol next week

You wont grow for a longer period estrogen does irreversible damage to plates, you can only prevent further damage by controlling estrogen

makes sense since you need estrogen to develop your brain, but kids who took high doses AI in studies during puberty and no significant effect on IQ

So I'm taking the risk + even if it does make me retarded I would rather be a 6'0 idiot then a 5'8 neek

You're running 0.25mg anas EOD bro your E2 will barely take a hit

 

[BeatleJuiceFanBoy10]

Maybe calcium and phosphorus supplement aswell. Since you are at at a very high risk of getting a fracture like this.

 

[Vass]

Why 6 days a week? It isn't more safe nor is it more effective, the only reason someone would do this is costs (and if that is a problem just take it daily for less days).

Cost is the biggest problem, but if it's not for you then you ideally should take higher. 6 ius for you is 0.033mg/kg/day which is the lower end of the therapeutic range for children. Children have taken 0.1mg/kg/day in studies btw

 

[milkshake_addict]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

thanks tag me in the updates sir

 

[Lemur]

You're already retarded if you believe that

You’re retarded if u don’t understand how the brain requires E2 to function. Yes once u hop off ai the brain fog goes away but for the time being it makes u retarded

 

[Zagro]

You’re retarded if u don’t understand how the brain requires E2 to function. Yes once u hop off ai the brain fog goes away but for the time being it makes u retarded

Back up your claims

 

[Lemur]

Back up your claims

The hippocampus needs E2 to function, without E2 you have worse focus and memory or whatever

 

[Lemur]

Back up your claims

Why do u always say ts

 

[savage21]

You're already retarded if you believe that

. I always thought an excess in AI use would make you retarded. If you use it in proportionate amounts without dipping below 10-15 pg you’d be fine.

 

[Zagro]

Why do u always say ts

"If Zagro fucks your asshole you will grow 8' in height" see what I did there? I claimed random shit with zero scientific proof, everyone can do this and it's what you're doing, but if I can back it up e.g. through clinical trials, mechanistical proof or case reports only then are counter-arguments fucking fathomable, yours are like schizo ramblings.

You're retarded if you cant even comprehend this fucking idiots man over for this forum

. I always thought an excess in AI use would make you retarded. If you use it in proportionate amounts without dipping below 10-15 pg you’d be fine.

^ example of another nigga who read random posts on .org and now bases his opinions completely on retards like @lemureater

 

[savage21]

"If Zagro fucks your asshole you will grow 8' in height" see what I did there? I claimed random shit with zero scientific proof, everyone can do this and it's what you're doing, but if I can back it up e.g. through clinical trials, mechanistical proof or case reports only then are counter-arguments fucking fathomable, yours are like schizo ramblings.

You're retarded if you cant even comprehend this fucking idiots man over for this forum


^ example of another nigga who read random posts on .org and now bases his opinions completely on retards like @lemureater

Always down to learn boss. Would you mind sending me a study or some sort of evidence

 

[Zagro]

Always down to learn boss. Would you mind sending me a study or some sort of evidence

Cognitive effects of aromatase inhibitor therapy in peripubertal boys - PubMed

Our results suggest that blockade of oestrogen biosynthesis with an aromatase inhibitor does not influence cognitive performance in peripubertal males.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cognitive effects of aromatase inhibitors in early breast cancer patients: a prospective study - PubMed

This study suggests that the cognitive difficulties reported by BC patients who underwent AIs may be more influenced by prior chemotherapy rather than from the direct cognitive effects of AIs, highlighting the persistent cognitive consequences of chemotherapy. These findings emphasize the need...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[savage21]

Cognitive effects of aromatase inhibitor therapy in peripubertal boys - PubMed

Our results suggest that blockade of oestrogen biosynthesis with an aromatase inhibitor does not influence cognitive performance in peripubertal males.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks brah

Also here you seem to be in accordance with Jonas about a low E2 being suboptimal. I’m assuming this is for other reasons other than cognitive dysfunction correct?

 

[Lemur]

"If Zagro fucks your asshole you will grow 8' in height" see what I did there? I claimed random shit with zero scientific proof, everyone can do this and it's what you're doing, but if I can back it up e.g. through clinical trials, mechanistical proof or case reports only then are counter-arguments fucking fathomable, yours are like schizo ramblings.

You're retarded if you cant even comprehend this fucking idiots man over for this forum


^ example of another nigga who read random posts on .org and now bases his opinions completely on retards like @lemureater

Was my reply wrong? Does the hippocampus not require E2 to function? Never said I was a fucking expert but I’m willing to be educated

 

[Zagro]

Thanks brah

Also here you seem to be in accordance with Jonas about a low E2 being suboptimal. I’m assuming this is for other reasons other than cognitive dysfunction correct?
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Ancient ahh post refer me to it not sure

Estrogen is bad for periosteal apposition and endochondral ossification, for any other goal such as physique, nuking it is suboptimal because of some hormonal changes and intramuscular water retention making muscles look fuller

 

[savage21]

Ancient ahh post refer me to it not sure

Estrogen is bad for periosteal apposition and endochondral ossification, for any other goal such as physique, nuking it is suboptimal because of some hormonal changes and intramuscular water retention making muscles look fuller

It was a short thread where OP was feeling depressed for being on a high amount of aromatase inhibitors. So yeah not much to do with intelligence but I thought I’d clarify if there were any other reasons nuking your E2 would be suboptimal.

 

[Zagro]

Was my reply wrong? Does the hippocampus not require E2 to function? Never said I was a fucking expert but I’m willing to be educated

Why do trials oppose your claims? Even your brain fog claim is incorrect lol, it's correlated to prior chemotherapy which is like one of the harshest treatments for your body overall to endure

I just need a singular piece of evidence from you, i can also claim estrogen is needed for longitudinal growth but there's a lot of nuance

It was a short thread where OP was feeling depressed for being on a high amount of aromatase inhibitors. So yeah not much to do with intelligence but I thought I’d clarify if there were any other reasons nuking your E2 would be suboptimal.

Yeah libido, mood and joints are likely to get affected. I had nuked E2 and T for months last year it makes you insanely suicidal

 

[aidentxst]

loosing fat

> 1100 calories over TDEE
?

 

[TrueChanglite]

sorry to say but your likely not gonna gain jackshit
there was a study on 0.24 mg/kg/week, yours is like around there based on your BW
they did that dose for 4-7 years of continuous treatment in boys
and the final height was ~3.5 to 7.5 cm over baseline

so unless you raise the dose or run it for years while your growth plates are somehow that open for long nothing substantial will happen jfl

 

[Lemur]

Why do trials oppose your claims? Even your brain fog claim is incorrect lol, it's correlated to prior chemotherapy which is like one of the harshest treatments for your body overall to endure

I just need a singular piece of evidence from you, i can also claim estrogen is needed for longitudinal growth but there's a lot of nuance


Yeah libido, mood and joints are likely to get affected. I had nuked E2 and T for months last year it makes you insanely suicidal

I’ve heard countless anecdotal accounts of people irl and on this forum of the brain fog from ai; however I do understand personal accounts do not qualify as strong evidence.

Even studies done on pregnant women reinforce ur statement that ai has no moderate or significant effect on cognitive ability but it still doesn’t make complete sense why since the hippo-campus, prefrontal cortex, and amygdala also have estrogen receptors.

When looking through this study below it was mentioned that there were 2 trials done where the lack of E did have an impact on cognitive ability. Is there any study u could link to that?

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[WBC323]

Following

 

[Zagro]

I’ve heard countless anecdotal accounts of people irl and on this forum of the brain fog from ai; however I do understand personal accounts do not qualify as strong evidence.

Even studies done on pregnant women reinforce ur statement that ai has no moderate or significant effect on cognitive ability but it still doesn’t make complete sense why since the hippo-campus, prefrontal cortex, and amygdala also have estrogen receptors.

When looking through this study below it was mentioned that there were 2 trials done where the lack of E did have an impact on cognitive ability. Is there any study u could link to that?

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"However, with that caveat, it is reasonable to tell postmenopausal women that there is currently no clear evidence that use of an aromatase inhibitor to treat their breast cancer will result in a deterioration in their cognitive function. "

"Thus, subjective cognitive complaints may be an indicator of an underlying mood disorder. "

Read your own "evidence"

I don't want to argue against you we can extrapolate and come up to such explanations such as brain fog and cognitive decline, but aromatase inhibitors pass BBB by 1-5% meaning they don't even affect local E2 levels mildly, that's what matters the most. If interrupted your body increases the sensitivity of estrogen receptors and the activity of other CYP enzymes to compensate. I just came to the conclusion that aromatase inhibitors don't even work for local E2 so this theory is completely viable.

 

[Lemur]

"However, with that caveat, it is reasonable to tell postmenopausal women that there is currently no clear evidence that use of an aromatase inhibitor to treat their breast cancer will result in a deterioration in their cognitive function. "

"Thus, subjective cognitive complaints may be an indicator of an underlying mood disorder. "

Read your own "evidence"

I don't want to argue against you we can extrapolate and come up to such explanations such as brain fog and cognitive decline, but aromatase inhibitors pass BBB by 1-5% meaning they don't even affect local E2 levels mildly, that's what matters the most. If interrupted your body increases the sensitivity of estrogen receptors and the activity of other CYP enzymes to compensate. I just came to the conclusion that aromatase inhibitors don't even work for local E2 so this theory is completely viable.

The evidence that I linked was to agree/ “reinforce” ur point, not to back the claim theat ai does impact cognitive function as show by the final graph and the explanation following it. Nonetheless thank you for the explanation

 

[Fridx]

Soon I will start HGH and give weekly updates. Not biased and no placebo.

Current height: 5'8, 15.5, male, 60Kg.

Predicted height without stack: 5'9.5

With stack: Predicted by Gemini with lots of extra information I could well be 6'0

The stack (this purely for heightmaxxing, loosing fat and skin benefits):

Vitamin D3+K2 4000 IU ED
Zinc 4mg ED
Magnesium Glycinate 200mg ED
Nac 600mg ED
Dihydroberbine 100mg twice per day
Omega 3 Fish Oil 2g ED

HGH 6IU every 6 days a week
Accutane 20mg ED bumping to 30mg soon
HCTZ 12.5mg EOD
Anastsrzole 0.25mg EOD
T4 50mcg ED

Miscellaneous:
300mg Pregablin once every week
Concerta 54mg once every week
Modanfil 100mg every 3 days

Other protocols for health & etc:
Frequent exercise, 8 hours sleep, healthy diet, 3000+ calories ED

Have any criticism to the stack and lmk I'm open to suggestions.

If you wanna be updated lmk and I'll tag u in updates

Tag me
And mogs

 

[Asoka]

Maybe calcium and phosphorus supplement aswell. Since you are at at a very high risk of getting a fracture like this.

enough from natural diet

 

[Asoka]

sorry to say but your likely not gonna gain jackshit
there was a study on 0.24 mg/kg/week, yours is like around there based on your BW
they did that dose for 4-7 years of continuous treatment in boys
and the final height was ~3.5 to 7.5 cm over baseline

so unless you raise the dose or run it for years while your growth plates are somehow that open for long nothing substantial will happen jfl

Link studies?

 

[Asoka]

> 1100 calories over TDEE
?

will still lean out

 

[BeatleJuiceFanBoy10]

enough from natural diet

Depends on country but probably true.