I will never understand people who hate on eugenics

[Prøphet]

If you think eugenics are bad tell me why

Yeah maybe it was adopted by some immoral people throughout history but that doesn’t just invalidate the entire premise by mere association

For example if we had a eugenics program I wouldn’t have to be born into a body with neurodivergence, ocd, retrognathia, degenerating eyesight, severe strabismus, nerve palsy, mpb, etc etc, my life is genuinely hell and filled with loss and suffering because of the genetics I was handed, just for some low IQ normie to be “Muh nature”, “we shouldn’t interfere”, “Muh playing god”, JFL NIGGA we used to get eaten by wild animals that didn’t stop us from building fences, appeal to nature fallacy always makes me laugh

Like the cruelty of subjecting someone to a lifetime sentence of poor health / beauty (aesthetics are just a reflection of health e.g. craniofacial development because form follows function) will always outweigh the “freedom” of just allowing anyone to try and selfishly immortalize their DNA aka reproduction

Normies cope with Muh “giving birth is a human right”, but I don’t agree with that right when it infringes on the equity and equal opportunity of a whole ass human being, we’re literally talking about the cards you’re dealing to someone that will determine their entire life path

In an ideal world, I think we should place barriers on who is allowed to biologically reproduce. 20-30 year olds would have the opportunity to take an IQ test to make sure they’re at least not below average, then be checked out by a physician for any genetic diseases or deformities before being given a license to reproduce. We would incentivize reproduction with tax benefits, and anyone who reproduces without a license would face financial punishment as an incentive to not do that. People who wouldn’t qualify to reproduce their DNA would be financially encouraged to adopt instead.

Overall I find the biological drive to spread your genetics primitive and outdated. It’s honestly no more noble, grand, or justified than the biological drive to seek out a mate. You don’t deserve either of those things just because it’s what your biology wants. We need to get rid of this whole selfish and cruel attitude around reproduction and come together as a society to give the future generations an equal chance, a system where their opportunities are based on merit and effort rather than leaving biological inequities up to “god” or “luck”. Everyone deserves to have the best opportunity they can.

Also btw in Iceland eugenics are what managed to make Down syndrome extinct, imagine how much suffering we were able to save people from just through education and rational thinking instead of kneejerk ideology driven rhetoric

And the final thing I will leave you with: we already practice eugenics through sexual selection, it’s just wildly inefficient and archaic, so building a formal system for genetic equality would just be an extension of this rather than some wild idea.

 

[unowkn]

My child should have a 10 inch cock out the womb or its over

 

[iamnotaracist]

Water, mirin your high Conscientiousness Quotient Intelligence

 

[kisslessvirgin]

DNR but i probably agree mostly-somewhat

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

find the biological drive to spread your genetics primitive and outdated

Cuck

 

[Prøphet]

Cuck

Slave

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Slave

Brother people will always be dicriminated for theri looks even if everyone is htn+
The bar will just shift
Sexual selection isnt even eugenic in most aspecte
Foids would rather have a low iq diseased tall guy than a high iq strong short man

 

[Prøphet]

Brother people will always be dicriminated for theri looks even if everyone is htn+
The bar will just shift
Sexual selection isnt even eugenic in most aspecte
Foids would rather have a low iq diseased tall guy than a high iq strong short man

Tbh I was mostly thinking about health when I was writing this because that’s what derailed my life even more than my looks, which is really saying something

But even when it comes to looks, the main discrimination stems from a biological instinct in us as an animal species that finds unhealthy structure/development unattractive. If everyone’s htn+, no one will be discriminated for being “ugly”, there will still be a little inequality but it will be a massive improvement and it won’t be genuinely disabling like it is for subhumans and truecels

And I’m torn between your last point, on one hand I think sexual selection is the bests judge of which traits are successful, but I do see some exceptions so idk

 

[Mavueis]

If you think eugenics are bad tell me why

Yeah maybe it was adopted by some immoral people throughout history but that doesn’t just invalidate the entire premise by mere association

For example if we had a eugenics program I wouldn’t have to be born into a body with neurodivergence, ocd, retrognathia, degenerating eyesight, severe strabismus, nerve palsy, mpb, etc etc, my life is genuinely hell and filled with loss and suffering because of the genetics I was handed, just for some low IQ normie to be “Muh nature”, “we shouldn’t interfere”, “Muh playing god”, JFL NIGGA we used to get eaten by wild animals that didn’t stop us from building fences, appeal to nature fallacy always makes me laugh

Like the cruelty of subjecting someone to a lifetime sentence of poor health / beauty (aesthetics are just a reflection of health e.g. craniofacial development because form follows function) will always outweigh the “freedom” of just allowing anyone to try and selfishly immortalize their DNA aka reproduction

Normies cope with Muh “giving birth is a human right”, but I don’t agree with that right when it infringes on the equity and equal opportunity of a whole ass human being, we’re literally talking about the cards you’re dealing to someone that will determine their entire life path

In an ideal world, I think we should place barriers on who is allowed to biologically reproduce. 20-30 year olds would have the opportunity to take an IQ test to make sure they’re at least not below average, then be checked out by a physician for any genetic diseases or deformities before being given a license to reproduce. We would incentivize reproduction with tax benefits, and anyone who reproduces without a license would face financial punishment as an incentive to not do that. People who wouldn’t qualify to reproduce their DNA would be financially encouraged to adopt instead.

Overall I find the biological drive to spread your genetics primitive and outdated. It’s honestly no more noble, grand, or justified than the biological drive to seek out a mate. You don’t deserve either of those things just because it’s what your biology wants. We need to get rid of this whole selfish and cruel attitude around reproduction and come together as a society to give the future generations an equal chance, a system where their opportunities are based on merit and effort rather than leaving biological inequities up to “god” or “luck”. Everyone deserves to have the best opportunity they can.

Also btw in Iceland eugenics are what managed to make Down syndrome extinct, imagine how much suffering we were able to save people from just through education and rational thinking instead of kneejerk ideology driven rhetoric

And the final thing I will leave you with: we already practice eugenics through sexual selection, it’s just wildly inefficient and archaic, so building a formal system for genetic equality would just be an extension of this rather than some wild idea.

eugenics should be backed by natural selection. physical or mental disabilities they inhibit cognitive function or reasonable mobility. no legs = die, downsyndrome = die

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Tbh I was mostly thinking about health when I was writing this because that’s what derailed my life even more than my looks, which is really saying something

But even when it comes to looks, the main discrimination stems from a biological instinct in us as an animal species that finds unhealthy structure/development unattractive. If everyone’s htn+, no one will be discriminated for being “ugly”, there will still be a little inequality but it will be a massive improvement and it won’t be genuinely disabling like it is for subhumans and truecels

And I’m torn between your last point, on one hand I think sexual selection is the bests judge of which traits are successful, but I do see some exceptions so idk

Sexual selection can definetely go wrong in a species especially if there are no more natural selections.
Many small birds for example found small islands and due to the lack of predators upsized untill they could no longer fly .
Most elephants have their males become super agressive in the mating season just because there are no predators which hunt adult males.
Many deer have antlers which are a survival disatvantage since they make them slower and easier to catch while not being used in combat .
Fischerian runaway is a thing

 

[Prøphet]

Sexual selection can definetely go wrong in a species especially if there are no more natural selections.
Many small birds for example found small islands and due to the lack of predators upsized untill they could no longer fly .
Most elephants have their males become super agressive in the mating season just because there are no predators which hunt adult males.
Many deer have antlers which are a survival disatvantage since they make them slower and easier to catch while not being used in combat .
Fischerian runaway is a thing

Hmm good point

Then I would say I think we should judge traits on if they cause suffering or not, and try to breed out every trait which does, then everybody could have an equal start from birth

 

[Divineincel]

If you think eugenics are bad tell me why

Yeah maybe it was adopted by some immoral people throughout history but that doesn’t just invalidate the entire premise by mere association

For example if we had a eugenics program I wouldn’t have to be born into a body with neurodivergence, ocd, retrognathia, degenerating eyesight, severe strabismus, nerve palsy, mpb, etc etc, my life is genuinely hell and filled with loss and suffering because of the genetics I was handed, just for some low IQ normie to be “Muh nature”, “we shouldn’t interfere”, “Muh playing god”, JFL NIGGA we used to get eaten by wild animals that didn’t stop us from building fences, appeal to nature fallacy always makes me laugh

Like the cruelty of subjecting someone to a lifetime sentence of poor health / beauty (aesthetics are just a reflection of health e.g. craniofacial development because form follows function) will always outweigh the “freedom” of just allowing anyone to try and selfishly immortalize their DNA aka reproduction

Normies cope with Muh “giving birth is a human right”, but I don’t agree with that right when it infringes on the equity and equal opportunity of a whole ass human being, we’re literally talking about the cards you’re dealing to someone that will determine their entire life path

In an ideal world, I think we should place barriers on who is allowed to biologically reproduce. 20-30 year olds would have the opportunity to take an IQ test to make sure they’re at least not below average, then be checked out by a physician for any genetic diseases or deformities before being given a license to reproduce. We would incentivize reproduction with tax benefits, and anyone who reproduces without a license would face financial punishment as an incentive to not do that. People who wouldn’t qualify to reproduce their DNA would be financially encouraged to adopt instead.

Overall I find the biological drive to spread your genetics primitive and outdated. It’s honestly no more noble, grand, or justified than the biological drive to seek out a mate. You don’t deserve either of those things just because it’s what your biology wants. We need to get rid of this whole selfish and cruel attitude around reproduction and come together as a society to give the future generations an equal chance, a system where their opportunities are based on merit and effort rather than leaving biological inequities up to “god” or “luck”. Everyone deserves to have the best opportunity they can.

Also btw in Iceland eugenics are what managed to make Down syndrome extinct, imagine how much suffering we were able to save people from just through education and rational thinking instead of kneejerk ideology driven rhetoric

And the final thing I will leave you with: we already practice eugenics through sexual selection, it’s just wildly inefficient and archaic, so building a formal system for genetic equality would just be an extension of this rather than some wild idea.

Because women don’t want to admit that they are eugenicists themselves, just bad ones