i will prove thumbpulling

[mtn_dude_193]

this image also proves my point on how all he did was tilt his head up and take a picture from a more frontal angle. Are you telling me his radix grew longer from thumbpulling? No its that the angle is more from the front causing the radix to look fuller and the nasal hump to seem to have less of an impact then from looking directly from the side. Its much easier to prove if you zoom the images out as you can use things like the eyebrows and the ears as an anchor to compare the two images.

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Notice in the first pic, the entire eyebrow is not visible due to the pic being taken from basically behind him yet in the second pic you can see the entire eyebrow + a little more proving the image was taken more from the front. But the major change would be he angle of the ear relative to the flat line he created to measure the mandibular plane angle. You can see easily that his head is very tilted up from the difference in the position and tilt of the ears. Not a single one of his angles changed, he just learned to fraud with posture and angles.

If you need more evidence i can show you but brother we all went through this phase and its best to just spend time on things that will make a change. Spent months thumbpulling every hour as hard as i could
and years mewing
with 0 change.

this image also proves my point on how all he did was tilt his head up and take a picture from a more frontal angle. Are you telling me his radix grew longer from thumbpulling? No its that the angle is more from the front causing the radix to look fuller and the nasal hump to seem to have less of an impact then from looking directly from the side. Its much easier to prove if you zoom the images out as you can use things like the eyebrows and the ears as an anchor to compare the two images.

View attachment 5355714View attachment 5355716
Notice in the first pic, the entire eyebrow is not visible due to the pic being taken from basically behind him yet in the second pic you can see the entire eyebrow + a little more proving the image was taken more from the front. But the major change would be he angle of the ear relative to the flat line he created to measure the mandibular plane angle. You can see easily that his head is very tilted up from the difference in the position and tilt of the ears. Not a single one of his angles changed, he just learned to fraud with posture and angles.

If you need more evidence i can show you but brother we all went through this phase and its best to just spend time on things that will make a change. Spent months thumbpulling every hour as hard as i could
and years mewing
with 0 change.

what about the image that i sended you cant change that with angles

 

[mtn_dude_193]

this image also proves my point on how all he did was tilt his head up and take a picture from a more frontal angle. Are you telling me his radix grew longer from thumbpulling? No its that the angle is more from the front causing the radix to look fuller and the nasal hump to seem to have less of an impact then from looking directly from the side. Its much easier to prove if you zoom the images out as you can use things like the eyebrows and the ears as an anchor to compare the two images.

View attachment 5355714View attachment 5355716
Notice in the first pic, the entire eyebrow is not visible due to the pic being taken from basically behind him yet in the second pic you can see the entire eyebrow + a little more proving the image was taken more from the front. But the major change would be he angle of the ear relative to the flat line he created to measure the mandibular plane angle. You can see easily that his head is very tilted up from the difference in the position and tilt of the ears. Not a single one of his angles changed, he just learned to fraud with posture and angles.

If you need more evidence i can show you but brother we all went through this phase and its best to just spend time on things that will make a change. Spent months thumbpulling every hour as hard as i could
and years mewing
with 0 change.

also what about the general ascension like what surgery even does that

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Just get marpe bru

i would nigga but its not the same it has many problrms on its own

 

[Zagoon]

what about the image that i sended you cant change that with angles

you literally can

also what about the general ascension like what surgery even does that

getting lean, working out, and using good lighting, angles and posture. In most of his frontal profile pictures he also squints to reduce scleral show and takes the image from above to make it seem like his canthal tilt is better than it is. He also fixed up eyebrows

Most tiktok ascentions are literally just get lean, grow up, and do some minor softmaxxes like fixing coloring and eyebrows, eyelashes, facial hair, etc.

 

[mtn_dude_193]

same angle no lens distortion 5 degrees of rotation i mean how can he even prove he changed

 

[mtn_dude_193]

also theres pictures of his palate getting wider but that could be marpe that would give ypu downward growth tho unlike thumbpuliing

 

[mtn_dude_193]

you literally can

getting lean, working out, and using good lighting, angles and posture. In most of his frontal profile pictures he also squints to reduce scleral show and takes the image from above to make it seem like his canthal tilt is better than it is. He also fixed up eyebrows

Most tiktok ascentions are literally just get lean, grow up, and do some minor softmaxxes like fixing coloring and eyebrows, eyelashes, facial hair, etc.

this just cant be basic softmaxx im sorry bro there are real harmony changes

 

[Kingofmallu]

everybody calls it cope but theres just too much evidence. im gonna do it everyday for a year and measure my palate and take photos every 2 weeks.

my routine is every hour

-- 1.5 minutes up and forward at the front of the palate
-- 1.5 minute laterally back of the palate
--2.5 minutes up and forward middle of the palate

with a neck relase at then end of each.

so 16 x 5.5 = 88 minutes a day

the things im hoping to improve is

more facial width
better canthal tilt
better fwh
better zygo prominence
wider smile
wider mouth
better undereye support
a bit of ccw rotation to fix the nose


this is the current side (ignore the hyoid and neck posture will fix that)

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this is the side i wanna achieve

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currently dont even think my chin is even reccesed but the ccw is off
i pass all the lip assesments, ricketts line etc.

turned 18 2 months ago

wanting a similar transformation like jordan wood

he was 18.5 when he started

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Yes thumb pilling is legit so is Masai jumping to grow taller

 

[mtn_dude_193]

Yes thumb pilling is legit so is Masai jumping to grow taller

already 6.4 nigga

 

[jony🇮🇳🖤]

everybody calls it cope but theres just too much evidence. im gonna do it everyday for a year and measure my palate and take photos every 2 weeks.

my routine is every hour

-- 1.5 minutes up and forward at the front of the palate
-- 1.5 minute laterally back of the palate
--2.5 minutes up and forward middle of the palate

with a neck relase at then end of each.

so 16 x 5.5 = 88 minutes a day

the things im hoping to improve is

more facial width
better canthal tilt
better fwh
better zygo prominence
wider smile
wider mouth
better undereye support
a bit of ccw rotation to fix the nose


this is the current side (ignore the hyoid and neck posture will fix that)

View attachment 4993094

this is the side i wanna achieve

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currently dont even think my chin is even reccesed but the ccw is off
i pass all the lip assesments, ricketts line etc.

turned 18 2 months ago

wanting a similar transformation like jordan wood

he was 18.5 when he started

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Do Cyclic Thumbpulling tho

 

[Zagoon]

View attachment 5356072View attachment 5356073same angle no lens distortion 5 degrees of rotation i mean how can he even prove he changed

literally just masseter hypertrophy and possibly clenching his jaw as well to flex his masseters making a wider angle, which if you watched any of his old guides (which i believe his old tiktok got banned) you would see is part of his routine

this just cant be basic softmaxx im sorry bro there are real harmony changes

wtv helps you cope brotha it still wont do shit

theres a reason people will pay 80k+ to get double jaw surgery, if your thumbs and mewing did anything people wouldn't do this

The only way palatal expanders like marpe works is by being screwed into your upper pallate, and forcing your upper jaw apart and keeping it apart, resulting in your body filling in the gap between the bones, similar to how limb lengthening surgeries work. On top of this, in most cases they often need surgery to manually split the suture as the palatal expander alone is not enough.

Your thumbs simply cannot apply and hold the force necessary 24 hours a day to result in this "growth", nonetheless split the suture in the first place. A simple google search would show you that your suture fuses between 12 and 15 as well, therefore afterword you would need a surgically assisted suture splitting before using palate expanders.

 

[Zagoon]

everybody calls it cope but theres just too much evidence. im gonna do it everyday for a year and measure my palate and take photos every 2 weeks.

my routine is every hour

-- 1.5 minutes up and forward at the front of the palate
-- 1.5 minute laterally back of the palate
--2.5 minutes up and forward middle of the palate

with a neck relase at then end of each.

so 16 x 5.5 = 88 minutes a day

the things im hoping to improve is

more facial width
better canthal tilt
better fwh
better zygo prominence
wider smile
wider mouth
better undereye support
a bit of ccw rotation to fix the nose


this is the current side (ignore the hyoid and neck posture will fix that)

View attachment 4993094

this is the side i wanna achieve

View attachment 4993102

currently dont even think my chin is even reccesed but the ccw is off
i pass all the lip assesments, ricketts line etc.

turned 18 2 months ago

wanting a similar transformation like jordan wood

he was 18.5 when he started

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Also the only two changes in the side profile you want vs you now is removing the nasal hump and projecting the chin more, neither of which would be a result of thumbpulling if it did work. Start working as much as possible and stacking bread you'll get those changes with some simple and safe surgeries in no time.

 

[IbalmeHponeMin]

everybody calls it cope but theres just too much evidence. im gonna do it everyday for a year and measure my palate and take photos every 2 weeks.

my routine is every hour

-- 1.5 minutes up and forward at the front of the palate
-- 1.5 minute laterally back of the palate
--2.5 minutes up and forward middle of the palate

with a neck relase at then end of each.

so 16 x 5.5 = 88 minutes a day

the things im hoping to improve is

more facial width
better canthal tilt
better fwh
better zygo prominence
wider smile
wider mouth
better undereye support
a bit of ccw rotation to fix the nose


this is the current side (ignore the hyoid and neck posture will fix that)

View attachment 4993094

this is the side i wanna achieve

View attachment 4993102

currently dont even think my chin is even reccesed but the ccw is off
i pass all the lip assesments, ricketts line etc.

turned 18 2 months ago

wanting a similar transformation like jordan wood

he was 18.5 when he started

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Yea we all know water is wet

 

[mtn_dude_193]

if it did work it would have improved the hump and i knew it wouldnt change the chin projection but rotate it upwards

 

[mtn_dude_193]

literally just masseter hypertrophy and possibly clenching his jaw as well to flex his masseters making a wider angle, which if you watched any of his old guides (which i believe his old tiktok got banned) you would see is part of his routine

wtv helps you cope brotha it still wont do shit

theres a reason people will pay 80k+ to get double jaw surgery, if your thumbs and mewing did anything people wouldn't do this

The only way palatal expanders like marpe works is by being screwed into your upper pallate, and forcing your upper jaw apart and keeping it apart, resulting in your body filling in the gap between the bones, similar to how limb lengthening surgeries work. On top of this, in most cases they often need surgery to manually split the suture as the palatal expander alone is not enough.

Your thumbs simply cannot apply and hold the force necessary 24 hours a day to result in this "growth", nonetheless split the suture in the first place. A simple google search would show you that your suture fuses between 12 and 15 as well, therefore afterword you would need a surgically assisted suture splitting before using palate expanders.

90 percent of adults dont even need a sarpe the ones that need a sarpe are actually in a really bad condition

even this dude who is 25 years old and 6.4 that basically completed his cranofacial growth could expand without sarpe and only fme.
also you know that marpe doesnt hold it 24/7 right? when you crank it once it applies a force that gradually lessens in like 5 minutes afterwards it just holds the position as you said. thats why its so effective and you can expand like 6 mms in 3 weeks . thumbpulling in the other hand has the neccesary force but you cant do it 24/7 and thats why its so slow each session you expand maybe 0.02 mms and it goes back if you dont do it you need to be always doing it to actually get some growth and this can take up to a year to achieve something like 5 mms. now i would have gotten marpe but as you know it drops down the maxilla making your nose hump or whatever bigger whereas thumbpulling every mm you expand is actually forward growth because the force vector is actually pointing up and forwards whereas marpe is just lateral and no forwards and that makes the maxilla actullay grow vertically thats why they usually use facemask with marpe but i dont believe facemask works because the force vector aint even right in that it actually needs to be pulling up rather down forward . now im not saying this works after 18 or something but i believe mine sutures are still somewhat open from the response im getting. i might be wrong or not but we will see after 6 months if i get any results. i will measure my palate every month

 

[mtn_dude_193]

if it did work it would have improved the hump and i knew it wouldnt change the chin projection but rotate it upwards

the reason it has a hump in the first place is because of bad ccw rotation i actually had a button nose when i was 10 lol

 

[czechpsl]

also you know that marpe doesnt hold it 24/7 right

It does. If you remove it before 6 months of retention, you will get a huge relapse. The zygomas and other bones push the maxilla back to its original size

 

[mtn_dude_193]

It does. If you remove it before 6 months of retention, you will get a huge relapse. The zygomas and other bones push the maxilla back to its original size

yeah i worded it wrong it actually holds 24/7 but doesnt push 24/7 only right after you cranking it. thats why you need to tp for at least a year to keep the results

 

[user56734412]

explain jordan woods tranformation

angle changes.in the photo before you can see only one eyberow and in the photo after you can also see the space beetwen eyebrows

 

[mtn_dude_193]

angle changes.in the photo before you can see only one eyberow and in the photo after you can also see the space beetwen eyebrows

i mean idk bro anything is angle changes at this point he showed himself from the same angle a lot of times judge for yourself

 

[mtn_dude_193]

you literally can

getting lean, working out, and using good lighting, angles and posture. In most of his frontal profile pictures he also squints to reduce scleral show and takes the image from above to make it seem like his canthal tilt is better than it is. He also fixed up eyebrows

Most tiktok ascentions are literally just get lean, grow up, and do some minor softmaxxes like fixing coloring and eyebrows, eyelashes, facial hair, etc.

also saw a video of him saying that he actually got fatter lol he was lower bf in pre ascension