I will start with oral collagen and hyaluronic acid

[Deusmaximus]

Since topical hyaluronic acid is proven to be cope, i will use it orally with collagen powder.
Dr Brad Steinfield has approved this backed up with studies, and is using it in his anti aging stack.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

You're an expert at oral, looks like

 

[Rift]

Nigger

 

[Corleone]

Dr (...) Stein(...)

does he sell these supplements himself?

 

[Gandy]

I thought it's cope, but apparently ingesting HA can moisturize skin in people with dry skin, according to peer reviewed studies.

Ingested hyaluronan moisturizes dry skin

Hyaluronan (HA) is present in many tissues of the body and is essential to maintain moistness in the skin tissues, which contain approximately half the body’s HA mass. Due to its viscosity and moisturizing effect, HA is widely distributed as a ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Several studies have shown that ingested HA effects the knee joints [6,7] and the skin [15-20] (Table 1). In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, human subjects that had chronically rough and dry skin (the average age ± S.E.; 26.7 ± 6.6) received 240 mg/day of HA (Hyaluronsan HA-F; MW 8 × 105, Kewpie Co., Tokyon = 11) for 6 weeks. Four evaluation phases by a dermatologist determined that the conditions of dry skin in face and whole body were significantly improved in the HA group respectively compared with the placebo group after 3 weeks and 6 weeks of ingestion. In addition, skin moisture content at the lower left part of the eye significantly improved in the HA group from 3 weeks to 6 weeks of ingestion

 

[Mongrelcel]

topical hyaluronic acid is cope?

elab?

 

[Sondern]

Since topical hyaluronic acid is proven to be cope, i will use it orally with collagen powder.
Dr Brad Steinfield has approved this backed up with studies, and is using it in his anti aging stack.

Lemme know if you find a good way to do this. I want to boost my collagen with no side effects

 

[Deusmaximus]

topical hyaluronic acid is cope?

elab?

Studies have shown that the effects are placebo only

 

[Deusmaximus]

Lemme know if you find a good way to do this. I want to boost my collagen with no side effects

Order hyaluronic acid + collagen peptide powder

 

[Mongrelcel]

Studies have shown that the effects are placebo only

link please?

 

[Deusmaximus]

link please?

Look at the video that i posted. He is linking the studies.

 

[Sondern]

Order hyaluronic acid + collagen peptide powder

No side effects? can you link the product and maybe some studies if you have them?

 

[cracka]

oral collagen is bullshit, start taking peptides and retin-a if you want to see real results

 

[Deusmaximus]

oral collagen is bullshit, start taking peptides and retin-a if you want to see real results

And what do you think about this meta analysis?

Effects of hydrolyzed collagen supplementation on skin aging: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Skin aging has become a recurring concern even for younger people, mainly owing to increased life expectancy. In this context, the use of nutricosmetics as supplements has increased in recent years. Moreover, numerous scientific studies have shown the benefits of hydrolyzed collagen...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Eligible studies were randomized, double-blind, and controlled trials that evaluated oral supplementation with hydrolyzed collagen as an intervention and reported at least one of the following outcomes: skin wrinkles, hydration, elasticity, and firmness. After retrieving articles from the databases, 19 studies were selected, with a total of 1,125 participants aged between 20 and 70 years (95% women). In the meta-analysis, a grouped analysis of studies showed favorable results of hydrolyzed collagen supplementation compared with placebo in terms of skin hydration, elasticity, and wrinkles. The findings of improved hydration and elasticity were also confirmed in the subgroup meta-analysis. Based on results, ingestion of hydrolyzed collagen for 90 days is effective in reducing skin aging, as it reduces wrinkles and improves skin elasticity and hydration.

 

[Deusmaximus]

No side effects? can you link the product and maybe some studies if you have them?

Oral intake of a new full-spectrum hyaluronan improves skin profilometry and ageing: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial - PubMed

Administration of a food supplement based on innovative hyaluronans from bio-fermentation, characterized by a wide range of molecular weights, resulted in a quick and significant amelioration of typical signs of skin aging.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8308347/

 

[Sondern]

Oral intake of a new full-spectrum hyaluronan improves skin profilometry and ageing: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial - PubMed

Administration of a food supplement based on innovative hyaluronans from bio-fermentation, characterized by a wide range of molecular weights, resulted in a quick and significant amelioration of typical signs of skin aging.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8308347/

SICK, your the best man. so where can I get some hyaluronan? what are the doses? when and how should I take it? If you could answer those questions ill give you my discord and Ill make you a professional free logo whenever you want to show my gratitude. Please lemme know brother

 

[andy9432]

Is tret better topically or orally?

 

[cracka]

And what do you think about this meta analysis?

Effects of hydrolyzed collagen supplementation on skin aging: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Skin aging has become a recurring concern even for younger people, mainly owing to increased life expectancy. In this context, the use of nutricosmetics as supplements has increased in recent years. Moreover, numerous scientific studies have shown the benefits of hydrolyzed collagen...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Eligible studies were randomized, double-blind, and controlled trials that evaluated oral supplementation with hydrolyzed collagen as an intervention and reported at least one of the following outcomes: skin wrinkles, hydration, elasticity, and firmness. After retrieving articles from the databases, 19 studies were selected, with a total of 1,125 participants aged between 20 and 70 years (95% women). In the meta-analysis, a grouped analysis of studies showed favorable results of hydrolyzed collagen supplementation compared with placebo in terms of skin hydration, elasticity, and wrinkles. The findings of improved hydration and elasticity were also confirmed in the subgroup meta-analysis. Based on results, ingestion of hydrolyzed collagen for 90 days is effective in reducing skin aging, as it reduces wrinkles and improves skin elasticity and hydration.

Show me a comparable positive difference when comparing to very simple OTC items such as moisturizer, cleanser & exfoliant combo.

 

[AlexBrown84]

How many grams of collagen powder do you take daily? I take 12g

 

[stressftw]

Is tret better topically or orally?

Tret orally is Accutane. I took it in low doses for around 5 years and quit in early 2021, my collagen and overall skin quality is insane and i can easily pass as 20 if shaven, im almost 29. Idk how much accutane helped in the process of aging in my case, i mainly took it for prevent acne, but oral tretinoin(isotretinoin) is proven to increase collagen synthesis and fight skin aging. But i dont think the pros overcome the possible sides just for aging, better to stick with topical tret.

Oral intake of a new full-spectrum hyaluronan improves skin profilometry and ageing: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial - PubMed

Administration of a food supplement based on innovative hyaluronans from bio-fermentation, characterized by a wide range of molecular weights, resulted in a quick and significant amelioration of typical signs of skin aging.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8308347/

The problem with both those studies regarding collagen intake and oral hyaluronic acid is that they claim that control groups improved their skin through the benefit of hydratating the skin basically, what is important here is to analyze if collagen synthesis / production and skin thickness increased or changed long-term, like in Tret studies. Those studies are lacking information.

As everybody knows, when you ingest collagen your body will break it down into proteins and use it in different parts of you body and wont be absorbed as collagen to you skin, there are many paper studies showing this unfortunately.

Anybody with dry skin will have improvement in elasticity and wrinkles once start to hydratate the skin orally or topically, this isnt conclusive at all.

 

[Mr.Proper]

will break it down into proteins and use it in different parts of you body and wont be absorbed as collagen to you skin, there are many paper studies showing this unfortunately.

There were studies which showed that some part of collagen peptides get directly into bloodstream and absorbed by skin, actually.

 

[stressftw]

There were studies which showed that some part of collagen peptides get directly into bloodstream and absorbed by skin, actually.

Yo, can you send me those links?

 

[Mr.Proper]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28244315/

Hydroxyproline-containing dipeptides and tripeptides quantified at high concentration in human blood after oral administration of gelatin hydrolysate - PubMed

Several hydroxyproline (Hyp)-containing food-derived collagen peptides were identified in human blood after oral ingestion of gelatin hydrolysates. However, these types of peptides were not quantified in human plasma. In this report, a sensitive LC-MS/MS method was introduced for simultaneous...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Not exactly these studies but also show something.

 

[bleksandre]

oral collagen is bullshit, start taking peptides and retin-a if you want to see real results

What peptides?