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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
 
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the death is not the end
 
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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
Some niggas on here is too redpilled to accept this
 
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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
ur not Nietzsche
 
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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
im interested in how u explain to yourself why the universe exists + what are ur arguments against religion
 
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Im not against Religion

Im happy for you that you believe in it

But i cant sadly:feelsbadman:

But in the end we cannot know for 100%
why can't u ?? is it ur fam stopping u or ehat:lul:
 
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Read Julius Evola
 
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I was planning to do so

but im so fucking lazy this summer I hate myself

I wanted to read so many books and i didnt
You can listen to his books
 
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I was raised in a christian family and I was still a christian 2 years ago
okok I was raised by a atheist fam but I'm attending church every Sunday with them
 
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im interested in how u explain to yourself why the universe exists + what are ur arguments against religion
Depends on the Religion

But if we talk about christianity there are many

The two best arguments for me is suffering of animals thats not caused by humans and the fact that our universe is predetermined and with that we dont have a free will

If we dont have a free will everything about heaven and hell wouldnt make any sense at all
 
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Depends on the Religion
chistianity
But if we talk about christianity there are many
which
The two best arguments for me is suffering of animals thats not caused by humans and the fact that our universe is predetermined and with that we dont have a free will
mortality is the only way to give an importance to life and with mortality there comes suffering
through adam and eve and human sinn everything has been corrupted
If we dont have a free will everything about heaven and hell wouldnt make any sense at all
why dont we have free will
 
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chistianity

which

mortality is the only way to give an importance to life and with mortality there comes suffering
through adam and eve and human sinn everything has been corrupted

why dont we have free will
But why do animals have to suffer because of something humans did

as I said im talking about animals who are suffering which doesnt not include humans

Imagine a deer running around in the forest

Out of nowhere, a small tree falls on it not by human hand, but simply by nature

The animal lies on the ground, its body crushed, bleeding out slowly

For hours, it remains alive, starving, helpless, and suffering, until death finally takes it

Why would a God who is all good do that

If you dont agree that even humans dont have free will then you can atleast agree that a deer is not responsible of the corruption made by adam and eve
 
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But why do animals have to suffer because of something humans did

as I said im talking about animals who are suffering which doesnt not include humans

Imagine a deer running around in the forest

Out of nowhere, a small tree falls on it not by human hand, but simply by nature

The animal lies on the ground, its body crushed, bleeding out slowly

For hours, it remains alive, starving, helpless, and suffering, until death finally takes it

Why would a God who is all good do that

If you dont agree that even humans dont have free will then you can atleast agree that a deer is not responsible of the corruption made by adam and eve
Well Thats just caused by the laws of nature Which were given by god for a reason and god has to give his creation Freedom to unfold
 
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But why do animals have to suffer because of something humans did

as I said im talking about animals who are suffering which doesnt not include humans

Imagine a deer running around in the forest

Out of nowhere, a small tree falls on it not by human hand, but simply by nature

The animal lies on the ground, its body crushed, bleeding out slowly

For hours, it remains alive, starving, helpless, and suffering, until death finally takes it

Why would a God who is all good do that

If you dont agree that even humans dont have free will then you can atleast agree that a deer is not responsible of the corruption made by adam and eve
How would u have the possibilty of claiming that there is no free will If there wasnt
 
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Well Thats just caused by the laws of nature Which were given by god for a reason and god has to give his creation Freedom to unfold
Why would he create a nature where innocent animals are suffering

how can he be good?

There is no good reason why he does that

For humans you could argue they need that because they can find to God in hard times ... adam eve etc

But why are animals suffering

The laws given by god in that case is just evil tbh

and there is no freedom for the animals they are not conscious or selfaware like us
 
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Im not against Religion

Im happy for you that you believe in it

But i cant sadly:feelsbadman:

But in the end we cannot know for 100%
Religion is bad

Infleunces morals wrongly
Changes thinking system from logic based to belief based
Influences politics
Etc
 
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How would u have the possibilty of claiming that there is no free will If there wasnt
Because of determinism

Tell me where does the free will come from

Nothing comes from Nothingness

there is always are reason why something is or why something happening. There is always a cause

How can your will be free if your while arisis because of a cause

Thats not free by definition
 
Religion is bad

Infleunces morals wrongly
Changes thinking system from logic based to belief based
Influences politics
Etc
I agree

atleast some people are happy with it

or are delusional enough to belief in some moral laws which they apply to their life
 
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Why would he create a nature where innocent animals are suffering

how can he be good?

There is no good reason why he does that

For humans you could argue they need that because they can find to God in hard times ... adam eve etc

But why are animals suffering

The laws given by god in that case is just evil tbh

and there is no freedom for the animals they are not conscious or selfaware like us
Well the creation evolves around humans primarily and how could we know with our Limited Knowledge Why god put These laws on this planet we just cant know as long as we dont know what Happens in the afterlife
 
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Well the creation evolves around humans primarily and how could we know with our Limited Knowledge Why god put These laws on this planet we just cant know as long as we dont know what Happens in the afterlife
This is a dead argument ima be honest

we cannot know why he does this and that

Why would he want that

why would he not give us this information

Why did he not created other biological laws where animals are not needed so there wouldnt be suffering for them
 
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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
One might say that striving for a better world irrespective of how insignificant us humans are is a great cause.
 
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Because of determinism

Tell me where does the free will come from

Nothing comes from Nothingness

there is always are reason why something is or why something happening. There is always a cause

How can your will be free if your while arisis because of a cause

Thats not free by definition
Because of determinism

Tell me where does the free will come from

Nothing comes from Nothingness

there is always are reason why something is or why something happening. There is always a cause

How can your will be free if your while arisis because of a cause

Thats not free by definition
From nothing comes nothing Argument is lacking heavily because if ur Arguing from this Logic we wouldnt exist
 
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From nothing comes nothing Argument is lacking heavily because if ur Arguing from this Logic we wouldnt exist
why

the universe could be eternal

before the "big bang " if it really exists

there could be something before that that caused it and so on

You could go an infinite amount of time to the past and future

Thats very possible

But we dont know 100%

What we know is that there is a cause for our actions and thats what matters
 
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believing in god and praying hows that gonna help me
less praying more doing
 
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But most Religioncels like myself a long time ago will come to the conclusion that


We live in a deterministic universe without a free will or a deeper true meaning


We are just waiting for the day when the infinite domino effect that drives us leds to our death

There was never a great story written about you in the end, you vanish into endless nothingness
Nah I like it this way, I am happy there is nothing after death to continue this stupidity. Imagine eternity of fucking bullshit. It only makes sense that there is no deeper meaning to this abomination of an existance.
 
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why

the universe could be eternal

before the "big bang " if it really exists

there could be something before that that caused it and so on

You could go an infinite amount of time to the past and future

Thats very possible

But we dont know 100%

What we know is that there is a cause for our actions and thats what matters
Well one of my Main Arguments is the Moral Preposition everybody has + the complete absence of purpose if atheism is true what we dont see in humans everybody yearns for purpose
 
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Well one of my Main Arguments is the Moral Preposition everybody has + the complete absence of purpose if atheism is true what we dont see in humans everybody yearns for purpose
moral is subjectiv

if it wouldnt be

mass murderer wouldnt exist
And tell me how does it happen that someone happens to be one
They couldnt choose that with free will
There was a cause that made him that way
Example:

A child is born into a bad family, gets abused, bullied at school, grows up with no money, sees no meaning in life and eventually becomes a mass murderer


Now imagine the same person but born into a rich family, with loving parents, good looks, no bullying and they end up becoming a successful doctor


Same person, two completely different outcomes, all because of one initial cause that shaped them

How can that be considered fair in the sense of Heaven and Hell
 
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moral is subjectiv

if it wouldnt be

mass murderer wouldnt exist
And tell me how does it happen that someone happens to be one
They couldnt choose that with free will
There was a cause that made him that way
Example:

A child is born into a bad family, gets abused, bullied at school, grows up with no money, sees no meaning in life and eventually becomes a mass murderer


Now imagine the same person but born into a rich family, with loving parents, good looks, no bullying and they end up becoming a successful doctor


Same person, two completely different outcomes, all because of one initial cause that shaped them

How can that be considered fair in the sense of Heaven and Hell
And still every human being has feelings of love Trust loyalty etc.
I would love to argue with u further but I Gotta get up at 5:20 tommorow for my driver license Text so if u want we can actually Discuss tomorrow
 
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You’re still looking for meaning inside the system. No wonder it feels hollow and empty.
The truth doesn’t live in the code, it comes through it, from something deeper. From the part of you that existed before thought.

Meaning isn’t something you chase. It’s something you reclaim.
 
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And still every human being has feelings of love Trust loyalty etc.
I would love to argue with u further but I Gotta get up at 5:20 tommorow for my driver license Text so if u want we can actually Discuss tomorrow
All good:Comfy:

See ya tomorrow
 
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You’re still looking for meaning inside the system. No wonder it feels hollow and empty.
The truth doesn’t live in the code, it comes through it, from something deeper. From the part of you that existed before thought.

Meaning isn’t something you chase. It’s something you reclaim.
You can definitely find a sense of meaning But there is no clear absolute meaning like one given by a god

And the second part of my thread is thi whether or not we find that meaning is already determined because we live in a deterministic universe

Everything that happens is part of an infinite chain of cause and effect

You don’t get to choose whether your life becomes bliss or misery it’s determined by factors far outside your control

with that the fact of finding a meaning or a will to live is also predetermined

And I'm not just talking about genetic determinism that shapes your life

The fact that we only live once, and without free will, haunts me
 
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@powerliftercoco

You asked me if I could tag you in the next philosphical thread - The thread is not the interesting part but the comments

If you are bored read the comments I had a nice debate about christianity with elkkkk

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You can definitely find a sense of meaning But there is no clear absolute meaning like one given by a god

And the second part of my thread is thi whether or not we find that meaning is already determined because we live in a deterministic universe


Everything that happens is part of an infinite chain of cause and effect

You don’t get to choose whether your life becomes bliss or misery it’s determined by factors far outside your control

with that the fact of finding a meaning or a will to live is also predetermined

And I'm not just talking about genetic determinism that shapes your life

The fact that we only live once, and without free will, haunts me
Yes, the body-mind is deterministic.
Yes, it does run on cause and effect.

But here's the kicker: that’s not you. That’s just your avatar, but not your true self.

Free will isn’t about choosing to go left or right. True free will is about waking up outside of the script, seeing the ego for what it is: a loop.
But it's easy to mistake the loop for the self. You think you only live once because you’ve never felt the part of you that doesn’t die.

You don’t need a god to give you meaning. You are the meaning.
 
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