I Would Rather Die at 39 then live to be less than a man at 40

[patrikos.psl]

I would rather die at thirty nine than live to be less a man at forty.

"The average age for a man in the Bronze Age was eighteen. In the Roman era, twenty-two. Heaven must have been beautiful then.." A Life in Four Chapters, Yukio Mishima

We look back at those ages as the peak of what man has ever produced on this earth. A man past a certain age releases his values. Quietly, without ceremony. He releases his traditions. He becomes weak in the way that a governed people becomes weak. The Misanthropist World Order needs to destroy men and it does this by aging him.

The warrior should be the goal of every man. Below the warrior is the poet, and the poet always dies young. These are the two figures that have ever produced anything worth the word civilization. The warrior, Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, and the poet, Nietzsche, Kant, Shakespeare. When these two forces exist inside the same age, inside the same hunger, art and literature alongside war and conquest, what emerges from that mixture is the only thing that has ever deserved the name.

Civilization.

The Bronze Age man of eighteen understood this as the condition of his life. The Roman of twenty three had already decided what he was. There was no time to become governable.

I would rather die at thirty nine than arrive at forty as less of a man than I was at twenty.
Which, for most men, is exactly what forty is.

 

[patrikos.psl]

bump, might go offline after this post though

 

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[mcmentalonthemic]

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I would rather die at thirty nine than live to be less a man at forty.

"The average age for a man in the Bronze Age was eighteen. In the Roman era, twenty-two. Heaven must have been beautiful then.." A Life in Four Chapters, Yukio Mishima

We look back at those ages as the peak of what man has ever produced on this earth. A man past a certain age releases his values. Quietly, without ceremony. He releases his traditions. He becomes weak in the way that a governed people becomes weak. The Misanthropist World Order needs to destroy men and it does this by aging him.

The warrior should be the goal of every man. Below the warrior is the poet, and the poet always dies young. These are the two figures that have ever produced anything worth the word civilization. The warrior, Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, and the poet, Nietzsche, Kant, Shakespeare. When these two forces exist inside the same age, inside the same hunger, art and literature alongside war and conquest, what emerges from that mixture is the only thing that has ever deserved the name.

Civilization.

The Bronze Age man of eighteen understood this as the condition of his life. The Roman of twenty three had already decided what he was. There was no time to become governable.

I would rather die at thirty nine than arrive at forty as less of a man than I was at twenty.
Which, for most men, is exactly what forty is.

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Both Mishima and Nietzsche had to settle for poetry because they were cowards. Neither of them was able to fight as a soldier.

Mishima feigned illness to avoid fighting in World War II.

Nietzsche fell from a horse, and that was his excuse for not fighting in the Prussian wars.

Both of them, and everyone you mention, are victims of idealism; they died because of a self-proclaimed madness. Mishima never took up a weapon to fight, only to commit suicide, and Nietzsche spent his life questioning and envying Wagner because Wagner embodied the will to power and the masculine strength that Nietzsche could never perceive in himself.

All these men are victims of an ideal they will never attain and never did attain.

Don’t live to fulfill fantasies; live in the moment without idealistic pretensions. Pursue the nature of your essence without intention—not because it is something superior, but because it is good for you. Let the will to power be not just will, but more praxis.

 

[patrikos.psl]

last bump of the day before I hop off

 

[patrikos.psl]

Both Mishima and Nietzsche had to settle for poetry because they were cowards. Neither of them was able to fight as a soldier.

Mishima feigned illness to avoid fighting in World War II.

Nietzsche fell from a horse, and that was his excuse for not fighting in the Prussian wars.

Both of them, and everyone you mention, are victims of idealism; they died because of a self-proclaimed madness. Mishima never took up a weapon to fight, only to commit suicide, and Nietzsche spent his life questioning and envying Wagner because Wagner embodied the will to power and the masculine strength that Nietzsche could never perceive in himself.

All these men are victims of an ideal they will never attain and never did attain.

Don’t live to fulfill fantasies; live in the moment without idealistic pretensions. Pursue the nature of your essence without intention—not because it is something superior, but because it is good for you. Let the will to power be not just will, but more praxis.

Mirin the engagement, this is why I placed the warrior before the poet
somones very high iq i can sense it

 

[patrikos.psl]

last bump of the day before I hop off

Gay

very wikid mr mcmentalonthemic

 

[psychopathic]

somones very high iq i can sense it

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It was ChatGPT btw

 

[ase]

Both Mishima and Nietzsche had to settle for poetry because they were cowards. Neither of them was able to fight as a soldier.

Mishima feigned illness to avoid fighting in World War II.

Nietzsche fell from a horse, and that was his excuse for not fighting in the Prussian wars.

Both of them, and everyone you mention, are victims of idealism; they died because of a self-proclaimed madness. Mishima never took up a weapon to fight, only to commit suicide, and Nietzsche spent his life questioning and envying Wagner because Wagner embodied the will to power and the masculine strength that Nietzsche could never perceive in himself.

All these men are victims of an ideal they will never attain and never did attain.

Don’t live to fulfill fantasies; live in the moment without idealistic pretensions. Pursue the nature of your essence without intention—not because it is something superior, but because it is good for you. Let the will to power be not just will, but more praxis.

Wasn't nietsche against wanting to live in an ideal world instead of accepting reality fully?

 

[patrikos.psl]

Wasn't nietsche against wanting to live in an ideal world instead of accepting reality fully?

Nietzsche in The Birth of Tragedy argues that the Greeks created the Olympian gods and the warrior ideal not to escape reality, but because they had looked fully into the horror of existence and needed a form powerful enough to justify living inside of it. The warrior (imo) is the response to reality

 

[toji.]

Mirin the engagement, this is why I placed the warrior before the poet
somones very high iq i can sense it

What you say is somewhat true, but your perception of the soldier or warrior is the idealistic abstraction of those who have never fought.

The warrior may have sinister motives behind his actions; perhaps he simply enjoys killing, enslaving people, and raping. Behind this lies an instrumentalization of humanity, where nationalist motivation tends to be vilified.

It is the same phenomenon that occurred after World War I; all sides viewed the war as a festive event, something glorious, and it was not until later that this conceptualization was dismantled, and the question of existence and being in the face of death emerged (Heidegger being one of its main proponents).

I understand your point, but personally, I prefer to aspire to be like those beings who are what they are because their essence and nature dictate it. —It’s a slightly more Eastern perspective, but no less valid for that.

 

[patrikos.psl]

What you say is somewhat true, but your perception of the soldier or warrior is the idealistic abstraction of those who have never fought.

The warrior may have sinister motives behind his actions; perhaps he simply enjoys killing, enslaving people, and raping. Behind this lies an instrumentalization of humanity, where nationalist motivation tends to be vilified.

It is the same phenomenon that occurred after World War I; all sides viewed the war as a festive event, something glorious, and it was not until later that this conceptualization was dismantled, and the question of existence and being in the face of death emerged (Heidegger being one of its main proponents).

I understand your point, but personally, I prefer to aspire to be like those beings who are what they are because their essence and nature dictate it. —It’s a slightly more Eastern perspective, but no less valid for that.

I would rather die at thirty nine than live to be less a man at forty.

"The average age for a man in the Bronze Age was eighteen. In the Roman era, twenty-two. Heaven must have been beautiful then.." A Life in Four Chapters, Yukio Mishima

We look back at those ages as the peak of what man has ever produced on this earth. A man past a certain age releases his values. Quietly, without ceremony. He releases his traditions. He becomes weak in the way that a governed people becomes weak. The Misanthropist World Order needs to destroy men and it does this by aging him.

The warrior should be the goal of every man. Below the warrior is the poet, and the poet always dies young. These are the two figures that have ever produced anything worth the word civilization. The warrior, Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, and the poet, Nietzsche, Kant, Shakespeare. When these two forces exist inside the same age, inside the same hunger, art and literature alongside war and conquest, what emerges from that mixture is the only thing that has ever deserved the name.

Civilization.

The Bronze Age man of eighteen understood this as the condition of his life. The Roman of twenty three had already decided what he was. There was no time to become governable.

I would rather die at thirty nine than arrive at forty as less of a man than I was at twenty.
Which, for most men, is exactly what forty is.

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BUMP (fr last one today )

 

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It was ChatGPT btw

I only use one translator: Deepl. When discussing philosophical topics, concepts tend to get mixed up because there are different translations for them. For example, Heidegger’s German concept of “Dasein” is translated as “being-there,” but in German the word has a different connotation. It encompasses all the beings around it; some languages don’t have that connotation in a concept.

So it’s likely that the translator adds those typical GPT lines, and I’m too lazy to delete them.

 

[patrikos.psl]

bump

 

[alurmo]

Both Mishima and Nietzsche had to settle for poetry because they were cowards. Neither of them was able to fight as a soldier.

Mishima feigned illness to avoid fighting in World War II.

Nietzsche fell from a horse, and that was his excuse for not fighting in the Prussian wars.

Both of them, and everyone you mention, are victims of idealism; they died because of a self-proclaimed madness. Mishima never took up a weapon to fight, only to commit suicide, and Nietzsche spent his life questioning and envying Wagner because Wagner embodied the will to power and the masculine strength that Nietzsche could never perceive in himself.

All these men are victims of an ideal they will never attain and never did attain.

Don’t live to fulfill fantasies; live in the moment without idealistic pretensions. Pursue the nature of your essence without intention—not because it is something superior, but because it is good for you. Let the will to power be not just will, but more praxis.

tehy redeemed themselves in the end havent they, even evola admitted to the warriors blood being closer to gods then philosophers

mishima redeemed himself when he created his coupe and tried to fight against japanese gov, and his death, he turned his life into ultimate art, he commited honourary seppuku, he said himself, he acknowledged his cowardice in his youth, he couldve gotten worse, but he turned his life into poetry

and then nietzsche, he never fell from a horse, that story was a lie written in a magazine, he did fight in prussian war, he was a medic in the war, ur argument for his cowardice is already wrong, even if he was cowardice in his youth, he battled illnesses his whole life, goingn blind near the end of his life, but still prophesising teh ubermensch doctrine and creating the geneology method of analysing

mishima never took up a waepon? have u read anything up on him, nietzsche envying wagner? this is just total delusion, illusions u built to fix ur own beliefs, and then wagner embodying will to power wagner was a noble man, but his art at the end of the day, was not upto nietzsche's standard, he only wrote like 2 works on wagner, and all his issues with wagner started late in his career after zarathustra

nietzsche was literally anti-idealist, He legit saw traditional idealism countering the physical world, and mishima was obsessed with the physicality of existence, he was barely a philosopher which makes him a good philosopher, but if we shall talk abt ideals they had, the closest thing is the heroic idealism they had, and is it not good to try to live up to the heroic ideal, its noble, honourable way to live, its full of growth, give way to superior culture, create superior bodys, even athens culture in ancient greece had ideals where they tried to live up to

every ideal they did have, was life affirming, the philosphy of art, dionysus and apollo, mishima's artistic death

dude they werent victims to the ideal dawg, they literally created the ideal how can they be victims to it

lol i can tell u barely read nietzsche, he critqued ur whole last paragraph, he agressavely was against, living for fantasies or afterworlds like he says in zarathustra, nietzsche was ultimately anti idealist anti escapism, and he already tells people to live in the moment the idea of amor fati, which he frequently mentions in the gay science,would mean to live fully, not in past present or future, also his eternal recorrunce requires amor fati to even believe in it, his whole philosphy requires u to accept life, reject ideals, saying a yes to everything ur life has contained and will contain, without living for anything else or ideals, self overcoming, another thing nietzsche talks abt, requires u to give style to ur character,inst that also anti idealist

im not against what u believe, but ur critiques of nietzsche and mishima are awful

 

[toji.]

tehy redeemed themselves in the end havent they, even evola admitted to the warriors blood being closer to gods then philosophers

mishima redeemed himself when he created his coupe and tried to fight against japanese gov, and his death, he turned his life into ultimate art, he commited honourary seppuku, he said himself, he acknowledged his cowardice in his youth, he couldve gotten worse, but he turned his life into poetry

and then nietzsche, he never fell from a horse, that story was a lie written in a magazine, he did fight in prussian war, he was a medic in the war, ur argument for his cowardice is already wrong, even if he was cowardice in his youth, he battled illnesses his whole life, goingn blind near the end of his life, but still prophesising teh ubermensch doctrine and creating the geneology method of analysing

mishima never took up a waepon? have u read anything up on him, nietzsche envying wagner? this is just total delusion, illusions u built to fix ur own beliefs, and then wagner embodying will to power wagner was a noble man, but his art at the end of the day, was not upto nietzsche's standard, he only wrote like 2 works on wagner, and all his issues with wagner started late in his career after zarathustra

nietzsche was literally anti-idealist, He legit saw traditional idealism countering the physical world, and mishima was obsessed with the physicality of existence, he was barely a philosopher which makes him a good philosopher, but if we shall talk abt ideals they had, the closest thing is the heroic idealism they had, and is it not good to try to live up to the heroic ideal, its noble, honourable way to live, its full of growth, give way to superior culture, create superior bodys, even athens culture in ancient greece had ideals where they tried to live up to

every ideal they did have, was life affirming, the philosphy of art, dionysus and apollo, mishima's artistic death

dude they werent victims to the ideal dawg, they literally created the ideal how can they be victims to it

lol i can tell u barely read nietzsche, he critqued ur whole last paragraph, he agressavely was against, living for fantasies or afterworlds like he says in zarathustra, nietzsche was ultimately anti idealist anti escapism, and he already tells people to live in the moment the idea of amor fati, which he frequently mentions in the gay science,would mean to live fully, not in past present or future, also his eternal recorrunce requires amor fati to even believe in it, his whole philosphy requires u to accept life, reject ideals, saying a yes to everything ur life has contained and will contain, without living for anything else or ideals, self overcoming, another thing nietzsche talks abt, requires u to give style to ur character,inst that also anti idealist

im not against what u believe, but ur critiques of nietzsche and mishima are awful

Look, I understand that you want to defend your favorite authors, but to say that I’ve barely read Nietzsche or Mishima while basing your rebuttal on superficial summaries is, to say the least, ironic. I’ve read all of Nietzsche’s works, including the reflections on him by various authors (Bataille, Heidegger, etc.), and I’ve read Mishima as well. I consider both of them to be extremely important on a prosaic, poetic, and literary level, but also, as I said, their real-life personas were quite sad. Furthermore, there are historical and philosophical errors in what you’re saying.

For starters, you’re mixing apples and oranges with the whole Nietzsche horse thing. I’m not referring to the famous mental breakdown in Turin in 1889, but to what happened in March 1868. He joined the Prussian artillery, tried to mount his horse in a single leap, slammed his chest against the pommel of the saddle, and tore two muscles. He was bedridden for months, and that ended his military ambitions before they even began. Yes, he later served as a nurse in 1870 (in fact, he mentions this in the preface to Ecce Homo), but it lasted only a month before he contracted dysentery and returned home. My point is valid: his experience as a “warrior” was brief, disastrous, and physically incompatible with that hypermasculine ideal he wrote so much about later.

Regarding Wagner, to say that Nietzsche wrote only “a couple of works” about him and felt no envy is to misunderstand their relationship. The Birth of Tragedy is practically a philosophical love letter. Nietzsche started out as Wagner’s intellectual “lapdog,” and his fierce critiques years later were not objective, but rather the bitter reaction of a disappointed idealist. He was obsessed with Wagner because Wagner possessed the cultural and vital power that Nietzsche (a sickly, retired professor) could only dream of having.

As for Mishima, if you think he “redeemed” his life by turning it into art, you’re proving my point. Organizing a coup d’état doomed to failure, giving a speech to soldiers who were mocking him, and then performing seppuku (a failed one, by the way, since they couldn’t cut off his head (not until two attempts and even a change of kaishakunin) that’s not the death of a warrior; it’s the death of an eccentric poet doing cosplay. Mishima couldn’t be a soldier in World War II, so he invented a private army (the Tatenokai) and staged a dramatic suicide to fulfill an aesthetic fetish. That isn’t overcoming cowardice; it’s disguising it as samurai theater.

In the end, the most ironic thing is that you cite amor fati or the Übermensch to argue that Nietzsche was anti-idealist. Sure, he claimed to hate Platonic and Christian idealism, but what he did was replace them with an aesthetic and biologically impossible ideal. Preaching the will to power and love of fate while living as a chronically ill hermit, moving from boarding house to boarding house, is the ultimate tragedy of idealism. He created a philosophy of supreme strength precisely because he was physically weak.

Both Nietzsche and Mishima were victims of their own ideals. Their physical realities could never match the heroic fantasies they constructed in their minds. Aspiring to an ideal is fine, but losing touch with reality in an attempt to force your life into a poetic abstraction is not praxis; it is, quite simply, self-inflicted madness.