Ibutamoren (Need highqcells)

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Ive realised that mk-677 has been a well talked about topic on the org so im gonna try to keep my questions short.
1. If growth plates are open; would mk677 realistically cause (even a little) growth in height without negative feedback or too many sides.
Thinking logically extra growth hormone would mean extra growth but theres been alot of discussion about early epiphyseal plate closure due to excess aromatisation and the sleep benefits help.
2. Will Mk677 cause even slight facial bone growth?
I realise that mk677 is kinda cope and Hgh, igf etc are way better options for height and test and tren for facial bone growth but im not retarded enough to stoop to that level yet so oral's it it.
My questions really come down to one thing and thats if its worth it.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

@BonesmashFinalBoss

 

[BonesmashFinalBoss]

@BonesmashFinalBoss

@copercel123 tag ya boys and shit, we have some work to attend to

 

[skullmog]

Ive realised that mk-677 has been a well talked about topic on the org so im gonna try to keep my questions short.
1. If growth plates are open; would mk677 realistically cause (even a little) growth in height without negative feedback or too many sides.
Thinking logically extra growth hormone would mean extra growth but theres been alot of discussion about early epiphyseal plate closure due to excess aromatisation and the sleep benefits help.
2. Will Mk677 cause even slight facial bone growth?
I realise that mk677 is kinda cope and Hgh, igf etc are way better options for height and test and tren for facial bone growth but im not retarded enough to stoop to that level yet so oral's it it.
My questions really come down to one thing and thats if its worth it.

all no

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

@copercel123 tag ya boys and shit, we have some work to attend to
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vinlandsaga peak

 

[copercel123]

@copercel123 tag ya boys and shit, we have some work to attend to
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it won’t feel the same as with David the dullard

 

[BonesmashFinalBoss]

it won’t feel the same as with David the dullard

Cmon niggaaaaaaa

 

[copercel123]

Cmon niggaaaaaaa

Nigga what do I even suppose to do?

 

[BonesmashFinalBoss]

Nigga what do I even suppose to do?

The same shit y'all niggas did last time? Like what? Don't play dumb now lil bro

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

The same shit y'all niggas did last time? Like what? Don't play dumb now lil bro

are you gonna rape me

 

[copercel123]

The same shit y'all niggas did last time? Like what? Don't play dumb now lil bro

But we started roasting him beacuse he was a dickhead. But yeah let’s see

 

[copercel123]

Ive realised that mk-677 has been a well talked about topic on the org so im gonna try to keep my questions short.
1. If growth plates are open; would mk677 realistically cause (even a little) growth in height without negative feedback or too many sides.
Thinking logically extra growth hormone would mean extra growth but theres been alot of discussion about early epiphyseal plate closure due to excess aromatisation and the sleep benefits help.
2. Will Mk677 cause even slight facial bone growth?
I realise that mk677 is kinda cope and Hgh, igf etc are way better options for height and test and tren for facial bone growth but im not retarded enough to stoop to that level yet so oral's it it.
My questions really come down to one thing and thats if it’s worth it.

Mk677 is shit @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @kazama @jeff1234

 

[BonesmashFinalBoss]

are you gonna rape me

Not me specifically, but I did call a rapist on you who might do that I have to admit

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Not me specifically, but I did call a rapist on you who might do that I have to admit

Whyy

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Mk677 is shit @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @kazama @jeff1234

Is it better than taking nothing

 

[copercel123]

Is it better than taking nothing

No. Unless you want diabetes

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

No. Unless you want diabetes

But thats only if you eat like a retard so in that case taking it while not overconsuming carbs will reap benefits

 

[copercel123]

But thats only if you eat like a retard so in that case taking it while not overconsuming carbs will reap benefits

Fucking jfl here we go again @kazama .

So no, it doesn’t relative to what you eat, beacuse MK 677 isn’t just GH secretguague it’s a ghrelin mimetic. Ghrelin itself promotes fat gain, insulin resistance, and carb cravings, regardless of your willpower.
Chronic GH/IGF 1 spikes from MK also reduce insulin sensitivity and shift nutrient partitioning toward fat storage, even without overeating.
It’s not just about eating ‘like a retard.’ It’s about not understanding endocrinology like one.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Fucking jfl here we go again @kazama .

So no, it doesn’t relative to what you eat, beacuse MK 677 isn’t just GH secretguague it’s a ghrelin mimetic. Ghrelin itself promotes fat gain, insulin resistance, and carb cravings, regardless of your willpower.
Chronic GH/IGF 1 spikes from MK also reduce insulin sensitivity and shift nutrient partitioning toward fat storage, even without overeating.
It’s not just about eating ‘like a retard.’ It’s about not understanding endocrinology like one.

How does ghrelin itself promote fat gain ? And if your point is that Gh and Igf cause insulin sensitivity then injecting has the same effect, also doesnt Gh induce lipolysis? You're basically contradicting yourself by saying Ghrelin itself causes fat gain and carb cravings ''regardless'' of my willpower.

 

[copercel123]

How does ghrelin itself promote fat gain ? And if your point is that Gh and Igf cause insulin sensitivity then injecting has the same effect, also doesnt Gh induce lipolysis? You're basically contradicting yourself by saying Ghrelin itself causes fat gain and carb cravings ''regardless'' of my willpower.

You’re conflating acute vs. chronic effects and ignoring compartmental signaling.

Ghrelin isn’t just hunger, it activates fat storing pathways, lowers leptin sensitivity, and drives carb seeking via dopamine. Chronic elevation = pro-fat gain, even without overeating.
GH is lipolytic short term. But chronic GH/IGF-1 from MK-677 = insulin resistance, worse nutrient partitioning, and visceral fat gain.
GH injections = short pulse. MK = 24/7 spike. Huge difference.

Willpower can’t override hormonal signaling. That’s basic endocrinology.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

You’re conflating acute vs. chronic effects and ignoring compartmental signaling.

Ghrelin isn’t just hunger, it activates fat storing pathways, lowers leptin sensitivity, and drives carb seeking via dopamine. Chronic elevation = pro-fat gain, even without overeating.
GH is lipolytic short term. But chronic GH/IGF-1 from MK-677 = insulin resistance, worse nutrient partitioning, and visceral fat gain.
GH injections = short pulse. MK = 24/7 spike. Huge difference.

Willpower can’t override hormonal signaling. That’s basic endocrinology.

dnr because no one is gonna take mk long enough to get chronic sides

 

[copercel123]

dnr because no one is gonna take mk long enough to get chronic sides

So now the cope is ‘bro no one takes it long enough’? MK’s chronic sides start showing in weeks, not years.
Studies show insulin resistance and increased fat mass in as little as 2–4 weeks, even under controlled calories. This isn’t some mythical long term danger. It’s literally why people stop using it early: bloat, hunger, fat gain, and worse pumps.
You thought you were flexing knowledge but just admitted you’ve never run it long enough, or paid attention when you did.

MK 677 isn’t a cheat code. It’s a trap for midwits who think they’re smarter than their endocrine system.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

So now the cope is ‘bro no one takes it long enough’? MK’s chronic sides start showing in weeks, not years.
Studies show insulin resistance and increased fat mass in as little as 2–4 weeks, even under controlled calories. This isn’t some mythical long term danger. It’s literally why people stop using it early: bloat, hunger, fat gain, and worse pumps.
You thought you were flexing knowledge but just admitted you’ve never run it long enough, or paid attention when you did.

MK 677 isn’t a cheat code. It’s a trap for midwits who think they’re smarter than their endocrine system.

Could you link that study im interested and fat gain is because most people use it when they bulk maximising the effects of ghrelin on their appetite at the end of the day you cant gain fat if you dont eat in a surplus those ''controlled calories'' were either not controlled or in a surplus relative to their basal metabolic rate. Most people who take mk will use it for about 8-12 weeks which isnt long enough to cause permanent issues unless you're really unlucky but that chance is low enough for most people to risk it. And how can you use the argument that people stop taking it because they gain more hunger when the literal point of mk677 is mimicking a hormone that causes hunger. Bloat starts going away the moment you stop taking it.
As for the insulin resistance you can counter that by using a blood glucose monitor and stop taking it when you see a significant change, not everyone responds the same so if you are unlucky the worst thing that happens is you waste your money.
And im not ''flexing'' knowledge i literally asked for help in the first place im just trying to understand better by explaining why some of your points dont make alot of sense.

 

[copercel123]

Could you link that study im interested and fat gain is because most people use it when they bulk maximising the effects of ghrelin on their appetite at the end of the day you cant gain fat if you dont eat in a surplus those ''controlled calories'' were either not controlled or in a surplus relative to their basal metabolic rate. Most people who take mk will use it for about 8-12 weeks which isnt long enough to cause permanent issues unless you're really unlucky but that chance is low enough for most people to risk it. And how can you use the argument that people stop taking it because they gain more hunger when the literal point of mk677 is mimicking a hormone that causes hunger. Bloat starts going away the moment you stop taking it.
As for the insulin resistance you can counter that by using a blood glucose monitor and stop taking it when you see a significant change, not everyone responds the same so if you are unlucky the worst thing that happens is you waste your money.
And im not ''flexing'' knowledge i literally asked for help in the first place im just trying to understand better by explaining why some of your points dont make alot of sense.

Fazeli et al., 2008 – MK-677 increased fat mass and insulin resistance in healthy adults within 8 weeks. Diet was monitored and controlled. No bulking, no “eating like a retard”, still saw metabolic decline.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18430778


You’re right that you can’t gain weight without a surplus. But you can get worse nutrient partitioning, higher fasting glucose, and reduced insulin sensitivity ,even at maintenance. Chronic IGF 1 and ghrelin signaling cause that. It’s not just about calories in vs out, it’s where they’re going.
Ghrelin isn’t meant to be chronically elevated. MK gives you 24/7 ghrelin like stimulation, which dysregulates leptin and dopamine signaling. Appetite isn’t the only issue, neurohormonal satiety feedback gets distorted, which can lead to rebound eating after cessation too
As for the bloat sure, it fades post cycle. But most people bail on MK because it doesn’t deliver a clean GH effect unless you stack it with insulin sensitizers and strict glycemic control. Otherwise you’re bloated, hungrier, with worse pumps and potentially fatter.
Yeah, you can monitor glucose. But then you’re running a compound that forces you into a diagnostic mindset just to avoid turning prediabetic, for what? Slightly better sleep and maybe a placebo on recovery?

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Fazeli et al., 2008 – MK-677 increased fat mass and insulin resistance in healthy adults within 8 weeks. Diet was monitored and controlled. No bulking, no “eating like a retard”, still saw metabolic decline.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18430778


You’re right that you can’t gain weight without a surplus. But you can get worse nutrient partitioning, higher fasting glucose, and reduced insulin sensitivity ,even at maintenance. Chronic IGF 1 and ghrelin signaling cause that. It’s not just about calories in vs out, it’s where they’re going.
Ghrelin isn’t meant to be chronically elevated. MK gives you 24/7 ghrelin like stimulation, which dysregulates leptin and dopamine signaling. Appetite isn’t the only issue, neurohormonal satiety feedback gets distorted, which can lead to rebound eating after cessation too
As for the bloat sure, it fades post cycle. But most people bail on MK because it doesn’t deliver a clean GH effect unless you stack it with insulin sensitizers and strict glycemic control. Otherwise you’re bloated, hungrier, with worse pumps and potentially fatter.
Yeah, you can monitor glucose. But then you’re running a compound that forces you into a diagnostic mindset just to avoid turning prediabetic, for what? Slightly better sleep and maybe a placebo on recovery?

well then what do you recommend instead

 

[copercel123]

well then what do you recommend instead

Ghrp6, cjc dac, ipamorelin,tesamorelin.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Ghrp6, cjc dac, ipamorelin,tesamorelin.

i was thinking Cjc dac with ipamorelin is it really worth it ? what do you estimate the costs at

 

[copercel123]

i was thinking Cjc dac with ipamorelin is it really worth it ? what do you estimate the costs at

Cjc dac with ipamorelin is great.

Idk the costs realy beacuse I never used it but it’s not realy expensive except for the tesamorelin.

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Cjc dac with ipamorelin is great.

Idk the costs realy beacuse I never used it but it’s not realy expensive except for the tesamorelin.

Is cjc dac, ipa alone enough? Or do you recommend something else added i dont have alot of money so the less the better but if theres something that increase results alot id do it. Also do you need to refrigerate cjc and ipa or can you leave it out.

 

[copercel123]

Is cjc dac, ipa alone enough? Or do you recommend something else added i dont have alot of money so the less the better but if theres something that increase results alot id do it. Also do you need to refrigerate cjc and ipa or can you leave it out.

It should be enough, especially if your a poorcel

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

It should be enough, especially if your a poorcel

Recommended dose and cycle duration?

 

[copercel123]

Recommended dose and cycle duration?

Cjc dac:5 mg per week,

Ipamorelin: 1 mg daily

14 weeks on 4 weeks off

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Cjc dac:5 mg per week,

Ipamorelin: 1 mg daily

14 weeks on 4 weeks off

That shits expensive im coming to around 250 euros a month u got a good source for me

 

[copercel123]

That shits expensive im coming to around 250 euros a month u got a good source for me

Find yourself something that good for you

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Find yourself something that good for you

alr just gonna work ig how much u expect me to grow from this

 

[copercel123]

alr just gonna work ig how much u expect me to grow from this

What your age and are you still in puberty ?

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

What your age and are you still in puberty ?

17 getting an xray next monday but i started puberty at late 14 early 15 and my dad said he kept growing till 26 (hes 188cm) Although my mom is 150cm im 178cm

 

[copercel123]

17 getting an xray next monday but i started puberty at late 14 early 15 and my dad said he kept growing till 26 (hes 188cm) Although my mom is 150cm im 178cm

Wait for the xray, but seem great tbh, good potential. And your already kinda tall

 

[Bonesmashmaxxer]

Wait for the xray, but seem great tbh, good potential. And your already kinda tall

Alr ill keep you updated

 

[kazama]

Mk677 is shit @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @kazama @jeff1234

Fucking jfl here we go again @kazama .

So no, it doesn’t relative to what you eat, beacuse MK 677 isn’t just GH secretguague it’s a ghrelin mimetic. Ghrelin itself promotes fat gain, insulin resistance, and carb cravings, regardless of your willpower.
Chronic GH/IGF 1 spikes from MK also reduce insulin sensitivity and shift nutrient partitioning toward fat storage, even without overeating.
It’s not just about eating ‘like a retard.’ It’s about not understanding endocrinology like one.

Crazy, if u make a thread u would probably get several reps from greys like that
"muuuh mk" like, THE SIMPLEST MECHANISM TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY DONT LOOK FOR IT

 

[kazama]

Is it better than taking nothing

yes and no, I still think that putting some peptides in the middle could enhance
Ofc, thats if u're poor like me.
And dont think that this will do miracles for ur bone structure jfl

 

[kazama]

Is cjc dac, ipa alone enough? Or do you recommend something else added i dont have alot of money so the less the better but if theres something that increase results alot id do it. Also do you need to refrigerate cjc and ipa or can you leave it out.

Cjc dac:5 mg per week,

Ipamorelin: 1 mg daily

14 weeks on 4 weeks off

Cjc dac with ipamorelin is great.

Idk the costs realy beacuse I never used it but it’s not realy expensive except for the tesamorelin.

aaaaah i hate my country, probably that shit is expensive here
I'll buy from China tbh

 

[copercel123]

aaaaah i hate my country, probably that shit is expensive here
I'll buy from China tbh

Why is it hard to get stuff into Brazil?

 

[BlendedBlade]

It will def raise gh and igf-1, but will it help with height?

Maximize genetic potential? - Yeah
Going over genetic potential? - Probably not

 

[BlendedBlade]

And test with tren won’t grow your facial bones esp after puberty it comes down to genetics

 

[kazama]

Why is it hard to get stuff into Brazil?

very expensive, I'll just give one example
Minimum wage in my country: 1,400 in dollars: 280
High quality: 1.800/3.600 for 100ui in dollars 800/2.000
Average quality: 900/1.500 for 100ui in dollars 150/300
Low quality: 400/800 for 100ui in dollars 80/150 (depending on the job, u might start at 6 in the morning and leave at 5 or 6 in the afternoon)
Btw the dollar was very expensive and the president prohibited us from seeing the price of the dollar jfl so Idk what the current price is
Not to mention that everyday meat is very expensive, so eating a lot of meat is difficult
And like, Im not a "poor" asf, but compared to others here I am
If I were to do a cycle I would probably have to use Chinese products and still save money on the cycle, I got the price list from a "company" here and I don't know if they are good prices
Apart from exams etc...its over

 

[copercel123]

very expensive, I'll just give one example
Minimum wage in my country: 1,400 in dollars: 280
High quality: 1.800/3.600 for 100ui in dollars 800/2.000
Average quality: 900/1.500 for 100ui in dollars 150/300
Low quality: 400/800 for 100ui in dollars 80/150 (depending on the job, u might start at 6 in the morning and leave at 5 or 6 in the afternoon)
Btw the dollar was very expensive and the president prohibited us from seeing the price of the dollar jfl so Idk what the current price is
Not to mention that everyday meat is very expensive, so eating a lot of meat is difficult
And like, Im not a "poor" asf, but compared to others here I am
If I were to do a cycle I would probably have to use Chinese products and still save money on the cycle, I got the price list from a "company" here and I don't know if they are good prices
Apart from exams etc...its over

Over. Just get educated and geomax

 

[kazama]

Over. Just get educated and geomax

only solution
my country politically is hilarious broh, the previous president was a bit of a fascist jfl and now there is a pro communism
research his scandals, u simply wont believe it.

 

[copercel123]

only solution
my country politically is hilarious broh, the previous president was a bit of a fascist jfl and now there is a pro communism
research his scandals, u simply wont believe it.

Pro communism?!?! Damn didn’t knew that, be safe

 

[kazama]

Pro communism?!?! Damn didn’t knew that, be safe

yeah, and before that he was in jail. He made a scandal of billions or trillions idk
He came back and simply won. The most ethnic part of country voted for him