Ideal forward growth and how to find it (question)

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How do you find the ideal forward growth? ive heard that chin in line with brown ridge is ideal, but what about the space between? How forward is too forward with the maxilla?
 
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How forward is too forward with the maxilla?
coceancig line is the highest end point. more advanced than that would make you look like a dog.
 
here is a guideline ;


 
coceancig line is the highest end point. more advanced than that would make you look like a dog.
I feel like it’s a few mm behind for prettyboys however
 
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I feel like it’s a few mm behind for prettyboys however
prettyboys have giant lips to cover up in general. if they had thinner lips, they would need more forward growth.
 
How do you find the ideal forward growth? ive heard that chin in line with brown ridge is ideal, but what about the space between? How forward is too forward with the maxilla?
the problem with that is that your browridge could be recessed too. It could be so recessed that the harmony argument won't work as your jaws would line up but still look terrible due to the lack of forward growth. That is my case tbh :feelswhy:
 

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