Ideal Society

[billions]

Innovate and hand the world to superintelligence

lost the plot

 

[discord m0d]

Remove the state and all the laws

@Lemur @LXR @mohito we should all become anarchists

Norway has excellent incentives for women to have children. Yet birth rate is low. The desored number of children for Norwegian women is 2.4 but actual children are 1.4. Biggest reason is the "lack of viable partners". Also most of the reduction in birth rates is because of reduction in early pregnancies in almost every developed country. People choose to couple late and have children later. By that time the reproductive window is tight

your forgetting that rich people capitalise on norway's hypergamy

 

[LXR]

lost the plot

Mankind is inherently unequal. Superintelligence will solve this. The Universe tends towards the most efficient entropy generating entities. Superintelligence is the natural stage of progress in the Universal timescale

 

[mohito]

we should all become anarchists

Yeah fuck the state lol

 

[Lemur]

@Lemur thoughts

social democrasy always regresses due to their rejection of class dynamics

2007 sweden removed their wealth tax

and since then, more pro-bourgise laws have been put in place

we need a worker owned government

 

[LXR]

@Lemur @LXR @mohito we should all become anarchists


your forgetting that people capitalise on norway's hypergamy

Reproduction is unequal. Would you want to stake your future at the hands of women ?

 

[billions]

Accelerationism is the only answer. Whether you as man live in a patriarchial society or an egalitarian one, you will always be an expendable serf. No amount of muh equality will ever tip the scales of reproduction in men's favor. Your job is to die in the meat grinder. If thats what you like, its because you are brainwashed into doing so.

This is only true if you try and argue that there's no god, this is like basic Nietzsche and marxism im pretty sure (even though Marx was wrong about communism) when you live in a world without god you have no purpose other than to try your hardest to exercise your power over others, this is what's happening now with ai.

 

[discord m0d]

Reproducrion is unequal. Would you want to stake your future at the hands of women ?

if i were into them as much as i used to before getting blackpilled, probably yes.

your not realising that you see women the way you do because of how the capitalists shaped them
@Lemur @mohito

 

[billions]

Mankind is inherently unequal. Superintelligence will solve this. The Universe tends towards the most efficient entropy generating entities. Superintelligence is the natural stage of progress in the Universal timescale

this is just poo poo false intellectual thought as a consequence of denying god

 

[Lemur]

if i were into them as much as i used to before getting blackpilled, probably yes.

im not quite blackpilled- still a redpilled coper tbh

your not realising that you see women the way you do because of how the capitalists shaped them
@Lemur @mohito

100% agree

 

[LXR]

this is just poo poo false intellectual thought as a consequence of denying god

God is a lie created to convince men to die in the battlefield. Dues Vult seems cool today, but think of how many men lost their lives because they chose to listen to some Pope telling them to risk their lives for some Divine Right. Nah fuck that, I do not exist to serve as a slave of the powerful

 

[discord m0d]

bumo

 

[LXR]

if i were into them as much as i used to before getting blackpilled, probably yes.

your not realising that you see women the way you do because of how the capitalists shaped them
@Lemur @mohito

Its about reality, egg is rarer than sperm. Or did captalists inject men with billions of sperm ?

 

[billions]

God is a lie created to convince men to die in the battlefield. Dues Vult seems cool today, but think of how many men lost their lives because they chose to listen to some Pope telling them to risk their lives for some Divine Right. Nah fuck that, I do not exist to serve as a slave of the powerful

whatever way you try and develop a connection to god is your own right, you don't have to follow late stage christianity but to say that man doesn't have a natural yearning for god is a lie imo, from mans earliest form of communication there have been clear connections to forms of god.

 

[LXR]

This is only true if you try and argue that there's no god, this is like basic Nietzsche and marxism im pretty sure (even though Marx was wrong about communism) when you live in a world without god you have no purpose other than to try your hardest to exercise your power over others, this is what's happening now with ai.

The purpose of mankind is to leave this world with a progeny that is better than them. Mankind will go extinct either today or after a couple million years. It is our duty to leave the world with a better species than us. That is called creating meaning in the absence of God

 

[discord m0d]

Its about reality, egg is rarer than sperm. Or did captalists inject men with billions of sperm ?

thats not my point, if there's a family, men would want to work harder to provide for them.

under your system, what would stop dudes from being depressed and ending it?

 

[billions]

The purpose of mankind is to leave this world with a progeny that is better than them. Mankind will go extinct either today or after a couple million years. It is our duty to leave the world with a better species than us. That is called creating meaning in the absence of God

"The purpose of mankind is to leave this world with a progeny that is better than them" based on what? You have to give a purpose behind an idea.

 

[LXR]

whatever way you try and develop a connection to god is your own right, you don't have to follow late stage christianity but to say that man doesn't have a natural yearning for god is a lie imo, from mans earliest form of communication there have been clear connections to forms of god.

It is Anthropomorphic Exceptionalism to think there is someone above you that created you, that is responsible. It absolves man of the wonders and horrors of the true Divine that is his mind.

 

[LXR]

"The purpose of mankind is to leave this world with a progeny that is better than them" based on what? You have to give a purpose behind an idea.

Based on entropy production

 

[LXR]

thats not my point, if there's a family, men would want to work harder to provide for them.

under your system, what would stop dudes from being depressed and ending it?

Did you not read the post ? I explicitly said to decouple men's sex drive and family drive from their drive to work hard and innovate. Thats like the first point dude

 

[billions]

It is Anthropomorphic Exceptionalism to think there is someone above you that created you, that is responsible. It absolves man of the wonders and horrors of the true Divine that is his mind.

This idea would make sense if there wasn't strong consensus against it, do you not believe that the events of Jesus Christ actually happened? What is its answer to the conception of the universe? Do you not think that humans possess genetic traits which are many orders of magnitude greater than the closest mammal in similarity? Do you not agree that a species ability to grasp stimuli comes with a sense of superiority over others?

 

[LXR]

This idea would make sense if there wasn't strong consensus against it, do you not believe that the events of Jesus Christ actually happened? What is its answer to the conception of the universe? Do you not think that humans possess genetic traits which are many orders of magnitude greater than the closest mammal in similarity? Do you not agree that a species ability to grasp stimuli comes with a sense of superiority over others?

Jesus Christ existed but there is no concrete historical record as to the specific stories about him. Humans possess greater brainpower due to larger brains and greater endurance thanks to our ability to sweat. We possess the unique ability to fold our thumbs that helps us throw projectiles more accurately than any other ape. We are bipedal creatures. All this is an evolution from our Great Ape family. The problem of conciousness cannot be solved by invoking God when people cant even explain what qualia is. Most theologians didnt even know what qualia is when they were writing their texts. The Ontological argument for God doesnt make any sense. The theists have never asserted properly why it is necessary for the Umiverse must have a start. That represents a fundamental misunderstanding of Physics. Nor do they assert why if anything the buck stops with God. Why is God the start, why not something before Him ?

 

[discord m0d]

Did you not read the post ? I explicitly said to decouple men's sex drive and family drive from their drive to work hard and innovate. Thats like the first point dude

what would a mans purpose be if he cannot have a family to support?

even if you take his sex drive away, for something that goes against our biology to this extent, you would need to do a fuck ton of studies on its safety and efficacy which probably won't go in your favour due to it going against our nature this much.
@Lemur

 

[Lemur]

what would a mans purpose be if he cannot have a family to support?

i think its conditioned its inert desire is to raise a family- not that its biological

even if you take his sex drive away, for something that goes against our biology to this extent, you would need to do a fuck ton of studies on its safety and efficacy which probably won't go in your favour due to it going against our to this extent
@Lemur

 

[kisslessvirgin]

I preferred @Saint Casanova 's version of the thread

 

[LXR]

what would a mans purpose be if he cannot have a family to support?

even if you take his sex drive away, for something that goes against our biology to this extent, you would need to do a fuck ton of studies on its safety and efficacy which probably won't go in your favour due to it going against our to this extent
@Lemur

Thats why its written to be almost impossible. Maybe we can replace it with Nationalism, maybe we can replace it with something else. None of this easy, just like going to the Moon was not. Look how French Nationalism replaced the Catholic Church. The people are still the same. They just pledge allegiance to a different narrative. Previously it was the King granted rule by Divine Right. Now its the Nation State that is elected but in reality its the same upper class competing for elections

 

[LXR]

I preferred @Saint Casanova 's version of the thread

I didnt know it existed

 

[discord m0d]

Thats why its written to be almost impossible. Maybe we can replace it with Nationalism, maybe we can replace it with something else. None of this easy, just like going to the Moon was not. Look how French Nationalism replaced the Catholic Church. The people are still the same. They just pledge allegiance to a different narrative. Previously it was the King granted rule by Divine Right. Now its the Nation State that is elected but in reality its the same upper class competing for elections

mirin scifi maxxing

 

[discord m0d]

What would your realistic worldview be?

 

[LXR]

mirin scifi maxxing

I dont think this society would ever exist because I have written in the post, it is all verging on impossible and it needs to happen one after the other. But thats why it is ideal.

 

[LXR]

What would your realistic worldview be?

That AI is going to eat your job if you are not in healthcare, and its going to do it pretty soon

 

[discord m0d]

That AI is going to eat your job if you are not in healthcare, and its going to do it pretty soon

what about the trades
like being a electrican

 

[discord m0d]

That AI is going to eat your job if you are not in healthcare, and its going to do it pretty soon

there probably trying to replace us this much to reduce the world population

theres no way there doing it jsut for money, they already have way more then they will ever need

 

[LXR]

what about the trades
like being a electrican

It will get replaced later. The bottleneck is battery life and density. The fine motor control and software are progressing extremely quickly. The hardware scaling and costs thereof are the bigger issue