If body is the least important thing for SMV, why roid?

[Matrix88]

Genuine question I have. We all know height and face are the most important thing, then frame and then body.

So why use roids that will descend u just for gains that only other men care about?? I don't get it, most friends I have that slay don't even go to the gym lmao

 

[shouldiusehgh]

decent and easily acheivable halo

 

[Matrix88]

decent and easily acheivable halo

but is it worth it?

LTN will stay LTN no matter his body, HTN will keep being HTN so his body never mattered

 

[shouldiusehgh]

but is it worth it?

LTN will stay LTN no matter his body, HTN will keep being HTN so his body never mattered

i honestly dont know
my friend with a hella good build gets hella slays with very attractive women despite being hmtn and around 5,7
so it seems like an extremely good halo in his case

 

[Matrix88]

i honestly dont know
my friend with a hella good build gets hella slays with very attractive women despite being hmtn and around 5,7
so it seems like an extremely good halo in his case

is he roided?

Do you think that if he was just lean without gym he would've gotten those slays or not? Be honest

 

[shouldiusehgh]

is he roided?

Do you think that if he was just lean without gym he would've gotten those slays or not? Be honest

no natty
nah prob not like not at the level he is with the body halo

 

[Revan]

physique is the least important but still very important

plus other positive facial benefits from androgens

 

[Matrix88]

physique is the least important but still very important

plus other positive facial benefits from androgens

is it very important?? Or is it just a halo for already good looking tall guys

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

physique is quite literally ur sex appeal for women

anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded

i get rated ltn mtn here all the time and i slay every weekend anyway with girls grabbing my arms and getting horny and shit like jfl

i am tall and that helps but i didnt get shit when i was a tall skinny incel

 

[Revan]

is it very important?? Or is it just a halo for already good looking tall guys

you can have a good physique and still be ugly and short, but its mostly a halo for tall guys

 

[Revan]

physique is quite literally ur sex appeal for women

anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded

i get rated ltn mtn here all the time and i slay every weekend anyway with girls grabbing my arms and getting horny and shit like jfl

i am tall and that helps but i didnt get shit when i was a tall skinny incel

youre chad nigga

 

[Matrix88]

i am tall and that helps but i didnt get shit when i was a tall skinny incel

u are MTN+ and tall...

niggas nowadays are so out of touch lmao

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

youre chad nigga

thanks nigga but objectively no if we're meaning pure psl facial ratings

what i can say is that i managed to increase my SMV from incel to chad without any hardmaxxing at all

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

niggas nowadays are so out of touch lmao

JoinedJan 22, 2026

i know multiple people your height who slay very hard and it has never held them back even once

whats worse than being short is having ur piss for brains mental that wont even try to change ur situation man. you have to see it that way

 

[Matrix88]

thanks nigga but objectively no if we're meaning pure psl facial ratings

what i can say is that i managed to increase my SMV from incel to chad without any hardmaxxing at all

yea I get it, but looking lean and muscular as a manlet looks goofy or just not interesting at all

 

[Matrix88]

JoinedJan 22, 2026

i know multiple people your height who slay very hard and it has never held them back even once

whats worse than being short is having ur piss for brains mental that wont even try to change ur situation man. you have to see it that way

Bigger fish theory always fucks up with my brain

Why do anything if there are people out there doing it better or being praised without even doing anything

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

yea I get it, but looking lean and muscular as a manlet looks goofy or just not interesting at all

you have the ability to tailor your physique to ur ideal aesthetic to a certain extent

its impossible that you could ever accidentally get too jacked, this is a problem a lot of people would wish to have (EVEN WITH ROIDING)


just dont be a bloatmaxxed powerlifter looking fuck and obtain a nice lean physique with some delts, abs, chest, and not too big of legs and youll look great

 

[Revan]

thanks nigga but objectively no if we're meaning pure psl facial ratings

what i can say is that i managed to increase my SMV from incel to chad without any hardmaxxing at all

you used to be really fucking ugly and now youre really good looking + youre tall + you have an insane physique

youre the biggest inspiration bhai

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

you used to be really fucking ugly and now youre really good looking + youre tall + you have an insane physique

youre the biggest inspiration bhai

thanks brah <3

i do believe that we in this community tend to forget about people like Zyzz though. the message he spread and his advice towards ascension and lifemaxxing literally works better than a lot of the negativity and genetic determinism you see going around here a lot

so its not even to look at me or him as a specific inspiration but moreso the message to take away is that you should never give up and try really fucking hard in life, so hard that the trying could only end with your death

 

[Revan]

thanks brah <3

i do believe that we in this community tend to forget about people like Zyzz though. the message he spread and his advice towards ascension and lifemaxxing literally works better than a lot of the negativity and genetic determinism you see going around here a lot

so its not even to look at me or him as a specific inspiration but moreso the message to take away is that you should never give up and try really fucking hard in life, so hard that the trying could only end with your death

you are both massive inspirations, both to me and this community as a whole

 

[Matrix88]

you have the ability to tailor your physique to ur ideal aesthetic to a certain extent

its impossible that you could ever accidentally get too jacked, this is a problem a lot of people would wish to have (EVEN WITH ROIDING)


just dont be a bloatmaxxed powerlifter looking fuck and obtain a nice lean physique with some delts, abs, chest, and not too big of legs and youll look great

do all that for a tall guy like u to talk to the same foid I'm talking to and steal it from me

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

do all that for a tall guy like u to talk to the same foid I'm talking to and steal it from me

then the foid jumps to the next guy who mogs that new one

that mentality literally only causes you pain and holds u back from achieving the life u dream of

literally goes in a never ending cycle u have to realize that bro.... rich niggas and chads get cheated on all the time

there are loyal women out there believe it or not. a cheater will cheat on you regardless of how high ur SMV is. a loyal woman wouldn't cheat on you even if your smv is low

thats the truth

 

[Matrix88]

then the foid jumps to the next guy who mogs that new one

that mentality literally only causes you pain and holds u back from achieving the life u dream of

literally goes in a never ending cycle u have to realize that bro.... rich niggas and chads get cheated on all the time

there are loyal women out there believe it or not. a cheater will cheat on you regardless of how high ur SMV is. a loyal woman wouldn't cheat on you even if your smv is low

thats the truth

I know it's a bad mindset, but I can't stop thinking about it

The foid I was talking to last year basically cucked me with a MTN tall guy at a party. She was a fat LTB I tried to hit on because I mogged her lmao

I feel like giving up everyday because of my height. I have a friend who's LTN but 6'2 and he slayed a hot MTB. I facially mog him, but I'm a kid compared to him cause he's tall and I'm short

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

The foid I was talking to last year basically cucked me with a MTN tall guy at a party. She was a fat LTB I tried to hit on because I mogged her lmao

I feel like giving up everyday because of my height.

do not let some fat LTB whore be the reason you give up on yourself


ascend, mog them all, or die trying

 

[Matrix88]

do not let some fat LTB whore be the reason you give up on yourself


ascend, mog them all, or die trying

I'm 100% sure I would've slayed her if I was 6'0+

how can I not be depressed about a LTB whore rejecting me. That only means I will never date my looksmatch lmao

 

[Matrix88]

I'm 100% sure I would've slayed her if I was 6'0+

how can I not be depressed about a LTB whore rejecting me. That only means I will never date my looksmatch lmao

maybe I gotta become MSTOW

 

[chrisangeler]

Genuine question I have. We all know height and face are the most important thing, then frame and then body.

So why use roids that will descend u just for gains that only other men care about?? I don't get it, most friends I have that slay don't even go to the gym lmao

why not improve everything you can? height and face are much harder to change than body so it just seems like a much easier solution

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

I'm 100% sure I would've slayed her if I was 6'0+

how can I not be depressed about a LTB whore rejecting me. That only means I will never date my looksmatch lmao

ive actually found that ltb and mtb whores are the most vile wretched evil creatures of them all


better looking girls are unironically more pleasant to be around and less hypergamous (since they dont get tossed aside by chads nearly as much as ltbs and mtbs, which take the frustration of the constant failed attempts of chad treating them as human out on other men)


dont let it get to ur head man its just one stupid whore and there are gonna be a lot of them. just dgaf, call em a dumb whore, on to the next lol

 

[ltnchang]

Genuine question I have. We all know height and face are the most important thing, then frame and then body.

So why use roids that will descend u just for gains that only other men care about?? I don't get it, most friends I have that slay don't even go to the gym lmao

Least important but it also improves dimorphism which is one if the most important factors

 

[bluebandz]

Genuine question I have. We all know height and face are the most important thing, then frame and then body.

So why use roids that will descend u just for gains that only other men care about?? I don't get it, most friends I have that slay don't even go to the gym lmao

because it’s not the least important and even if it is it’s still impoetant
and roids usually don’t descend u

 

[stacyslayer77]

but is it worth it?

LTN will stay LTN no matter his body, HTN will keep being HTN so his body never mattered

couldn’t agree more. gymcel culture is way too ignorant