If God “isn’t real” why are we here?

[surgerymaxxingsoon]

T

 

[Bugmaxxed]

are you even a real person?

 

[Acquiescence]

An unfortunate byproduct of evolution; to suffer and die

 

[Johan]

we will never know, there might be a god out there. But i dont think its any of the gods that have been shown to us

i dont think a god would create us just to get our validation for his extincence

 

[dogpound]

Evolution? Fuck else

 

[asdvek]

 

[surgerymaxxingsoon]

are you even a real person?

Mommy Reze

 

[wewuzaryans134]

which god?

 

[Bugmaxxed]

Mommy Reze

Yes

 

[batman1997]

The bible IS a MAN made BOOk

 

[whorehater]

T

the same reason as ur avi lol

 

[BelgradeSlayer]

Troof is we'll never know, stop overthinking

 

[curtisjoneslover]

The bible IS a MAN made BOOk

man made book? the book of revelation was sent by god and the gospels account gods life in human flesh

 

[ZyzzBrah]

I do believe in god, I just dont believe its the same god seen in some of these major religions.

 

[curtisjoneslover]

christ is king glory to god

 

[batman1997]

man made book? the book of revelation was sent by god and the gospels account gods life in human flesh

Ok brother believe what you want

 

[whorehater]

man made book? the book of revelation was sent by god and the gospels account gods life in human flesh

a book just fell from the sky, very believable

 

[curtisjoneslover]

Ok brother believe what you want

the life of jesus is one of histories most verified facts, even by athiest scholars

 

[curtisjoneslover]

a book just fell from the sky, very believable

god told john what to write

 

[batman1997]

the life of jesus is one of histories most verified facts, even by athiest scholars

I never said he wasnt real I infact do believe in a "god" to be exact im agnostic but im just stating facts

 

[whorehater]

god told john what to write

why exactly john tho

 

[curtisjoneslover]

I never said he wasnt real I infact do believe in a "god" to be exact im agnostic but im just stating facts

read revelation, it predicts the modern day

 

[Mainlander]

man made book? the book of revelation was sent by god and the gospels account gods life in human flesh

 

[kranerman23123]

Emergence or some shit is what an atheist would say

 

[curtisjoneslover]

why exactly john tho

he witnessed jesus

 

[whorehater]

he witnessed jesus

was he the only one?

 

[curtisjoneslover]

was he the only one?

he was one of the only loyal, alive ones, the apostles were all killed and jesus' followers had called for his death

 

[whorehater]

he was one of the only loyal, alive ones, the apostles were all killed and jesus' followers had called for his death

does that book still exist today?

 

[curtisjoneslover]

does that book still exist today?

yes it's the last book in the bible

 

[whorehater]

yes it's the last book in the bible

how do you 100% know it was not modified over the years?

 

[fk732]

An unfortunate byproduct of evolution; to suffer and die

evolution require momentum, and u already know mynigga. wathever is in motion was set in motion by something else, this chain cant regress infinitly therefor a first mover who is immobil is necessary

 

[uksucks]

I was thinking this too recently

What caused the big bang, how did God get there in the first place if God exists

Nothing makes sense

 

[Acquiescence]

evolution require momentum, and u already know mynigga. wathever is in motion was set in motion by something else, this chain cant regress infinitly therefor a first mover who is immobil is necessary

If there must be a “first mover” then it’s the fundamental physical matter and properties of the universe. What else could it possibly be?

 

[Lefty Rankin]

T

Couldn't be here if God wasn't real and god wasn't God. That's what all the evidence ultimately points to.

And if God is indeed real you better find out who He is and what He wants from you.

 

[fk732]

I was thinking this too recently

What caused the big bang, how did God get there in the first place if God exists

Nothing makes sense

God doesnt get there. by definition God is eternal, and self sufficiant

Deus est ipsum suum esse.

God is His own act of existence.
Every creature has existence; God is existence itself.

 

[NoaA99]

Cause and consequence is the only logical framework we understand, that is why we even ask questions like this in the first place.
But there is no real answer to whether these natural concepts have any applicability or meaning beyond the existence we are aware of.
For all we know, causality, purpose, and whyy might only make sense inside the human mind not outside of it.

 

[fk732]

If there must be a “first mover” then it’s the fundamental physical matter and properties of the universe. What else could it possibly be?

Yes totally so this is what atheist scholar will use as their standpoint. for them the necessary being is the universe itself, however us theist will answer that physical matters isnt everything that exist in reality, theres also a trancendantal realm wich imply that the necessary being in wich all existence is grounded is also transendental immaterial and spiritual etc

 

[Deleted member 219416]

T

man im as grey as there can be but i dont get why you guys want to cope like this MUH GOD!!!!! MUH DIVINE!!!! MUH GODS IMAGE!!!!!

and

 

[Acquiescence]

Yes totally so this is what atheist scholar will use as their standpoint. for them the necessary being is the universe itself, however us theist will answer that physical matters isnt everything that exist in reality, theres also a trancendantal realm wich imply that the necessary being in wich all existence is grounded is also transendental immaterial and spiritual etc

And I would say there’s no valid evidence to justify bringing in all that baggage on top of physical reality but believe what u want bro

 

[fk732]

And I would say there’s no valid evidence to justify bringing in all that baggage on top of physical reality but believe what u want bro

its not about bringing thing they simply exist methaphysicly

 

[Acquiescence]

its not about bringing thing they simply exist methaphysicly

And I would ask how would you demonstrate that?

The only things I’m okay with brute force assuming is that which is bare bones required to have a discourse or worldview at all - logical causation / systems of interaction, external reality, etc

Anything further is citation needed

 

[fk732]

And I would ask how would you demonstrate that?

The only things I’m okay with brute force assuming is that which is bare bones required to have a discourse or worldview at all - logical causation / systems of interaction, external reality, etc

Anything further is citation needed

alr
so my argument woud be the transcendental argument

1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.

 

[Acquiescence]

alr
so my argument woud be the transcendental argument

1. Logic, reason, and moral absolutes exist.
2. These are immaterial, universal, invariant, and necessary realities.
3. Such realities cannot arise from matter, motion, or chance.
4. Therefore, their existence requires a transcendent, rational source.
5. This source must be personal, rational, and self-existent. God.
6. The denial of God presupposes God, because using logic requires the very framework only He grounds.
7. Therefore, without God, logic, reason, and truth are impossible.

Gonna end this here but this is just conflating god with those fundamental assumptions I mentioned earlier

To me:

- Is it possible to build a coherent worldview without assuming all of those metaphysical properties (with the concession that some things must be assumed indeed)?

- Y

Then gg done deal

But again believe what ya want I rly dc I actually envy the religious tbh