If I get saddled infraorbital + malar implants, and lefort 2 downgraft, will my scleral show go away?

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Lets say IF I was to get it. Would my scleral show go away?
 

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is it really this bad or do u have the issue that u just have been so traumatised in life that u cant love yourself?
 
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Don't do surgery it's too risky and dangerous
Don't do hardmaxxing, there are way better softmaxxing alternatives out there
 
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Don't do surgery it's too risky and dangerous
Don't do hardmaxxing, there are way better softmaxxing alternatives out there
im getting bsso and genio but its not risky at all imo. but what this guy is showing looks hella dangerous
 
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im getting bsso and genio but its not risky at all imo. but what this guy is showing looks hella dangerous
My nasal height is too short and I have anterior open bite. Instead of getting lefort 1 and being dogmaxxed from it, I could get lf2 instead.
 
im getting bsso and genio but its not risky at all imo. but what this guy is showing looks hella dangerous
how is it risky, we have surgical guides nowadays. I don't even know if it's possible to get botched.
 
Nigger heard the word "LeFort" once in a FaceIQ video and thinks that's the only surgery you can get for your face jfl
 
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He's literally just a MTN who doesn't realize surgery won't change your genetics
Yeah I just saw his pics. He could easily be HTN if he softmaxxed (which is a great benchmark for most people anyway)
 
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Nigger heard the word "LeFort" once in a FaceIQ video and thinks that's the only surgery you can get for your face jfl
I have an anterior open bite bro how else do you fix it. I have braces but it's barely closed the gap my face is down grown...
 

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Lets say IF I was to get it. Would my scleral show go away?
The worst design I've ever seen
He's literally just a MTN who doesn't realize surgery won't change your genetics
These surgeries won't ascend mtns, you need to have brains in order to realize, that big ass implant and maxilla movement is insanely low ROI in comparison to soft tissue work + medium surgeries
 
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The worst design I've ever seen

These surgeries won't ascend mtns, you need to have brains in order to realize, that big ass implant and maxilla movement is insanely low ROI in comparison to soft tissue work + medium surgeries
such as
 
I can't tell you without seeing your face

I could assume that you are actually deformed, but the fact that you are asking about lf2 with big ass implants just for reducing sclera show tells me the opposite
 
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I can't tell you without seeing your face

I could assume that you are actually deformed, but the fact that you are asking about lf2 with big ass implants just for reducing sclera show tells me the opposite
 
I can't tell you without seeing your face

I could assume that you are actually deformed, but the fact that you are asking about lf2 with big ass implants just for reducing sclera show tells me the opposite
btw I meant measurements not ratios
 
He's literally just a MTN who doesn't realize surgery won't change your genetics
it will fix your forward growth plus fix any skeletal issues you have
 
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1747784242930

wow
this guy probably got lf3 and skull transplant (before looks like your eye area)
 
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pfl was better before lol. He looks like he got a lower eyelid retraction. Doesn't look too good tbh
The pfl is the same, just the lighting changed. In what world it doesn't look good?
 
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wow
almost like the light source changed its position
yea, I guess you're right. Buw the problem with a lower eyelid retraction is that it doesn't solve the primary cause of the scleral show in the first place, which Im pretty sure is due to recessed infraorbital and a flat zygomaticomaxillary arch. In normal faces the zygos are higher and thin but in mine they are flat, recessed and "low"
 
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yea, I guess you're right. Buw the problem with a lower eyelid retraction is that it doesn't solve the primary cause of the scleral show in the first place, which Im pretty sure is due to recessed infraorbital and a flat zygomaticomaxillary arch. In normal faces the zygos are higher and thin but in mine they are flat, recessed and "low"
implants still won't fully compensate it
 
implants still won't fully compensate it
why not? If they are saddled that gives the lower eyelid support, which should get rid of sceleral show, correct? Or does it only influence the eyebags. If not wouldn't the malar implants tighten the skin also, leading to no scleral show.
 
why not? If they are saddled that gives the lower eyelid support, which should get rid of sceleral show, correct? Or does it only influence the eyebags. If not wouldn't the malar implants tighten the skin also, leading to no scleral show.
Because fixing the cause won't fix the problem. You eyelids were in certain shape your whole life, depending on soft tissue quality and bones, why would it become good overnight? yes, you will get some under eye support, but they won't look good unless you fix specifically them
 
why not? If they are saddled that gives the lower eyelid support, which should get rid of sceleral show, correct? Or does it only influence the eyebags. If not wouldn't the malar implants tighten the skin also, leading to no scleral show.
Focusing on no sclera show is rat tails.
 
Because fixing the cause won't fix the problem. You eyelids were in certain shape your whole life, depending on soft tissue quality and bones, why would it become good overnight? yes, you will get some under eye support, but they won't look good unless you fix specifically them
W explanation, thanks
 
So is PFL/PFH cope?
It's not, you just shouldn't focus on sclera show alone while making a decision. Implants will decrease it, but by the end of the day you want to have a tight eyelid, not just bones with loose skin.
 
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It's not, you just shouldn't focus on sclera show alone while making a decision. Implants will decrease it, but by the end of the day you want to have a tight eyelid, not just bones with loose skin.
thanks
 
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It's not, you just shouldn't focus on sclera show alone while making a decision. Implants will decrease it, but by the end of the day you want to have a tight eyelid, not just bones with loose skin.
Never focus on rat tails by creating certain ratios metrics, you need to consider the broader context
 
dude... just say you're a doomer
I'm a realist, and the reality is that you can't change your face to be something it isn't. No matter how many surgeries you get you're still going to resemble your original self and on top of that you'll just look uncanny
 
I'm a realist, and the reality is that you can't change your face to be something it isn't. No matter how many surgeries you get you're still going to resemble your original self and on top of that you'll just look uncanny
DUDE HOW WILL A LF2 MAKE ME LOOK UNCANNY. IF ANYTHING, PROTRUDING THE LOWER MAXILLA AND LEAVING THE UPPER MAXILLA BEHIND WILL DOGMAXX ME, AS THEY DO IN BIMAX. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE X RAY AT THE TOP OF THE THREAD, YOULL REALIZE THAT MY MAXILLA IS DOWNGROWN AND MY INFRAORBITAL IS RECESSED. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A LF2 WOULD BE UNCANNY IF ITS FIXING THE LOWER AND UPPER MAXILLA.
 
My nasal height is too short and I have anterior open bite. Instead of getting lefort 1 and being dogmaxxed from it, I could get lf2 instead.
What is dogmaxxed im thinking of getting LeFort 1 and rhino. But what does that mean
 
What is dogmaxxed im thinking of getting LeFort 1 and rhino. But what does that mean
When a lefort 1 is done they only move the lower part of the maxilla. This leaves the upper part recessed. If you look at a dog or monkey the upper part of his face is backwards and his mouth is forwards. It's not too bad but I wouldn't say it's ideal either
 

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When a lefort 1 is done they only move the lower part of the maxilla. This leaves the upper part recessed. If you look at a dog or monkey the upper part of his face is backwards and his mouth is forwards. It's not too bad but I wouldn't say it's ideal either
Looking dogmaxxed is better than having that underbite appearance due to a weak/downgrown maxilla. What do you think about a high cut LeFort 1? I understand what you’re saying though. I just think LeFort 2 isn’t very cosmetically done by surgeons. Unless you’re actually deformed or have issues with breathing. If you do have issues with breathing; those health surgeons don’t take prioritize facial aesthetics much.
 
Looking dogmaxxed is better than having that underbite appearance due to a weak/downgrown maxilla. What do you think about a high cut LeFort 1? I understand what you’re saying though. I just think LeFort 2 isn’t very cosmetically done by surgeons. Unless you’re actually deformed or have issues with breathing. If you do have issues with breathing; those health surgeons don’t take prioritize facial aesthetics much.
It will give more paranasal projection i think. It might give you more midface projection maybe. Also there might be different outcomes when it comes to the midface. Don't forget there are also many variations of lefort 1 because every patient is different. One person might need a CCW rotation, others might need a downgraft. Overall it might just come down to the situation.
 
"if i get (never getting any of those surgeries) am i going to fix a autistic feature that only male incels care about?"

what is wrong with the male gender
 

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