if i’m in a 3500cal deficit for 4 days will i lose 4lbs of PURE fat

[appeal]

+ enough protein

 

[PsychoDsk]

in 4 days nah
4 weeks yea

 

[asdvek]

no wtf, deficits dont make u lose pure fat, u lose water other shit, dnp makes u lose pure fat

 

[appeal]

in 4 days nah
4 weeks yea

even if deficit is 3500 a day?
1lbs fat is 3500cals

deficit achieved through cardio, steps etc along with enough protein and weight training

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

you physically cannot be in a 3500cal deficit while getting enough protein unless youre gonna be doing like 3hrs of cardio a day or something

 

[appeal]

you physically cannot be in a 3500cal deficit while getting enough protein unless youre gonna be doing like 3hrs of cardio a day or something

not starve maxing.
just a shit tone of steps, stair master, gym

 

[PsychoDsk]

even if deficit is 3500 a day?
1lbs fat is 3500cals

deficit achieved through cardio, steps etc along with enough protein and weight training

that makes no sense
just cuz 1lb of fat is 3500 cals doesn't mean you gain 1lb when eating that many calories or burning them

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

not starve maxing.
just a shit tone of steps, stair master, gym

youre gonna have to be working out basically all day then

 

[Deleted member 21716]

close actually since 1 pound of fat is 3500cal

you to stay extremely disciplined though

 

[appeal]

that makes no sense
just cuz 1lb of fat is 3500 cals doesn't mean you gain 1lb when eating that many calories or burning them

ye, but if you ate 3500cals above maintenance you’d gain 1lbs no?

if the 3500 is under maintenance cals it should get energy stores from fat no?

 

[appeal]

youre gonna have to be working out basically all day then

got holiday soon, been leaning out for a while, may as well put in a big shift at the end. it’s summer, wtf else do i have to do apart from rot until holiday. may as well grind

 

[appeal]

close actually since 1 pound of fat is 3500cal

you to stay extremely disciplined though

this is what i’m saying.
1lbs fat = 3500cals
so if i am 3500 cals below maintenance i would lose 1lbs of fat no? i’m not sure why people are saying you won’t. i’d be achieving the deficit through cardio and moving not starve max. restricted cals yes, but enough fats and proteins to reach my protein goal and weight lifting. would it not be all fat?

 

[kyre]

+ enough protein

thats one stupid question. u need about 2500 a day defeciting 3500 means u wont be eating and burning an extra 1000, you'll just lose muscle and water weight + you'll probably gain half of it back after anyway

 

[appeal]

thats one stupid question. u need about 2500 a day defeciting 3500 means u wont be eating and burning an extra 1000, you'll just lose muscle and water weight + you'll probably gain half of it back after anyway

no, not starve max

this is what i’m saying.
1lbs fat = 3500cals
so if i am 3500 cals below maintenance i would lose 1lbs of fat no? i’m not sure why people are saying you won’t. i’d be achieving the deficit through cardio and moving not starve max. restricted cals yes, but enough fats and proteins to reach my protein goal and weight lifting. would it not be all fat?

 

[PsychoDsk]

close actually since 1 pound of fat is 3500cal

you to stay extremely disciplined though

ye, but if you ate 3500cals above maintenance you’d gain 1lbs no?

if the 3500 is under maintenance cals it should get energy stores from fat no?

it doesn't work like that, fat isn't caused by eating above maintenance necessarily. You can eat let's say 10000 cals above maintenance and still not gain 1lb of fat since it'll be used for organs, glycogen, muscles, tissues, ... (only if you're really skin tho).

3500 cals under maintenance starts burning fat definetly but it won't be 1lbs, it could even be just 10 grams. It depends on how your body's digestive system works, how your secretion is managed, Sweat follicles, amount of glycogen in your muscles and tissues.

There goes way more in burning fat than just eating persé that many cals.
4lbs of fat is very achieveable in like a month/4 weeks.
1lb a week is optimal fat loss.

If you'd suddenly eat that much less cals, your energy wouldn't just come from fat but also from water storage, organs, flesh etc. The body is weird

 

[Deleted member 21716]

this is what i’m saying.
1lbs fat = 3500cals
so if i am 3500 cals below maintenance i would lose 1lbs of fat no? i’m not sure why people are saying you won’t. i’d be achieving the deficit through cardio and moving not starve max. restricted cals yes, but enough fats and proteins to reach my protein goal and weight lifting. would it not be all fat?

essentially

but you'd be exercising all day

also dry fasting combined with heavy workout but that would be very hard to do

 

[PsychoDsk]

it doesn't work like that, fat isn't caused by eating above maintenance necessarily. You can eat let's say 10000 cals above maintenance and still not gain 1lb of fat since it'll be used for organs, glycogen, muscles, tissues, ... (only if you're really skin tho).

3500 cals under maintenance starts burning fat definetly but it won't be 1lbs, it could even be just 10 grams. It depends on how your body's digestive system works, how your secretion is managed, Sweat follicles, amount of glycogen in your muscles and tissues.

There goes way more in burning fat than just eating persé that many cals.
4lbs of fat is very achieveable in like a month/4 weeks.
1lb a week is optimal fat loss.

If you'd suddenly eat that much less cals, your energy wouldn't just come from fat but also from water storage, organs, flesh etc. The body is weird

I worded it wrong, fat is caused by eating above maintenance but eating above maintenance once or twice a week wouldn't cause fat gain necessarily. It depends on how much glycogen and energy you have stored within your body.

 

[appeal]

it doesn't work like that, fat isn't caused by eating above maintenance necessarily. You can eat let's say 10000 cals above maintenance and still not gain 1lb of fat since it'll be used for organs, glycogen, muscles, tissues, ... (only if you're really skin tho).

3500 cals under maintenance starts burning fat definetly but it won't be 1lbs, it could even be just 10 grams. It depends on how your body's digestive system works, how your secretion is managed, Sweat follicles, amount of glycogen in your muscles and tissues.

There goes way more in burning fat than just eating persé that many cals.
4lbs of fat is very achieveable in like a month/4 weeks.
1lb a week is optimal fat loss.

If you'd suddenly eat that much less cals, your energy wouldn't just come from fat but also from water storage, organs, flesh etc. The body is weird

understood. ik fat loss is a multi varied equation. but i’m mainly talking about increasing calorie expenditure during the day instead of caloric restriction. i cut calories initially, but its the final graft before my second holiday of the summer and wanted to increase fat loss before i go. id still be eating the same amount of cals, and keep fats, and proteins high, which is required to maintain good hormone function. if the deficit is achieved through not limiting calories more than i have, but increasing caloric expenditure through more movement and cardio etc wouldn’t that lead to more and faster fat loss?

 

[yue]

this is what i’m saying.
1lbs fat = 3500cals
so if i am 3500 cals below maintenance i would lose 1lbs of fat no? i’m not sure why people are saying you won’t. i’d be achieving the deficit through cardio and moving not starve max. restricted cals yes, but enough fats and proteins to reach my protein goal and weight lifting. would it not be all fat?

How many calories are you planning on eating to be in a 3,500 kcal deficit

 

[appeal]

How many calories are you planning on eating to be in a 3,500 kcal deficit

1.7-1.8k, enough to get all my protein and fats. deficit would be achieved through cardio and moving more. would work?

 

[appeal]

essentially

but you'd be exercising all day

also dry fasting combined with heavy workout but that would be very hard to do

got holiday soon, been leaning out for a while, may as well put in a big shift at the end. it’s summer, wtf else do i have to do apart from rot until holiday. may as well grind

may as well put a shift in before i leave. don’t have much else to do tbh

 

[PsychoDsk]

understood. ik fat loss is a multi varied equation. but i’m mainly talking about increasing calorie expenditure during the day instead of caloric restriction. i cut calories initially, but its the final graft before my second holiday of the summer and wanted to increase fat loss before i go. id still be eating the same amount of cals, and keep fats, and proteins high, which is required to maintain good hormone function. if the deficit is achieved through not limiting calories more than i have, but increasing caloric expenditure through more movement and cardio etc wouldn’t that lead to more and faster fat loss?

it could yes, your body needs incentive to burn unwanted fat and you achieve that by doing cardio.
I would still eat less than your maintenance tho, like 500-1000 less. It's not that harmful to your hormones and general health, it's actually quite healthy cuz they have to chance to stabilize.
good luck bhai

 

[yue]

1.7-1.8k, enough to get all my protein and fats. deficit would be achieved through cardio and moving more

assuming your basal metabolic rate is 3,000, that means you'll need to burn 2,300 calories a day to be in a 3,500 kcal deficit. Equivalent to walking/running 23 miles a day or a marathon pretty much, in other words you're coping if you think you can do that without addign extreme stress to your body.

 

[appeal]

it could yes, your body needs incentive to burn unwanted fat and you achieve that by doing cardio.
I would still eat less than your maintenance tho, like 500-1000 less. It's not that harmful to your hormones and general health, it's actually quite healthy cuz they have to chance to stabilize.
good luck bhai

thanks bro. that’s what i’ve tried to do, i have lowered cals. maintainance 2.5k - 2.8k depending on day, i have lowered to 1.6k-2.2k depending on day.
hopefully increasing cardio will lead to some good extra fat loss before i leave.

so as long as enough fats and protein hormone levels should be relatively stable, regardless of how much i increase cardio?

 

[PsychoDsk]

thanks bro. that’s what i’ve tried to do, i have lowered cals. maintainance 2.5k - 2.8k depending on day, i have lowered to 1.6k-2.2k depending on day.
hopefully increasing cardio will lead to some good extra fat loss before i leave.

so as long as enough fats and protein hormone levels should be relatively stable, regardless of how much i increase cardio?

yes, don't overdo the cardio tho
just keep it simple since you don't wanna put your body in huge amounts of stress in a deficit
just some stairmaster and maybe a run like you suggested

 

[appeal]

assuming your basal metabolic rate is 3,000, that means you'll need to burn 2,300 calories a day to be in a 3,500 kcal deficit. Equivalent to walking/running 23 miles a day or a marathon pretty much, in other words you're coping if you think you can do that without addign extreme stress to your body.

it’s a theoretical question tbh, but i will achieve the largest deficit i can throughout the day. i’m trya mainly gauge if there is a limit to how much energy can be used from fat stores in a day tbh. ik not realistic what so ever to be 3500 cal deficit, but i think i can manage 2500

 

[kyre]

no, not starve max

that doesnt matter even if u eat and burn all the calories you've consumed theres still no energy thath your body can consume so you will also lose water weight which you'll probably gain back and muscle.

 

[appeal]

theres still no energy thath your body can consume

this is the whole reason why fat is stored. if your body if lacking energy, it takes it from fat stores

 

[AspiringMogger]

Your metabolism will adjust, so no.

 

[appeal]

Your metabolism will adjust, so no.

metabolism based on hormones mainly no? which is determined mainly by fat consumption through diet i think. if your consuming adequate fats and protein i think hormones and metabolism would remain the same.

this is what i’m saying.
1lbs fat = 3500cals
so if i am 3500 cals below maintenance i would lose 1lbs of fat no? i’m not sure why people are saying you won’t. i’d be achieving the deficit through cardio and moving not starve max. restricted cals yes, but enough fats and proteins to reach my protein goal and weight lifting. would it not be all fat?

 

[kyre]

this is the whole reason why fat is stored. if your body if lacking energy, it takes it from fat stores

yes but there isnt enough energy to get 3500 calories out of fat only and because of that you're gonna lose muscle and water weight too because your body needs nutrients like proteins and minerals which fat doesnt contain.

 

[AspiringMogger]

metabolism based on hormones mainly no? which is determined mainly by fat consumption through diet i think. if your consuming adequate fats and protein i think hormones and metabolism would remain the same.

Go try it then and prove me wrong.

 

[appeal]

muscle and water weight too because your body needs nutrients like proteins and minerals which fat doesnt contain.

i said i’m not starve maxing tho. still consuming as many vals as i normally would on a cut so id still get those nutrients

 

[appeal]

Go try it then and prove me wrong.

i’m just asking.
also your metabolism would adjust even if you do a regular cut. i think it’s proportional, slower cut, slower decline in metabolism, slower fat loss, faster cut, faster decline in method, faster fat loss.
idk tho

 

[testNtren]

Not quite due to metabolism slowing etc, but you would lose pretty close to it. Don't fucking do it though thats retarded.

 

[kyre]

i said i’m not starve maxing tho. still consuming as many vals as i normally would on a cut so id still get those nutrients

never heard or read something about that but good luck

 

[appeal]

Not quite due to metabolism slowing etc, but you would lose pretty close to it. Don't fucking do it though thats retarded.

highly unrealistic that i get in a 3500cal deficit from cardio tbh. 2000 is achievable i think, id still be eating 1.7-1-8k cals to get enough protein and fats in diet to try keep hormones and metabolism as in check as possible. thing even on slow cut, drop in metabolism is inevitable.

also your metabolism would adjust even if you do a regular cut. i think it’s proportional, slower cut, slower decline in metabolism, slower fat loss, faster cut, faster decline in method, faster fat loss.
idk tho

 

[Rigged]

+ enough protein

Ignore every other reply the thermic effect on food would make it more ranged than exact pretty much just 0.8-1.2 for each, u will lose/gain around 1 pound or close enough at 3500 always

Anyone who claims theres another factor is wrong or just not using common sense