If religion didnt exist 3/4 of the world would have probably killed themselves tbh

[Deleted member 5969]

@W0KESTMOTHF So if you agree that we need religion, why do you support Hitler? He hated Christians.

 

[Deleted member 2214]

Don’t talk to me you’re from Jalisco

Is that a bad thing

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Yes, we need Christianity to save the white race and save the West
The lack of religion has caused all of this

And you know what caused this lack of religion? Jews bro and I'm not joking , they for real introduced all this degeneracy , people have no family values , morals , look at nazi germany , these things made them powerful and we're the most important things in their life's

 

[Deleted member 5969]

The 10 commandments in the bible basically make up the laws we have today

Western Law is based on Christians values
The Law obviously changes but the Bible never does
This guy has his head under a rock

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

@W0KESTMOTHF So if you agree that we need religion, why do you support Hitler? He hated Christians.

He didn't hate christians , most of germany were christians lol

 

[Blackout.xl]

And you know what caused this lack of religion? Jews bro and I'm not joking , they for real introduced all this degeneracy , people have no family values , morals , look at nazi germany , these things made them powerful and we're the most important things in their life's

You took my discord name

 

[Deleted member 9699]

I can feel the Holy Spirit. I've been cured of my social anxiety and of my knee pain. I've seen people speak in tongues.

That feeling can't be proven scientifically the same way the wind would, or the part of the brain responsible for thoughts.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

And you know what caused this lack of religion? Jews bro and I'm not joking , they for real introduced all this degeneracy , people have no family values , morals , look at nazi germany , these things made them powerful and we're the most important things in their life's

> morals
> cities Nazi Germany as a moral society

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

You took my discord name

My discord name is my .me name lol

 

[Deleted member 9699]

The 10 commandments in the bible basically make up the laws we have today

So? Hitler did some based shit in his life. Not really enough to make him some credible figure.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

That feeling can't be proven scientifically the same way the wind would, or the part of the brain responsible for thoughts.

I don't believe in thoughts, the wind, gravity or George Washington because I can't see those things.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

> morals
> cities Nazi Germany as a moral society

All you know about Nazi Germany is what the jews tell you, unironically the same way they fool you into thinking Christianity is real.

 

[Blackout.xl]

My discord name is my .me name lol

“Greatest of all time”

Are u influenced by me?

 

[Deleted member 9699]

I don't believe in thoughts, the wind, gravity or George Washington because I can't see those things.

You can see them. There's proof of Washington's fossils, the wind and gravity are proven by science, and we know there's a part of your brain responsible for thinking. Weak argument. Very retarded actually.

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

> morals
> cities Nazi Germany as a moral society

Show me proof that it wasn't moral

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2020

 

[Deleted member 5969]

He didn't hate christians , most of germany were christians lol

Oh ur right he hated Jehovahs my bad

But "Christians", you can't support war and be a Christian, it contradicts scripture

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

“Greatest of all time”

Are u influenced by me?

What?

 

[Deleted member 5969]

You can see them. There's proof of Washington's fossils, the wind and gravity are proven by science, and we know there's a part of your brain responsible for thinking. Weak argument. Very retarded actually.

I can't see them, I don't believe them
Yes, George Washington's house, signature and eyewitnesses accounts all exist, but I actually haven't seen him, so he doesn't exist.

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Oh ur right he hated Jehovahs my bad

But "Christians", you can't support war and be a Christian, it contradicts scripture

Every christian county had many wars that shit is irrelevant lol

 

[Deleted member 5189]

Theres scientific proof that jesus exists and theres fossils and tombs

Proof?

 

[Deleted member 9699]

I can't see them, I don't believe them
Yes, George Washington's house, signature and eyewitnesses accounts all exist, but I actually haven't seen him, so he doesn't exist.

You can see his fossils.
But let's take your logic.

Where's God's house, signature and eyewitnesses account?

 

[Blackout.xl]

What?

Wtf

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Show me proof that it wasn't moral
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The fact that they went to war, commited genocide and blamed it all on a race group.

Nice Nazi propaganda, I could pull up an image of a family in the USA in the 1940's too.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

You can see his fossils.
But let's take your logic.

Where's God's house, signature and eyewitnesses account?

The Ancient Manuscripts, Roman texts, the Gospel and the archaeological evidence.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Every christian county had many wars that shit is irrelevant lol

Which contradicts scripture. You can't be a Christian and go to war, it goes against the Bible.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

The Ancient Manuscripts, Roman texts, the Gospel and the archaeological evidence.

Fuck me you're dumb.

Even if god was real, I think at this point I'd rather go to hell than be in heaven with you.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Fuck me you're dumb.

Even if god was real, I think at this point I'd rather go to hell than be in heaven with you.

JFL
Believes in George Washington because of the evidence
Doesn't believe in Jesus Christ because of the evidence???

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

The fact that they went to war, commited genocide and blamed it all on a race group.

Nice Nazi propaganda, I could pull up an image of a family in the USA in the 1940's too.

They got fucked by the jews so hard that millions of german people died , you think you wouldn't do the same and forget about your morals? They wanted revenge for what jews did for their people
As I said go watch those two documentsries and then come back , you're brainwashed hard af
Also , i can bet my life nazi germany in 2020 would be moral af with 0 degeneracy unlike United States of israel
You don't even know the true reason they went to war lol , I'm done arguing with you as I can see you're not knowledgeable about this topic

 

[Deleted member 9699]

JFL
Believes in George Washington because of the evidence
Doesn't believe in Jesus Christ because of the evidence???

OK but there's evidence of Buddha existing and of Mohammad existing.

Why aren't you Buddhist or Muslim, my friend?

 

[Deleted member 5969]

They got fucked by the jews so hard that millions of german people died , you think you wouldn't do the same and forget about your morals? They wanted revenge for what jews did for their people
As I said go watch those two documentsries and then come back , you're brainwashed hard af
Also , i can bet my life nazi germany in 2020 would be moral af with 0 degeneracy unlike United States of israel
You don't even know the true reason they went to war lol , I'm done arguing with you as I can see you're not knowledgeable about this topic

Bro you can support Nazi's, it's your right,
But don't ever try to pretend they were remotely close to a Christian society.
The Bible says forgive, it's a noble thing to do. Only children swing back in a fight.

>moral af
>most Nazi policies go against the one true doctrine


The Bible says turn the other cheek and pray for those who persecute you. IDC if the Jews took a shit on Hitler's mother's grave, war is immoral.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

OK but there's evidence of Buddha existing and of Mohammad existing.

Why aren't you Buddhist or Muslim, my friend?

Buddha was a mortal who preached hippie stuff, he did nothing remarkable.
Mohammed let Satan write in the Koran, Mohammed also thought that his revelations were demonic. He also did many horrible things but those 2 examples are enough for me.

Jesus was the Son of God and rose from the dead
Jesus told Satan "Depart from me"

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Buddha was a man who preached hippie stuff, he did nothing remarkable.
Mohammed let Satan write in the Koran, Mohammed also thought that his revelations were demonic.

Jesus was the Son of God and rose from the dead
Jesus told Satan "Depart from me"

Were you there to witness those events? Do you have irrefutable evidence of what you just said?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

What do you think a conscience is developed by? Do you think people have a moral code from birth? Jfl if you deny the cultural / environmental influences on somebodies conscience. A child born in abject poverty will nine times out of 10 not have the same conscience as somebody born into a luxurious lifestyle.

I believe morality comes from logic, and logic is universal amongst men. When morality comes from emotion, thats when it becomes poisoned (like now that women have a huge sway over societies morals, even more than men now)

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Were you there to witness those events? Do you have irrefutable evidence of what you just said?

Yes, the Ancient Manuscripts and the Roman texts support what I just said about Jesus
Cold hard written evidence, scientists say its the best way to document the past, in fact that's how they do it now, except on computers.

 

[RAITEIII]

The people being dumb / things not being able to be documented (which isn’t true by the way, ancient history is a large field based on plenty of historical documents from the time), isn’t relevant.

By this logic we shouldn’t accept historical info that isn’t from the modern day where there are centralized recording / maintenance of records. History is history, regardless of the context at the time.

Plenty of people report having supernatural experiences in the modern day. This hasn’t changed. See the rise of Sathya sai baba as an example of this.

The “why is there no messiah anymore” question is dumb as fuck as well. In the context of major religions, this already has been answered. And there are still messiah claims in the modern day too jfl

These arguments don’t get anywhere near the conclusion of ALL religions being fake

I didn't know you think this way.

Unfortnately your post can't be considered an argumentative answer. I don't need to explain why "historical info" and the ridiculous claims made in holy texts cannot be compared. You cannot see this and it might simply be because you yourself are biased with your own beliefs.

Plenty of people are reporting supernatural experiences? Like what? How does it challenge science? I have no seen anyone claiming to divide the fucking ocean like the bible does. Do not mix up things. Some folks claiming (unverified) vanilla stuff can't be compared neither to the things cited in holy books.

Some people are claiming to be messiah? Lmao I am waiting to see their miracles. I am waiting to see what is that, that makes them a messiah and not a vile farsant.

Religion is going to die because it wont be sustainable to keep believing the same thing in 100,000 years without any proof other than those stories from stone age

 

[Deleted member 5969]

I believe morality comes from logic, and logic is universal amongst men. When morality comes from emotion, thats when it becomes poisoned (like now that women have a huge sway over societies morals, even more than men now)

My "logic" tells me lying is OK because it can get me ahead in life
You can't base your moral compass on your own mind.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

My "logic" tells me lying is OK because it can get me ahead in life
You can't base your moral compass on your own mind.

That's how your mind is then. You have a badboy darktriad mind, meanwhile some soy redditor likes to be %100 truthful. It doesn't matter.

You do what you gotta do to get ahead in life.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

That's how your mind is then. You have a badboy darktriad mind, meanwhile some soy redditor likes to be %100 truthful. It doesn't matter.

You do what you gotta do to get ahead in life.

No, thats everyones logic. People steal & lie because they know it gives them gain.
Everyone is a evil person at heart, the Bible is very clear on this

"You do what you gotta do to get ahead in life" OK let me slaughter your whole family because my "badboy darktriad" tells me it will give me immense pleasure and make me "get ahead".
Subjective morality is a joke.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

No, thats everyones logic. People steal & lie because they know it gives them gain.
Everyone is a evil person at heart, the Bible is very clear on this

"You do what you gotta do to get ahead in life" OK let me slaughter your whole family because my "badboy darktriad" tells me it will give me immense pleasure and make me "get ahead".
Subjective morality is a joke.

Do it then. You won't, because you know the law is on your ass. If there was no law and you felt like killing my family, you'd have a good reason in your mind to do it unless you were a psychopath, in which case you would be killed because you wouldn't last long in a tribal setting.

Subjective morality exists not only among humans, but also among other animals. Why do you think some animals end up trusting humans and some others never do? No animal thinks the same as another.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

My "logic" tells me lying is OK because it can get me ahead in life
You can't base your moral compass on your own mind.

Logic tells you that if everybody thought only for themselves, we wouldn't have a functional society/tribe, and all our life qualities would go downhill. Then you logically would make rules for everybody in that society, not to lie, or they will face punishment (people are shamed for lying, because we dont wanna be lied to otherwise communities cant function).

If we were all individualists, we would be extinct by now, human survival is based on teamwork and community/tribe, and logic is what made us that way and separated us from animals.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Do it then. You won't, because you know the law is on your ass. If there was no law and you felt like killing my family, you'd have a good reason in your mind to do it unless you were a psychopath, in which case you would be killed because you wouldn't last long in a tribal setting.

Subjective morality exists not only among humans, but also among other animals. Why do you think some animals end up trusting humans and some others never do? No animal thinks the same as another.

JFL this guy just encouraged me to kill his whole family

Animals can't even understand the concept of morality. All they know is eat sleep reproduce. You can't compare us to animals, we are obviously more complex to them.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Do it then. You won't, because you know the law is on your ass. If there was no law and you felt like killing my family, you'd have a good reason in your mind to do it unless you were a psychopath, in which case you would be killed because you wouldn't last long in a tribal setting.

Subjective morality exists not only among humans, but also among other animals. Why do you think some animals end up trusting humans and some others never do? No animal thinks the same as another.

The morality you just laid out was logical (and solid), not subjective.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Logic tells you that if everybody thought only for themselves, we wouldn't have a functional society/tribe, and all our life qualities would go downhill. Then you logically would make rules for everybody in that society, not to lie, or they will face punishment (people are shamed for lying, because we dont wanna be lied to otherwise communities cant function).

If we were all individualists, we would be extinct by now, human survival is based on teamwork and community/tribe, and logic is what made us that way and separated us from animals.

Amen and this is what religion is telling us, we need to become good people and love each other like we love ourselves

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Amen and this is what religion is telling us, we need to become good people and love each other like we love ourselves

And this logical morality we're both agreeing on, is not subjective, its timeless. Why would I think about this any differently 200 years ago? Just like I would know 2 rocks + 2 rocks = 4 rocks, my moral stances would also be based on logic 200 years ago.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

The morality you just laid out was logical (and solid), not subjective.

We are not meant to live in huge civilizations as we are tribal animals. The reason why subjective morality makes sense is because of that. If we all lived among our own tribes, most of us would be more inclined to work as a team.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

And this logical morality we're both agreeing on, is not subjective, its timeless. Why would I think about this any differently 200 years ago? Just like I would know 2 rocks + 2 rocks = 4 rocks, my moral stances would also be based on logic 200 years ago.

I don't think this is true. History says otherwise.

Slavery was normalized because it meant more resources and a higher likelihood of survival. Different times create different morals.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

And this logical morality we're both agreeing on, is not subjective, its timeless. Why would I think about this any differently 200 years ago? Just like I would know 2 rocks + 2 rocks = 4 rocks, my moral stances would also be based on logic.

Your "logic" is based on Judeo-Christian values, if we had no religion we would just be walking around doing whatever our corrupt hearts desire.
Before we had Christian values implemented in society, we were just running around raping and pillaging

 

[Blackout.xl]

I didn't know you think this way.

Unfortnately your post can't be considered an argumentative answer. I don't need to explain why "historical info" and the ridiculous claims made in holy texts cannot be compared. You cannot see this and it might simply be because you yourself are biased with your own beliefs.

Plenty of people are reporting supernatural experiences? Like what? How does it challenge science? I have no seen anyone claiming to divide the fucking ocean like the bible does. Do not mix up things. Some folks claiming (unverified) vanilla stuff can't be compared neither to the things cited in holy books.

Some people are claiming to be messiah? Lmao I am waiting to see their miracles. I am waiting to see what is that, that makes them a messiah and not a vile farsant.

Religion is going to die because it wont be sustainable to keep believing the same thing in 100,000 years without any proof other than those stories from stone age

You might of well as just said you didn’t read because it’s obvious you didn’t.

Never claimed religious text and ancient history are the same, nor did I claim or imply these reported supernatural experiences are true, or that these messiah claims are true.

The point I am making is that your argument of people being smarter today, resulting in no reports of supernatural experiences or claims to be the messiah don’t hold up whatsoever when compared to what actually happens in the modern day.

Religion dying is also a major cope. Religions have always existed and will continue to exist, the only thing that changes is what religions are believed in

 

[Deleted member 5969]

I don't think this is true. History says otherwise.

Slavery was normalized because it meant more resources and a higher likelihood of survival. Different times create different morals.

And that's why subjective morality is stupid, it excuses horrible things to fulfill a temporary desire

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I don't think this is true. History says otherwise.

Slavery was normalized because it meant more resources and a higher likelihood of survival. Different times create different morals.

It would be moral, if it made logical sense for those circumstances. You cant compare logic from different circumstances and say logic is hypocritical.