If religion didnt exist 3/4 of the world would have probably killed themselves tbh

[Deleted member 9699]

And that's why subjective morality is stupid, it excuses horrible things to fulfill a temporary desire

Idk man. I'm not here to discuss morals, I'm here to discuss god

It looks like this convo isn't going anywhere, lets just agree to disagree

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Your "logic" is based on Judeo-Christian values, if we had no religion we would just be walking around doing whatever our corrupt hearts desire.
Before we had Christian values implemented in society, we were just running around raping and pillaging

Religion spreads logic to the illogical masses (all women, and lots of primitive men).

I believe before religion, we had leaders who were the logical ones, who made rules for everybody in the tribes to follow. There was teamwork and community, or we wouldn't have survived and evolved by just raping and pillaging like monkeys.

On a large scale society where 1 specific leader cant be agreed upon, you need religion, because God can't be questioned and criticised if he's not on Earth for that to happen.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Idk man. I'm not here to discuss morals, I'm here to discuss god

It looks like this convo isn't going anywhere, lets just agree to disagree

Why did the dispute come around from religion existing or not to morals? Then we can get it back on track (if we all agree that morality is subjective or objective first)

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Idk man. I'm not here to discuss morals, I'm here to discuss god

It looks like this convo isn't going anywhere, lets just agree to disagree

You can't say:
Murder, rape, slavery and stealing is ok if as a collective society we need it.

That's the argument of subjective morality. "Nothing is wrong, it's only a taboo in our society, and somewhere else in the world, our taboo's are some societies givens and that's OK."

It's a complete joke but I will tolerate your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

You can't say:
Murder, rape, slavery and stealing is ok if as a collective society we need it.

That's the argument of subjective morality. "Nothing is wrong, it's only a taboo in our society, and somewhere else in the world, our taboo's are some societies givens and that's OK."

It's a complete joke but I will tolerate your opinion.

Those are always going to be subjective desires within every individual. Even if objectively the law states to not rape, people still rape. We can argue that it's wrong, but it makes sense in the brains of the rapist somehow. That's ultimately why most humans are hypocrites.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

We are not meant to live in huge civilizations as we are tribal animals. The reason why subjective morality makes sense is because of that. If we all lived among our own tribes, most of us would be more inclined to work as a team.

We have proven that we can successfully live in huge civilisations, but that it works best when everybody operates under logical moral rules, enforced by God so that the rules cannot be questions and diminished by emotional manipulative evil arguments (what women do 24/7). If the rules are for men to enforce, it just always happens that eventually they simp and get influenced by women, then it turns to shit. Thats why the constitution wont uphold what it set out to uphold, because its in man's leadership. Islamic values are in God's leadership, so they can get never get manipulated because God doesn't discuss the rules with anybody.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Those are always going to be subjective desires within every individual. Even if objectively the law states to not rape, people still rape. We can argue that it's wrong, but it makes sense in the brains of the rapist somehow. That's ultimately why most humans are hypocrites.

And I'm saying those people are wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

We have proven that we can successfully live in huge civilisations, but that it works best when everybody operates under logical moral rules, enforced by God so that the rules cannot be questions and diminished by emotional manipulative evil arguments (what women do 24/7). If the rules are for men to enforce, it just always happens that eventually they simp and get influenced by women, then it turns to shit. Thats why the constitution wont uphold what it set out to uphold, because its in man's leadership. Islamic values are in God's leadership, so they can get never get manipulated because God doesn't discuss the rules with anybody.

I'm not a Muslim but I agree

 

[Deleted member 9699]

We have proven that we can successfully live in huge civilisations, but that it works best when everybody operates under logical moral rules, enforced by God so that the rules cannot be questions and diminished by emotional manipulative evil arguments (what women do 24/7). If the rules are for men to enforce, it just always happens that eventually they simp and get influenced by women, then it turns to shit. Thats why the constitution wont uphold what it set out to uphold, because its in man's leadership. Islamic values are in God's leadership, so they can get never get manipulated because God doesn't discuss the rules with anybody.

I'm cool with that.

The issue is: what proves Islam, or any other religion, to be the one true religion? That's what I cant get behind.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

I'm cool with that.

The issue is: what proves Islam, or any other religion, to be the one true religion? That's what I cant get behind.

I already disproved Islam and Buddism
Name any religion (with credible evidence) I will debunk it and prove Christianity is right

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I'm cool with that.

The issue is: what proves Islam, or any other religion, to be the one true religion? That's what I cant get behind.

The fact that Islam is based and is taking over the World because of that. Its like God agrees with us, because he knows the absolute truth.

The alternative is that whoever wrote the Islamic rules, somehow had access to all the information we do now, despite not having internet, and managed to figure all this shit out. Thats hard to believe

 

[Deleted member 9699]

The fact that Islam is based and is taking over the World because of that. Its like God agrees with us, because he knows the absolute truth.

The alternative is that whoever wrote the Islamic rules, somehow had access to all the information we do now, despite not having internet, and managed to figure all this shit out. Thats hard to believe

idk if thats a good enough proof tbh but i see where youre coming from

 

[Deleted member 9699]

I already disproved Islam and Buddism
Name any religion (with credible evidence) I will debunk it and prove Christianity is right

@DatGuyYouLike exactly what i mean lol

everyone will say "MuH goD is Right"

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Those are always going to be subjective desires within every individual. Even if objectively the law states to not rape, people still rape. We can argue that it's wrong, but it makes sense in the brains of the rapist somehow. That's ultimately why most humans are hypocrites.

Calling people hypocritical (shaming for breaking rules), is logical for society and therefore moral. So whats the problem? We have morals, and then if people break them, we have further morals, to dissuade others from breaking them (nobody wants to be called hypocrite and be ostracised).

 

[Deleted member 5969]

The fact that Islam is based and is taking over the World because of that. Its like God agrees with us, because he knows the absolute truth.

The alternative is that whoever wrote the Islamic rules, somehow had access to all the information we do now, despite not having internet, and managed to figure all this shit out. Thats hard to believe

Mohammed let Satan write in the Koran and Mohammed thought his revelations were demonic. He also permitted lying, stealing and he encouraged his men to take slaves and rape women.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

@DatGuyYouLike exactly what i mean lol

everyone will say "MuH goD is Right"

But I already told you how Islam has words of Satan in its Holy Book, its not just "im right ur wrong" I have evidence, which is something you seem to hate

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Mohammed let Satan write in the Koran and Mohammed thought his revelations were demonic

where are u getting this from jfl

i read into the quran, when was this ever mentioned

 

[Deleted member 9699]

But I already told you how Islam has words of Satan in its Holy Book, its not just "im right ur wrong" I have evidence, which is something you seem to hate

brother your evidence is a 2,000 year old book. we as humans have existed for millions of years. let that sink in.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

@DatGuyYouLike exactly what i mean lol

everyone will say "MuH goD is Right"

Based on the evidence so far, Islam is right. Why would Christianity be right when its proven itself to be vulnerable and becoming immoral, it hasn't survived the test of time.

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Based on the evidence so far, Islam is right. Why would Christianity be right when its proven itself to be vulnerable and becoming immoral, it hasn't survived the test of time.

idk man, you can say judaism is holding up pretty well too.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Based on the evidence so far, Islam is right. Why would Christianity be right when its proven itself to be vulnerable and becoming immoral, it hasn't survived the test of time.

The "Christians" you see today that "have became immoral" do not follow scripture.
Did you know that women have to wear head coverings in Church?

 

[Deleted member 9699]

The "Christians" you see today that "have became immoral" do not follow scripture.
Did you know that women have to wear head coverings in Church?

One thing I'll give you is that Christianity at one point was actually a good religion, before Jewish interference, but it still doesn't prove that it was the one and only true religion. That's why I struggle to believe: There is no definitive proof that all of this "evidence" of Jesus existing, and the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit, and all that stuff ever being real. If a beacon came from the sky saying Jesus is real I will be the first one to believe, but that's why religion doesn't cut it for me.

Does not mean I have doubt in the existence of a higher power, but it just could be anything at this point. Not even what we imagine.

 

[Deleted member 5969]

where are u getting this from jfl

i read into the quran, when was this ever mentioned

Satanic Verses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ibn Ishaq p.106 Sahih Bukhari 1:3 Sahih Bukhari 24 5279, 54 438 is where Mohammed thought his relevations were demonic

 

[Deleted member 5969]

One thing I'll give you is that Christianity at one point was actually a good religion, before Jewish interference, but it still doesn't prove that it was the one and only true religion. That's why I struggle to believe: There is no definitive proof that all of this "evidence" of Jesus existing, and the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit, and all that stuff ever being real. If a beacon came from the sky saying Jesus is real I will be the first one to believe, but that's why religion doesn't cut it for me.

Does not mean I have doubt in the existence of a higher power, but it just could be anything at this point. Not even what we imagine.

How could you believe in George Washington but not Jesus Christ?

Satan has a hold on your soul

 

[Deleted member 4797]

The "Christians" you see today that "have became immoral" do not follow scripture.
Did you know that women have to wear head coverings in Church?

Christians became immoral, because the rules weren't moral and based enough. Otherwise why did they get cucked over time?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

idk man, you can say judaism is holding up pretty well too.

Yeah but its not widespread, they are outnumbered big time, Islam is the biggest religion in the World and is projected to get bigger and bigger still.

 

[Deleted member 2012]

I dont believe in hell and never thought about roping

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Christians became immoral, because the rules weren't moral and based enough. Otherwise why did they get cucked over time?

Because of Satan. Christianity is based but there are many lukewarms. No one reads the Bible.
If you go into a church and women are not wearing head coverings, you know it's full of lukewarms.

 

[RAITEIII]

Never claimed religious text and ancient history are the same

Then why did you use it as an example? What's the point?

nor did I claim or imply these reported supernatural experiences are true, or that these messiah claims are true.

If you don't believe they're true then why do you even bring this up then?

The point I am making is that your argument of people being smarter today, resulting in no reports of supernatural experiences or claims to be the messiah don’t hold up whatsoever when compared to what actually happens in the modern day.

And do not mix up my words please lol. It's a fact that no supernatural experience (especially at the level of holy books texts) is being reported. It's also
a fact that there is no person with supernatural abilities being reported.

Currently there are fake messiah's. There are people making up stories but they cannot challenge science. They cannot challenge logic. They cannot magically bypass the intelligence earned for thousands of years and make us believe they are something special. They are just farsants.

Why would God send the messiah back then when science wasn't around, when logic wasn't around? when people used to believe in upsetting the God of the rain lmao. But not now? Did God stop wishing for my salvation? My answer is simply that none of those things were true. As you say, it doesn't hold up.

And yh, that's my answer. Ultimately you can cope whatever way you want.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Because of Satan. Christianity is based but there are many lukewarms. No one reads the Bible.
If you go into a church and women are not wearing head coverings, you know it's full of lukewarms.

Why hasn't Satan defeated Islam, but has Christianity?

If satan exists, I believe women are his vessel, and women defeated Christianity because the Christian men fell weak to the feminine satanic charms, and simped. This means the moral character of Christians wasn't strong enough to defeat Satan, because the morality wasn't strong enough. If the bible was more based, the Christian men wouldn't have simped.

 

[Blackout.xl]

Then why did you use it as an example? What's the point?

If you don't believe they're true then why do you even bring this up then?

And do not mix up my words please lol. It's a fact that no supernatural experience (especially at the level of holy books texts) is being reported. It's also
a fact that there is no person with supernatural abilities being reported.

Currently there are fake messiah's. There are people making up stories but they cannot challenge science. They cannot challenge logic. They cannot magically bypass the intelligence earned for thousands of years and make us believe they are something special. They are just farsants.

Why would God send the messiah back then when science wasn't around, when logic wasn't around? when people used to believe in upsetting the God of the rain lmao. But not now? Did God stop wishing for my salvation? My answer is simply that none of those things were true. As you say, it doesn't hold up.

And yh, that's my answer. Ultimately you can cope whatever way you want.

Half this shit is retarded. “When science and logic wasn’t around”

Not responding

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Half this shit is retarded. “When science and logic wasn’t around”

Not responding

high IQ trait: responds but says "not responding"

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Why hasn't Satan defeated Islam, but has Christianity?

If satan exists, I believe women are his vessel, and women defeated Christianity because the Christian men fell weak to the feminine satanic charms, and simped. This means the moral character of Christians wasn't strong enough to defeat Satan, because the morality wasn't strong enough. If the bible was more based, the Christian men wouldn't have simped.

Because Islam is Satanic, it's a false religion. Satan has words in the Koran.
And the Islamic world is falling, they had women marches for equality in Pakistan this year

That's a fair point, I do agree with you that the fall of Christianity is at the hands of women. But it's not because of Christianity itself, it's the men who are "Christians". The Bible says "do not put your strength into women" aka don't be a simp
If the men were actually strong in Christ, read their bibles, went on fasts, evangelized etc, aka be Biblical Christians, it never would have happened. Like I said bro, there is many lukewarms, don't confuse them for true soldiers of Christ.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

God does exist but hell does not, also God is not exactly who you think he is

The one people call Yaweh, Allah, Brahman etc is actually the demiurge. He is a blind, cruel and unfair God who likes to see people suffer. Thats why he created the human species and such a cruel world. He wants us to suffer so we can worshipp him and give our souls to him in desperate moments. The true God cant be known by humanity, as he is out of touch for all of us, he is not from this universe.

Dont you ever pray, dont you ever worshipp Yaweh, Allah or whatever, cause these are just different names for the same Demon. Dont give your soul to him or else you'll be destroyed with him in the end of the universe.

 

[RAITEIII]

Half this shit is retarded. “When science and logic wasn’t around”

Not responding

You just have no way to defend your points lmao. You've shown your true colours.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Because Islam is Satanic, it's a false religion. Satan has words in the Koran.
And the Islamic world is falling, they had women marches for equality in Pakistan this year

That's a fair point, I do agree with you that the fall of Christianity is at the hands of women. But it's not because of Christianity itself, it's the men who are "Christians". The Bible says "do not put your strength into women" aka don't be a simp
If the men were actually strong in Christ, read their bibles, went on fasts, evangelized etc, aka be Biblical Christians, it never would have happened. Like I said bro, there is many lukewarms, don't confuse them for true soldiers of Christ.

Its sad that men overall have failed God, your right.

 

[Blackout.xl]

You just have no way to defend your points lmao. You've shown your true colours.

You expect me to honestly write out a response to somebody who thinks logic and science didn’t exist 2000 years ago and also thinks it’s relevant in the topic of religion? J f l.

Not going to waste my time as I’ve done already in this thread

 

[RAITEIII]

You just have no way to defend your points lmao. You've shown your true colours.

And I'm the one not responding anymore after seen what you come up with when you're debating.

Fuck you lol. Can't be denied you're religious lmao.

 

[Lasko123]

Deep down you know theres a chance that hell exists
You know if you kill yourself right now theres a chance you would be tortured for eternity

I think only satan and other fallen Angel's will be in hell for eternity

 

[Deleted member 5969]

Its sad that men overall have failed God, your right.

Thanks bro, very sad indeed.

 

[Blackout.xl]

And I'm the one not responding anymore after seen what you come up with when you're debating.

Fuck you lol. Can't be denied you're religious lmao.

Youre estrogenic af. Why are you angry?

 

[Jamal2222]

brother your evidence is a 2,000 year old book. we as humans have existed for millions of years. let that sink in.

Cope, Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved 200,000 years ago in East Africa. Homo erectus evolved 2 million years ago. Are you homo erectus?

 

[Deleted member 9699]

Cope, Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved 200,000 years ago in East Africa. Homo erectus evolved 2 million years ago. Are you homo erectus?

Homo erectus are still human.

 

[Deleted member 3299]

no but i would commit a lot of crime

 

[Lasko123]

The proof has to be found in their holy books. It’s impossible for me to make arguments for every single religion on the planet. My argument is that you can’t make sweeping assertions and expect others to accept them as fact.

The No physical evidence part is cope. Would historical figures and events listed in some holy books having legitimate historical basis through the writings of people (aligned or not aligned with the religion being spoken about) not be physical evidence?

There is evidence that demons exist,so there is a supernatural world

 

[Lasko123]

No, they aren't. There are open churches, but the general consensus there is that Christianity is stupid, you might as well believe in fairy tales of magic.



You shouldn't follow any one religion devoutly. If the higher power is just and merciful, there won't be any punishment for non-believers - using common sense to conclude that your religion is flawed is not a sin. If God is not just and merciful, he doesn't deserve respect - you should not worship him.

God is just but in the physical there are many trials.His own son jesus lived a sinless life and was murdered

 

[Lasko123]

Do you believe in aliens bro

Serious question because I do

Yes I think they are fallen angels

 

[Lasko123]

And you know what caused this lack of religion? Jews bro and I'm not joking , they for real introduced all this degeneracy , people have no family values , morals , look at nazi germany , these things made them powerful and we're the most important things in their life's

Jews are the enemy

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Shit thread

Didn't read

 

[Lasko123]

Because Islam is Satanic, it's a false religion. Satan has words in the Koran.
And the Islamic world is falling, they had women marches for equality in Pakistan this year

That's a fair point, I do agree with you that the fall of Christianity is at the hands of women. But it's not because of Christianity itself, it's the men who are "Christians". The Bible says "do not put your strength into women" aka don't be a simp
If the men were actually strong in Christ, read their bibles, went on fasts, evangelized etc, aka be Biblical Christians, it never would have happened. Like I said bro, there is many lukewarms, don't confuse them for true soldiers of Christ.

Allah is known as the greatest deceiver.Satan is also known as the greatest deceiver