IGF1 LR3 + HGH

[Whatsamaxilla__]

Will taking igf1 lr3 and hgh at 17 have any benefits than just taking hgh by itself or igf1 lr3 by itself?

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

HGH at 17 will give you no benefits
I'm guessing you're taking it for height

 

[muhammad18347]

Yeah it doesn't work don't do it

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

HGH at 17 will give you no benefits
I'm guessing you're taking it for height

No it was mostly to grow my clavicles wider if thats possible and grow muscle too, im not too informed on hgh yet im tryna research and ask questions.

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

Yeah it doesn't work don't do it

so which one will be better to take out of the 2 for muscle growth

 

[Foidmaxxer]

why dont niggs in this forum understand that lr3 is the worst thing you can take.

 

[muhammad18347]

so which one will be better to take out of the 2 for muscle growth

Hgh I'm my opinion u can use both. If it's just for muscle why don't u just test

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

why dont niggs in this forum understand that lr3 is the worst thing you can take.

why dont you explain why?

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

Hgh I'm my opinion u can use both. If it's just for muscle why don't u just test

Side effects, but i probably will end up taking it in the next few years tbh

 

[Foidmaxxer]

why dont you explain why?

it doesnt grow bones as it doesnt bind to receptors in bones. It also decreases your own igf1 production (the actual proper igf1 that binds to everything). It is also shit at building muscle, looks at greg doucettes video bout it for example.

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

it doesnt grow bones as it doesnt bind to receptors in bones. It also decreases your own igf1 production (the actual proper igf1 that binds to everything). It is also shit at building muscle, looks at greg doucettes video bout it for example.

So what about igf1 lr3 or is this message for both

 

[hej1377]

it doesnt grow bones as it doesnt bind to receptors in bones. It also decreases your own igf1 production (the actual proper igf1 that binds to everything). It is also shit at building muscle, looks at greg doucettes video bout it for example.

It does bind to igf receptors in bone it just does so less since its free and doesnt bind to igfbp's and therefore doesnt get sent to bone or cartilageas much, and thats a good thing not a bad one since you avoid more bone and ear growth.the downregulation of gh production recovers very quickly after you stop taking it and the desensitisation also recovers very quickly,you get constant feedbsck to your petuitairy gland it doesnt stop. Its also just crazy to say that its worse. And that it could somehow cause more igf receptor desensitization and more negative feedback rather than native igf and still build less muscle would just be mechanistically impossible. Greg is just yapping these days

so which one will be better to take out of the 2 for muscle growth

Igf lr3,more selective in the way where its more active at binding in muscle,bind less to insulin recptors making it more effective and less dangerous

Do 2-3weeks on 1 week of then repeat for however long you wanna take it

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

It does bind to igf receptors in bone it just does so less since its free and doesnt bind to igfbp's and therefore doesnt get sent to bone or cartilageas much, and thats a good thing not a bad one since you avoid more bone and ear growth.the downregulation of gh production recovers very quickly after you stop taking it and the desensitisation also recovers very quickly,you get constant feedbsck to your petuitairy gland it doesnt stop. Its also just crazy to say that its worse. And that it could somehow cause more igf receptor desensitization and more negative feedback rather than native igf and still build less muscle would just be mechanistically impossible. Greg is just yapping these days

Igf lr3,more selective in the way where its more active at binding in muscle,bind less to insulin recptors making it more effective and less dangerous

Do 2-3weeks on 1 week of then repeat for however long you wanna take it

Okay thanks bro, do i take it daily when im on? if so, how much a day?

 

[hej1377]

Okay thanks bro, do i take it daily when im on? if so, how much a day?

Yes daily,go for 100-150mcg

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

Yes daily,go for 100-150mcg

okay

Yes daily,go for 100-150mcg

will it suppress my test or anything?

 

[hej1377]

okay

will it suppress my test or anything?

No it wont,only androgens supress test, not anything related to igf or gh

 

[Aryan Incel]

Will taking igf1 lr3 and hgh at 17 have any benefits than just taking hgh by itself or igf1 lr3 by itself?

No HGH is fine by itself

 

[Foidmaxxer]

It does bind to igf receptors in bone it just does so less since its free and doesnt bind to igfbp's and therefore doesnt get sent to bone or cartilageas much, and thats a good thing not a bad one since you avoid more bone and ear growth.the downregulation of gh production recovers very quickly after you stop taking it and the desensitisation also recovers very quickly,you get constant feedbsck to your petuitairy gland it doesnt stop. Its also just crazy to say that its worse. And that it could somehow cause more igf receptor desensitization and more negative feedback rather than native igf and still build less muscle would just be mechanistically impossible. Greg is just yapping these days

Igf lr3,more selective in the way where its more active at binding in muscle,bind less to insulin recptors making it more effective and less dangerous

Do 2-3weeks on 1 week of then repeat for however long you wanna take it

Yeah i haven't done research about it affecting muscle growth and you are probably right in that, but op was talking bout also growing his clavicles and for that native igf1 is better so lowering it with lr3 is not worth it.

 

[hej1377]

Yeah i haven't done research about it affecting muscle growth and you are probably right in that, but op was talking bout also growing his clavicles and for that native igf1 is better so lowering it with lr3 is not worth it.

Oh well if thats his goal i think hgh is better since it also has direct effects on bone before conversion,if he want both i think high dose hgh or combine them

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

Oh well if thats his goal i think hgh is better since it also has direct effects on bone before conversion,if he want both i think high dose hgh or combine them

If i combine them, how should i cycle it?

 

[hej1377]

If i combine them, how should i cycle it?

You should still run them 2-3weeks on 1 of,run them at the same time

 

[rotation]

No it was mostly to grow my clavicles wider if thats possible and grow muscle too, im not too informed on hgh yet im tryna research and ask questions.

if you want to grow muscle just take test, or test + hGH

they are synergistic and the lipolysis from hGH is nice alongside testosterone

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

if you want to grow muscle just take test, or test + hGH

they are synergistic and the lipolysis from hGH is nice alongside testosterone

but the side affects from test are way more than js igf1lr3

 

[rotation]

but the side affects from test are way more than js igf1lr3

elaborate, low to moderate dose test was very minimal side effects (or none for some people, like me)

as long as you are not a retard

and I don't understand the fear mongering with 'side effects' like none of it is even serious, you won't die

 

[repulse]

LR3 is utter dogshit

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

elaborate, low to moderate dose test was very minimal side effects (or none for some people, like me)

as long as you are not a retard

and I don't understand the fear mongering with 'side effects' like none of it is even serious, you won't die

i am a retard i need to iqmax, so would a low dose of test plus hgh give me more muscle growth the lr3 plus hgh. And what would a low dose be?

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

LR3 is utter dogshit

howcome?

 

[repulse]

howcome?

If u wanna build muscle use Androgens, shitty ass peptides won't build shit lol and LR3 won't grow any bones either...

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

If u wanna build muscle use Androgens, shitty ass peptides won't build shit lol and LR3 won't grow any bones either...

i was gonna take the hgh for bones and igf1 lr3 for muscle

 

[rotation]

i am a retard i need to iqmax, so would a low dose of test plus hgh give me more muscle growth the lr3 plus hgh. And what would a low dose be?

absolutely it would. 1000x more, its not even close

depends what you mean by low dose

if you are a little smart with it you can pretty much safely run 250mg testosterone year round with almost no side effects (heavy on if you are smart with it)

but in terms of if you are cycling it, a low dose would be considered to be 300-350mg of testosterone, imo

but if you are a retard like you said, please do a lot of research before taking androgens

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

absolutely it would. 1000x more, its not even close

depends what you mean by low dose

if you are a little smart with it you can pretty much safely run 250mg testosterone year round with almost no side effects (heavy on if you are smart with it)

but in terms of if you are cycling it, a low dose would be considered to be 300-350mg of testosterone, imo

but if you are a retard like you said, please do a lot of research before taking androgens

i will dw, ive been researching mostly peptides atm, havnt taken any yet but i plan to. Wouldnt i have to take test for the rest of my life though? thats the only problem if so

 

[rotation]

i will dw, ive been researching mostly peptides atm, havnt taken any yet but i plan to. Wouldnt i have to take test for the rest of my life though? thats the only problem if so

not necessarily, but there is always a chance

people like to fear monger it to oblivion but the clinical data shows that it is easier to recover from androgen abuse than people say, especially if you are using something like hcg

I won't say you will always recover, because there is always a chance you won't, but I really don't see the issue with that

I will be voluntarily taking trt for the rest of my life because it is the logical thing to do

and the dependency thing makes no sense to me, if you didn't drink water for a week you would die, you are literally dependant on a million different things for the rest of your life

I don't understand really how trt is any different

also rep me back

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

not necessarily, but there is always a chance

people like to fear monger it to oblivion but the clinical data shows that it is easier to recover from androgen abuse than people say, especially if you are using something like hcg

I won't say you will always recover, because there is always a chance you won't, but I really don't see the issue with that

I will be voluntarily taking trt for the rest of my life because it is the logical thing to do

and the dependency thing makes no sense to me, if you didn't drink water for a week you would die, you are literally dependant on a million different things for the rest of your life

I don't understand really how trt is any different

also rep me back

yeah true, ive heard test can make you infertile too, idk if im getting mixed up with something else or just getting fear mongered again. Aldo how do i rep you back

 

[rotation]

yeah true, ive heard test can make you infertile too, idk if im getting mixed up with something else or just getting fear mongered again. Aldo how do i rep you back

people use hcg to counter/prevent the potential infertility issues and testicular atrophy from test

pretty much any fear monger you have heard can be managed through other pharmaceuticals and ancillary protocols

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

people use hcg to counter/prevent the potential infertility issues and testicular atrophy from test

pretty much any fear monger you have heard can be managed through other pharmaceuticals and ancillary protocols

How long you been on test for? And do you pin anything else?

 

[rotation]

How long you been on test for? And do you pin anything else?

I have been on testosterone for around 4 months now at 15.

and no I do not pin anything else, except glutathione but that is just for health not aesthetics

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

I have been on testosterone for around 4 months now at 15.

and no I do not pin anything else, except glutathione but that is just for health not aesthetics

bro how r you this iqmaxxed at 15

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

I have been on testosterone for around 4 months now at 15.

and no I do not pin anything else, except glutathione but that is just for health not aesthetics

also does the test fuck your health indicators?

 

[rotation]

also does the test fuck your health indicators?

it could, at higher dosages

at low dosages it is extremely unlikely and did not happen to me, especially if you take the correct protocols.

for hair loss/growth you can take ru58841 as a topical anti-androgen, dutasteride for hair loss and minoxidl for hair growth (I cannot obviously take dut at 15 because its a 5-ar inhibitor, im not sure if its even a good idea at 17 tbh so I would only use it if you start to shed pretty badly, which is also very unlikely alone at low dosage)

for bloating due to aldoesterone you could try eplenerone, although my bloating was not bad at all from 300-400mg

you may not even experience hair loss on low dosage, its pretty likely you won't get any at all depending on your genes

TLDR; low dosage test is not going to aesthetically fuck up your health indicators

 

[repulse]

yeah true, ive heard test can make you infertile too, idk if im getting mixed up with something else or just getting fear mongered again. Aldo how do i rep you back

You wont go infertile bruh

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

it could, at higher dosages

at low dosages it is extremely unlikely and did not happen to me, especially if you take the correct protocols.

for hair loss/growth you can take ru58841 as a topical anti-androgen, dutasteride for hair loss and minoxidl for hair growth (I cannot obviously take dut at 15 because its a 5-ar inhibitor, im not sure if its even a good idea at 17 tbh so I would only use it if you start to shed pretty badly, which is also very unlikely alone at low dosage)

for bloating due to aldoesterone you could try eplenerone, although my bloating was not bad at all from 300-400mg

you may not even experience hair loss on low dosage, its pretty likely you won't get any at all depending on your genes

TLDR; low dosage test is not going to aesthetically fuck up your health indicators

ok thanks, when clav was super bloated, was that bc of the test or not? also i dont wonna build like loads of muscle mass i just want to be rlly lean with a decent aesthetic build what dosage of test e would you recommend for me?

 

[rotation]

ok thanks, when clav was super bloated, was that bc of the test or not? also i dont wonna build like loads of muscle mass i just want to be rlly lean with a decent aesthetic build what dosage of test e would you recommend for me?

you will not accidentally build too much mass, I promise you.

and I am not sure exactly what time frame you mean but most likely it was yes

you are more likely to feel too small from a cycle of test

300mg is considered a very low dose for a cycle

 

[Whatsamaxilla__]

you will not accidentally build too much mass, I promise you.

and I am not sure exactly what time frame you mean but most likely it was yes

you are more likely to feel too small from a cycle of test

300mg is considered a very low dose for a cycle

Oh ok, if i combine it with reta will the bloat be less obvious?