I’m 18 gp open

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Title^ and I wanna capitalize off my time all
My siblings grew late and at 6 foot I’m still the shortest tied with my sister so what’s the best pharma to increase final adult height and increase time they are open. Erda, even worth it ? seems like a TikTok fad but give me some ideas

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Bump

 

[davdon123678]

GH, erda, IGF-1, somatrogon, AIs even like low dose test the list goes on

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

GH, erda, IGF-1, somatrogon, AIs even like low dose test the list goes on

Okay so they basic stuff I’m on a strict timeline ofc so I’m worried about keeping the growth zones opens. Would using a testless base w Dht derivs plus gh work?

 

[davdon123678]

Okay so they basic stuff I’m on a strict timeline ofc so I’m worried about keeping the growth zones opens. Would using a testless base w Dht derivs plus gh work?

No it wont make you taller it will just completely crash your estrogen stopping that important estrogen and IGF-1 combo needed to make bones grow - it will also fuck up your joints and lipids

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

No it wont make you taller it will just completely crash your estrogen stopping that important estrogen and IGF-1 combo needed to make bones grow - it will also fuck up your joints and lipids

Thank you I did not know that much appreciation

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Thank you I did not know that much appreciation

No it wont make you taller it will just completely crash your estrogen stopping that important estrogen and IGF-1 combo needed to make bones grow - it will also fuck up your joints and lipids

Also what if I take hgh which ghrps bc hgh shuts down natural production the time I’m on

 

[Lord Vader]

Title^ and I wanna capitalize off my time all
My siblings grew late and at 6 foot I’m still the shortest tied with my sister so what’s the best pharma to increase final adult height and increase time they are open. Erda, even worth it ? seems like a TikTok fad but give me some ideas

thats extraordinary lucky to have open plates at 18, enjoy.

 

[davdon123678]

Also what if I take hgh which ghrps bc hgh shuts down natural production the time I’m on

No running a DHT derivative with GH won’t work either because bone growth needs estrogen to work alongside the GH
Suppressing your natural hormone production without a test base is a bad idea as it fucks the body’s estrogen levels

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

No running a DHT derivative with GH won’t work either because bone growth needs estrogen to work alongside the GH
Suppressing your natural hormone production without a test base is a bad idea as it fucks the body’s estrogen levels

Oh yea sorry I meant like with a test base now. Aside I was saying would their be any point running gh and ghrps do they have any dualistic effects

 

[Niebvll]

GH, erda, IGF-1, somatrogon

Somatrogon is essentially GH
GH is useless
So is injecting IGF1
Erda could do stuff

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

thats extraordinary lucky to have open plates at 18, enjoy.

I developed early due to Dht so I shot up and became mad hairy and horny early but tbh I think most people have open growth zones in some regions at 18. It’s def more nuanced than its made out to be.

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Somatrogon is essentially GH
GH is useless
So is injecting IGF1
Erda could do stuff

You think gh is useless? I could take it for the recovery sleep and other benefits tho no? Even if height gains are minimal

 

[Niebvll]

You think gh is useless?

For height

I could take it for the recovery sleep and other benefits tho no?

Yeah thats fair
Especially on a test base

Even if height gains are minimal

Theyre nonexistent

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

For height

Yeah thats fair
Especially on a test base

Theyre nonexistent

If you had to create the pharma for height gains what would you say.
Also I might get half an inch due to spine lubrication.

 

[davdon123678]

Oh yea sorry I meant like with a test base now. Aside I was saying would their be any point running gh and ghrps do they have any dualistic effects

Adding a test base will fix that estrogen crash but combining that GH with GHRP’s doesn’t offer any dualistic benefit
That GH shuts down the pituitary’s natural release cuz of negative feedback
If you take the test it provides the estrogen needed for bone growth. Don’t take a shit tonne as higher doses will speed up the bone maturing - closing your plates faster and cutting down that window to grow

 

[davdon123678]

Somatrogon is essentially GH
GH is useless
So is injecting IGF1
Erda could do stuff

I disagree GH isn’t useless man
Why do you think so?

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Adding a test base will fix that estrogen crash but combining that GH with GHRP’s doesn’t offer any dualistic benefit
That GH shuts down the pituitary’s natural release cuz of negative feedback
If you take the test it provides the estrogen needed for bone growth. Don’t take a shit tonne as higher doses will speed up the bone maturing - closing your plates faster and cutting down that window to grow

I was planning on running it with mast at like 250 for my first cycle.

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

I disagree GH isn’t useless man
Why do you think so?

Yea I would like to know as well

 

[davdon123678]

I was planning on running it with mast at like 250 for my first cycle.

Don’t do that for a first cycle especially if you want to grow - running that mast will fuck your growth plates and they will shut a lot quicker

 

[Niebvll]

If you had to create the pharma for height gains what would you say.

Too lazy to answer this
Anything osteoanabolic esp in regards to chondrocytes and gp rz

Also I might get half an inch due to spine lubrication.

Im not sure about my english here but isnt lubrication just getting something wet o algo

 

[Niebvll]

I disagree GH isn’t useless man
Why do you think so?

@Ahmed88 i really know how you feel now
The rHGHcope must be stopped

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Too lazy to answer this
Anything osteoanabolic esp in regards to chondrocytes and gp rz

Im not sure about my english here but isnt lubrication just getting something wet o al

U got me rolling no it helps pull water into spine this creating a small height gain lmaoo I just used other terms

 

[Niebvll]

I disagree GH isn’t useless man
Why do you think so?

Because it is
Its impossible due to it's mechanism of action in healthy people to increase final adult height

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

@Ahmed88 i really know how you feel now
The rHGHcope must be stopped

Any good height/erda threads I have bmed I have some videos saved but I dnred them for the time being

 

[davdon123678]

@Ahmed88 i really know how you feel now
The rHGHcope must be stopped

An explanation or a link to a thread is all I’m asking - I’m not disagreeing I’d just like to know why you think it’s cope

 

[davdon123678]

Because it is
Its impossible due to it's mechanism of action in healthy people to increase final adult height

But why there’s plenty of proof showing it can grow bonemass before your played close - as OP has said their plates are still open

 

[Niebvll]

U got me rolling no it helps pull water into spine this creating a small height gain lmaoo I just used other terms

Ok

Any good height/erda threads I have bmed I have some videos saved but I dnred them for the time being

Not really
Except my own self dilution guide
its in german though and low effort honestly
I dont think theres an indepth fgfr3i guide
I wanted to make one but never continued after section 1
I dont think you need a guide or thread on this

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Ok

Not really
Except my own self dilution guide
its in german though and low effort honestly
I dont think theres an indepth fgfr3i guide
I wanted to make one but never continued after section 1
I dont think you need a guide or thread on this

Thanks brah

 

[Niebvll]

But why there’s plenty of proof showing it can grow bonemass before your played close - as OP has said their plates are still open

Bonemass doesnt even exist
And no that evidence doesnt exist the way you think it does

An explanation or a link to a thread is all I’m asking - I’m not disagreeing I’d just like to know why you think it’s cope

HGH speeds up cell proliferation in the gp, but cells have a *sort of* set limit of how many times they can proliferate
You grow faster, but not taller in the end

 

[Niebvll]

Any good height/erda threads I have bmed I have some videos saved but I dnred them for the time being

Thread 'FGFR3 INHIBITORS FOR GROWTH AND KEEPING GROWTH PLATES OPEN' https://looksmax.org/threads/fgfr3-inhibitors-for-growth-and-keeping-growth-plates-open.2170095/

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Bonemass doesnt even exist
And no that evidence doesnt exist the way you think it does

HGH speeds up cell proliferation in the gp, but cells have a *sort of* set limit of how many times they can proliferate
You grow faster, but not taller in the end

Thread 'FGFR3 INHIBITORS FOR GROWTH AND KEEPING GROWTH PLATES OPEN' https://looksmax.org/threads/fgfr3-inhibitors-for-growth-and-keeping-growth-plates-open.2170095/

Thanks man

 

[davdon123678]

Bonemass doesnt even exist
And no that evidence doesnt exist the way you think it does

HGH speeds up cell proliferation in the gp, but cells have a *sort of* set limit of how many times they can proliferate
You grow faster, but not taller in the end

Bone mass (cortical density too) is basic Wolff's Law and mechanotransduction also DEXA scans literally measure bone mineral content daily iqlet
HGH doesn't just speed up growth velocity clinical data on Idiopathic Short Stature proves it increases final adult height (source:
PMC (PMC12525321 & PubMed 11956168)

 

[Niebvll]

Bone mass (cortical density too) is basic Wolff's Law and mechanotransduction also DEXA scans literally measure bone mineral content daily iqlet

Yeah exactly bonemass is DENSITY
Where the fuck is the relation to height?
Youre calling me an iqlet but your whole argument is based on a chatgpt prompt
I also have 124iq tested LOL get flexed on nigger

HGH doesn't just speed up growth velocity clinical data on Idiopathic Short Stature proves it increases final adult height (source:

PMC (PMC12525321 & PubMed 11956168)

Do you have ISS? No you dont.
You could come and argue "ghd teens got fah increase"
Obviously nigger
He's a healthy person, not getting any FAH you fucktard
ISS just have unlucky polygenetics (or undiscovered disease) and HGH can improve the cell recruitment in the gp or bring the proliferation rate to normal if theyre lacking either somehow (said genes or disease), the cells dont live forever and if not recruited correctly you obviously lose some potential height

 

[BlameGeneticsNotMe]

Yeah exactly bonemass is DENSITY
Where the fuck is the relation to height?
Youre calling me an iqlet but your whole argument is based on a chatgpt prompt
I also have 124iq tested LOL get flexed on nigger



Do you have ISS? No you dont.
You could come and argue "ghd teens got fah increase"
Obviously nigger
He's a healthy person, not getting any FAH you fucktard
ISS just have unlucky polygenetics (or undiscovered disease) and HGH can improve the cell recruitment in the gp or bring the proliferation rate to normal if theyre lacking either somehow (said genes or disease), the cells dont live forever and if not recruited correctly you obviously lose some potential height

Also one final question what if one region is closed while another is still partially open would it grow unevenly I’m not looking for massive gains but I’m wondering

 

[davdon123678]

Do you have ISS? No you dont.
You could come and argue "ghd teens got fah increase"
Obviously nigger
He's a healthy person, not getting any FAH you fucktard
ISS just have unlucky polygenetics (or undiscovered disease) and HGH can improve the cell recruitment in the gp or bring the proliferation rate to normal if theyre lacking either somehow (said genes or disease), the cells dont live forever and if not recruited correctly you obviously lose some potential height

giving GH to an ISS patient is giving exogenous GH to a person who is already sufficient in GH and it still increased their final adult height
Again children with tumours on their pituitary glands were completely helsthy before their tumour and the excess GH made them like 7+ feet if healthy cells were really like hard capped as you claim gigantism would be impossible

 

[Niebvll]

Also one final question what if one region is closed while another is still partially open would it grow unevenly I’m not looking for massive gains but I’m wondering

Inside one or between multiple gps

 

[Niebvll]

giving GH to an ISS patient is giving exogenous GH to a person who is already sufficient in GH and it still increased their final adult height

Did you even read what I said?

ISS just have unlucky polygenetics (or undiscovered disease) and HGH can improve the cell recruitment in the gp or bring the proliferation rate to normal if theyre lacking either somehow (said genes or disease), the cells dont live forever and if not recruited correctly you obviously lose some potential height

The extra gh covered for their horrendous genes because in these extreme cases the genetics prevent 'normal' cell recruitment rate (or similar)
lots possibilities here also including telomeres but the HGH effect on that is questionable
I would be heavily interested in how you would explain that rHGH increases FAH biologically and in detail biochemically?

Again children with tumours on their pituitary glands were completely helsthy before their tumour and the excess GH made them like 7+ feet

Link?

if healthy cells were really like hard capped as you claim gigantism would be impossible

As I claim?
Senescence & hayflick limit are absolutely proven

 

[davdon123678]

The extra gh covered for their horrendous genes because in these extreme cases the genetics prevent 'normal' cell recruitment rate (or similar)
lots possibilities here also including telomeres but the HGH effect on that is questionable
I would be heavily interested in how you would explain that rHGH increases FAH biologically and in detail biochemically?

ISS isn’t a defect in GH production and by definition it’s people with normal GH levels giving them hgh is literally giving a normal person hgh. The fact that their final adult height increases without a doubt proves that the extra hgh adds height to the normal cells and doesn’t just simply fix broken cells

Link?

I believe this is it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279155/

As I claim?
Senescence & hayflick limit are absolutely proven

Growth plates don’t fuse because of the hayflick limit they fuse because estrogen tells the body to destroy the cartilage and turn it into actual bone
Literally proven through men born without estrogen receptors as they never fuse there growth plates and will just keep growing and growing into their late 20s or even 30s past 7 feet tall
If the cells had a real hard hayflick limit they would just stop growing by themself without estrogen

 

[Ahmed88]

@Ahmed88 i really know how you feel now
The rHGHcope must be stopped

Heightmaxxing in itself is a retarded cope, even the methods you describe are very low ROI even if they were true, which they aren't but you get my point

 

[Niebvll]

ISS isn’t a defect in GH production and by definition it’s people with normal GH levels giving them hgh is literally giving a normal person hgh.

you are fucking dense
i explained 3 times that this doesnt matter
ISS is bad polygenetics, which in return has an influence on chondrocyte recruitment
You can have normal GH levels but slow recruitment which would naturally lead to chondrocytes not maxxing out their division limit and entering hypertrophy too early
The extra HGH can prevent this by speeding up the cell cycle as I said from the start, the chondrocytes now get more out of their natural limit (without surpassing it) resulting in greater heighr

The fact that their final adult height increases without a doubt proves that the extra hgh adds height to the normal cells and doesn’t just simply fix broken cells

No it doesnt
You cant just add height to cells???
And when did I talk about broken cells?
Youre just babbling bullshit

I believe this is it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279155/

I will look at this if I feel like it now or if I wake up in a few hours because its 4 am
Im not sure yet

Growth plates don’t fuse because of the hayflick limit they fuse

The hayflick limit, limits the amount of cells that can eventuslly be recruited to proliferate and hypertrophe at the growth plate
Once senescence starts the chondrocytes stop proliferating, no new cells can be recruited

because estrogen tells the body to destroy the cartilage and turn it into actual bone

Do you know how this happens?
Do you even know what cartilage is?
Cartilage is chondrocytes, the estrogen speeds up their senescence which leads to eventual apoptosis
The cells die off and mineralisation starts
The senescence limits the amount of cells that can make your bone grow

Literally proven through men born without estrogen receptors as they never fuse there growth plates and will just keep growing and growing into their late 20s or even 30s past 7 feet tall

Exactly because senescence is heavily delayed meaning all their cells get to proliferate up to their limit
Which is eventually reached as well, this results in even these people having growth stops

If the cells had a real hard hayflick limit they would just stop growing by themself without estrogen

They do
You said this yourself just 1 sentence ago
"into their late 20s or even 30s"
If the cells would never die off, there would be no stop in growth

@Ahmed88 @Paul.jnxy look at this nigger genuinely trying to argue against the existebce of cell death
God youre 65 years behind and thats not even exaggerated

 

[Niebvll]

Heightmaxxing in itself is a retarded cope, even the methods you describe are very low ROI even if they were true, which they aren't but you get my point

I agree theyre low ROI especially because youre killing off lots of other cells
But imo there is a return

 

[davdon123678]

you are fucking dense
i explained 3 times that this doesnt matter
ISS is bad polygenetics, which in return has an influence on chondrocyte recruitment
You can have normal GH levels but slow recruitment which would naturally lead to chondrocytes not maxxing out their division limit and entering hypertrophy too early
The extra HGH can prevent this by speeding up the cell cycle as I said from the start, the chondrocytes now get more out of their natural limit (without surpassing it) resulting in greater heighr

No it doesnt
You cant just add height to cells???
And when did I talk about broken cells?
Youre just babbling bullshit


I will look at this if I feel like it now or if I wake up in a few hours because its 4 am
Im not sure yet

The hayflick limit, limits the amount of cells that can eventuslly be recruited to proliferate and hypertrophe at the growth plate
Once senescence starts the chondrocytes stop proliferating, no new cells can be recruited

Do you know how this happens?
Do you even know what cartilage is?
Cartilage is chondrocytes, the estrogen speeds up their senescence which leads to eventual apoptosis
The cells die off and mineralisation starts
The senescence limits the amount of cells that can make your bone grow

Exactly because senescence is heavily delayed meaning all their cells get to proliferate up to their limit
Which is eventually reached as well, this results in even these people having growth stops

They do
You said this yourself just 1 sentence ago
"into their late 20s or even 30s"
If the cells would never die off, there would be no stop in growth

@Ahmed88 @Paul.jnxy look at this nigger genuinely trying to argue against the existebce of cell death
God youre 65 years behind and thats not even exaggerated

you are fucking dense
i explained 3 times that this doesnt matter
ISS is bad polygenetics, which in return has an influence on chondrocyte recruitment
You can have normal GH levels but slow recruitment which would naturally lead to chondrocytes not maxxing out their division limit and entering hypertrophy too early
The extra HGH can prevent this by speeding up the cell cycle as I said from the start, the chondrocytes now get more out of their natural limit (without surpassing it) resulting in greater heighr

No it doesnt
You cant just add height to cells???
And when did I talk about broken cells?
Youre just babbling bullshit


I will look at this if I feel like it now or if I wake up in a few hours because its 4 am
Im not sure yet

The hayflick limit, limits the amount of cells that can eventuslly be recruited to proliferate and hypertrophe at the growth plate
Once senescence starts the chondrocytes stop proliferating, no new cells can be recruited

Do you know how this happens?
Do you even know what cartilage is?
Cartilage is chondrocytes, the estrogen speeds up their senescence which leads to eventual apoptosis
The cells die off and mineralisation starts
The senescence limits the amount of cells that can make your bone grow

Exactly because senescence is heavily delayed meaning all their cells get to proliferate up to their limit
Which is eventually reached as well, this results in even these people having growth stops

They do
You said this yourself just 1 sentence ago
"into their late 20s or even 30s"
If the cells would never die off, there would be no stop in growth

@Ahmed88 @Paul.jnxy look at this nigger genuinely trying to argue against the existebce of cell death
God youre 65 years behind and thats not even exaggerated

Im being such a droid you took this argument

 

[Niebvll]

Im being such a droid you took this argument

and then they lived happily together after

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Interesting

 

[Niebvll]

Im being such a droid you took this argument

 

[jnxy]

Somatrogon is essentially GH
GH is useless
So is injecting IGF1
Erda could do stuff

WE can all agree GH alone does not do jackshit in healthy individuals

 

[Niebvll]

WE can all agree GH alone does not do jackshit in healthy individuals

Yes we can

 

[jnxy]

Yes we can

At best you are getting your PAH but in most cases you actually lose FAH.

 

[Niebvll]

At best you are getting your PAH but in most cases you actually lose FAH.

Not sure about the losing FAH
depends on the individual probably