Im gonna get a GF via PUA day game

[DoctorLooksmax]

This is my new cope- done all the looksmaxxing I can so may as well give it a shot- better than rotting here and endlessly swiping dating apps

 

[Deleted member 14693]

You didn't even get one surgery but think you've done all looksmaxxing

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

You didn't even get one surgery but think you've done all looksmaxxing

I have one surgery booked and paid for.

Theres only 1 other id actually benefit from.

You realize its not just a question of getting x number of surgeries before you become good looking, you need actual fixable failos

 

[Indo_Chad]

Wont work you are wasting your time

Put all that effort in making in trying to get into a social circle somehow, only way to get a decent non thot girl tbh

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Wont work you are wasting your time

Put all that effort in making in trying to get into a social circle somehow, only way to get a decent non thot girl tbh

Im post uni I cant- this is the only option for me over than dating apps

 

[SeiGun]

you cant get any online? how you expect to get one using cold approach

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

you cant get any online? how you expect to get one using cold approach

I already slay online just want better quality- my looks are good enough for day game (I think). Well i expect mixed reactions but should get at least some positive responses

 

[the BULL]

fucking schizo larper. didn't you get a FWB from muh hinge?? ROPE ahhaahahahaah

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

fucking schizo larper. didn't you get a FWB from muh hinge?? ROPE ahhaahahahaah

I did yeah- I have had multiple in fact

 

[Deleted member 22354]

Im post uni I cant- this is the only option for me over than dating apps

I am also thinking about going back to uni for a meme degree, it was the best time for me, working life is not comparable. I am only surrounded by old people, no one my age. And after work I do the same thing as at university anyway.

 

[the BULL]

I did yeah- I have had multiple in fact

no one who already fucks hot girls would do fucking day game cringe.

 

[Indo_Chad]

I am also thinking about going back to uni for a meme degree, it was the best time for me, working life is not comparable. I am only surrounded by old people, no one my age. And after work I do the same thing as at university anyway.

Best lifemaxxing you can do

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Night works better and pua is bullshit, wait for iois and talk normally, no pua shit

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

I am also thinking about going back to uni for a meme degree, it was the best time for me, working life is not comparable. I am only surrounded by old people, no one my age. And after work I do the same thing as at university anyway.

I have already gotten 2 degrees so Id have to quit my job and spend my own money on tuition fees- it would be a terrible life decision overall

Best lifemaxxing you can do

just stay at uni forever theory.....

 

[ecig]

Whats your looks stats ? And where do you live ?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Night works better and pua is bullshit, wait for iois and talk normally, no pua shit

I cant do night game cos I have no friends and bouncers dont let peiple into clubs alone cos they think youre a rapist or something and even if you do get in being alone is such a failo youd need chad tier looks to recover from it

 

[Indo_Chad]

I have already gotten 2 degrees so Id have to quit my job and spend my own money on tuition fees- it would be a terrible life decision overall

just stay at uni forever theory.....

Not forever but if there is an opportunity to be around people your age then cant miss out on it

That literally what just put yourself out there that normies throw around means

You can try combat sport training or someshit and meet other men through it to build a social circle as from what I have seen shared activity is the easiest way to build social circle's after uni

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Not forever but if there is an opportunity to be around people your age then cant miss out on it

That literally what just put yourself out there that normies throw around means

You can try combat sport training or someshit and meet other men through it to build a social circle as from what I have seen shared activity is the easiest way to build social circle's after uni

I would rather just approach than joing some club where *maybe* there will be men my age, who *maybe* will want to invite me into their social cirlce (unlikelhy cos theyll have their own friends if not losers), and *maybe* thyell know single girls who theyll introduce me to (again very unlikely as men are deeply competitive when it comes to women and dont wanna help another man get sex deep down).

Lots of maybes and probs wont work- better to just cut out the bs and approach

 

[Deleted member 4444]

bro dont listen to these basement dweller high inhib incels discouragin you to take action, go the fuck out and do what you want, you wont live forever, the time is ticking, socialize and tryhard every minute youve got left, whats the worst thing that could happen? rejection? the fuck , u tell me u gonna cry and get depressed about rejection. there is literally only positives + u can train ur social skills aswell.

 

[Indo_Chad]

I would rather just approach than joing some club where *maybe* there will be men my age, who *maybe* will want to invite me into their social cirlce (unlikelhy cos theyll have their own friends if not losers), and *maybe* thyell know single girls who theyll introduce me to (again very unlikely as men are deeply competitive when it comes to women and dont wanna help another man get sex deep down).

Lots of maybes and probs wont work- better to just cut out the bs and approach

Man you do you, just know you are in for a huge disappointment and even worse sexual harassment

 

[Erik-Jón]

I have one surgery booked and paid for.

Theres only 1 other id actually benefit from.

You realize its not just a question of getting x number of surgeries before you become good looking, you need actual fixable failos

Correct not everyone has chad base, is what it is

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Man you do you, just know you are in for a huge disappointment and even worse sexual harassment

If you suggest to LDAR fair enogh- but the alternative you suggested were comical

 

[Indo_Chad]

If you suggest to LDAR fair enogh- but the alternative you suggested were comical

Was just suggesting on the basis of what worked for me, I met these two Turks playing squash at my local gym and we went out to clubs/strip clubs/restaurants almost every other Saturday for like a year straight. The amount of sexy ass Turkish bitches I met from them is crazy

 

[Johnnybegood]

I have already gotten 2 degrees so Id have to quit my job and spend my own money on tuition fees- it would be a terrible life decision overall

just stay at uni forever theory.....

Why not a master's degree? I'm around your age (25) and am thinking of doing a Master's because people are always bugging me to do it since i was a decent student.

Other than that yeah it is practically impossible to form a social circle after college unless you are prepared to risk your future just for women...or you're giga lucky.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Why not a master's degree? I'm around your age (25) and am thinking of doing a Master's because people are always bugging me to do it since i was a decent student.

Other than that yeah it is practically impossible to form a social circle after college unless you are prepared to risk your future just for women...or you're giga lucky.

I have a masters degree already and a good paying job im not just gonna quit.

I would have to pay for all the tutition myslef since I already have undergrad and postgrad loans

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Wont work you are wasting your time

Put all that effort in making in trying to get into a social circle somehow, only way to get a decent non thot girl tbh

^ *10000 i love how smarT you are in that sea of arrogant retards

 

[the BULL]

I have a masters degree already and a good paying job im not just gonna quit.

I would have to pay for all the tutition myslef since I already have undergrad and postgrad loans

You Need to stop coping and get into an LTR with a MTB

 

[Johnnybegood]

I have a masters degree already and a good paying job im not just gonna quit.

I would have to pay for all the tutition myslef since I already have undergrad and postgrad loans

Yeah better not risk something to then spend your life regretting.

It's not fun being a 30 year old loser with no money and a shitty job.

 

[Deleted member 2382]

I've been contemplating daytime approach since 2017
Eventually did it in July but it was in the morning time and I was still slightly intoxicated and extremely low energy
Was in Europe so was utter waste of time but at least I discovered I have literally no negative feelings about rejection, the only negative feeling is the fear of starting the approach

I've had it in my mind to approach JB and there's a park directly across from a school which I could just sit at until the JBs comes out on their lunch break but I just decided to rot instead every time I tried convince myself to take the 15 minute walk there
Both language barrier and looking at my maxilla in the mirror killed my motivation

 

[Deleted member 15778]

You better be fully looks max sub 12% bodyfat, workout, good skincare/eyebrow care, good clothes before you start day gaming or you will fail with 100% of girls. You won't even get social experience because they will all ignore you.

If you are looks maxed and get very good at it, you should be able to get a small percentage which can be enough if you live in a city and are able to do many approaches, or live in a town but are happy getting one good girl to make your long term partner after a few years of approaches.

This is coming from some one who's done day game, and been in a group of guys that did it obsessively, and seen many other guys that did it.

Also night game is infinitely easier than day game, but I can understand why certain people don't want to do night game.

Please report back after your first hundred approaches, and your first thousand approaches. More than likely you will have become bitter and emotionally destroyed, and will want to vent or brag if you're one in a million who can pull it off.

 

[Deleted member 16944]

I would rather just approach than joing some club where *maybe* there will be men my age, who *maybe* will want to invite me into their social cirlce (unlikelhy cos theyll have their own friends if not losers), and *maybe* thyell know single girls who theyll introduce me to (again very unlikely as men are deeply competitive when it comes to women and dont wanna help another man get sex deep down).

Lots of maybes and probs wont work- better to just cut out the bs and approach

Don't listen to these guys. None of them have done daygame or are sexually successful, they're literally clueless. Lmao @ that utter loser saying you'll get done for harassment. Pure virgin talk.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Don't listen to these guys. None of them have done daygame or are sexually successful, they're literally clueless. Lmao @ that utter loser saying you'll get done for harassment. Pure virgin talk.

I will try this weekend- I’m gonna take baby steps

This weekend I will go out in the city centre and I will cold approach 3 women I find attractive. Since I am new and will be nervous I think it’s best to dis attach myself from the results for now. To start with I think if I manage to actualy go through with approaching I should view that as a success- irrespective of the outcome

 

[Deleted member 16944]

You better be fully looks max sub 12% bodyfat, workout, good skincare/eyebrow care, good clothes before you start day gaming or you will fail with 100% of girls. You won't even get social experience because they will all ignore you.

If you are looks maxed and get very good at it, you should be able to get a small percentage which can be enough if you live in a city and are able to do many approaches, or live in a town but are happy getting one good girl to make your long term partner after a few years of approaches.

This is coming from some one who's done day game, and been in a group of guys that did it obsessively, and seen many other guys that did it.

Also night game is infinitely easier than day game, but I can understand why certain people don't want to do night game.

Please report back after your first hundred approaches, and your first thousand approaches. More than likely you will have become bitter and emotionally destroyed, and will want to vent or brag if you're one in a million who can pull it off.

Daygame has been one of the best things I've done tbh. Of course the rejection rate is big, but the rejection rate is always big, whichever method you try to get laid - most men just can't admit that because they have such frail egos.

I can literally go out on the street today and meet a fuckable girl and either bang her that same day or in a few days, plus:

- I don't have to spend money on drinks or clubs or do late nights which are unsustainable.
- I never have to worry about being catfished like with online because I'll know exactly what the girl looks like as I'll see her in the brightness of the day with minimal makeup. This a HUGE plus that most guys don't consider.
- I get fit from walking.

Plus a myriad of other benefits.

 

[Deleted member 16944]

I will try this weekend- I’m gonna take baby steps

This weekend I will go out in the city centre and I will cold approach 3 women I find attractive. Since I am new and will be nervous I think it’s best to dis attach myself from the results for now. To start with I think if I manage to actualy go through with approaching I should view that as a success- irrespective of the outcome

Just a suggestion, but I would try doing it with a wing / a mate if you can. It can be tough mentally on your own for some guys, I certainly found it hard at the start.

 

[Deleted member 15778]

Daygame has been one of the best things I've done tbh. Of course the rejection rate is big, but the rejection rate is always big, whichever method you try to get laid - most men just can't admit that because they have such frail egos.

I can literally go out on the street today and meet a fuckable girl and either bang her that same day or in a few days, plus:

- I don't have to spend money on drinks or clubs or do late nights which are unsustainable.
- Don't have to worry about being catfished like with online because I'll know exactly what the girl looks like as I'll see her in the brightness of the day with minimal makeup.
- I get fit from walking.

Plus a myriad of other benefits.

Do you live in a city?

how man approaches are you able to convert to dates? how many approaches can you do per hour?

 

[Deleted member 16944]

Do you live in a city?

how man approaches are you able to convert to dates? how many approaches can you do per hour?

Yeah live in a huge city.

At the start of the year I had 6 lays from 45 approaches. That got worse in the summer for various reasons, so now I'm closer to laying 1 in 20 girls I approach. I know some guys who have to approach 100 girls to get 1 lay though, or even 200 to get 1 lay, so the variance in skill and SMV is massive. My SMV isn't even that high, so a guy who was genuinely GL could clean up.

Per hour? it depends, some days there's loads of hot girls around, some days there isn't. I usually just put aside a whole afternoon to approach (maybe 4-5 hours), but if I wanted to I could squeeze it into 1 hour or 2.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Just a suggestion, but I would try doing it with a wing / a mate if you can. It can be tough mentally on your own for some guys, I certainly found it hard at the start.

I have no friends where I live- hence why I have had to resort to this

 

[Deleted member 4430]

I have no friends where I live- hence why I have had to resort to this forum

 

[Deleted member 15778]

Yeah live in a huge city.

At the start of the year I had 6 lays from 45 approaches. That got worse in the summer for various reasons, so now I'm closer to laying 1 in 20 girls I approach. I know some guys who have to approach 100 girls to get 1 lay though, or even 200 to get 1 lay, so the variance in skill and SMV is massive. My SMV isn't even that high, so a guy who was genuinely GL could clean up.

Per hour? it depends, some days there's loads of hot girls around, some days there isn't. I usually just put aside a whole afternoon to approach (maybe 4-5 hours), but if I wanted to I could squeeze it into 1 hour or 2.

I'm convinced living in a city is essential to get enough experience to learn.

Those are very good numbers. Literal Chads get 1 in 10. Normies who've taken a few years to learn usually get about 1 in 1000. Looks makes such a massive difference, which is why I recommended he fully looksmaxs before learning, otherwise he's wasting his time.

After looks skill makes the biggest difference. From my observation, skill actually makes a bigger difference than general social skills. The best guy's I met were a little weird but damn good at phycological manipulation specific to pickup. Their work field usually related to manipulation as well such as lawyer, phycologist, and then they consumed all the pickup books and material on top of that, as well as approached everyday for years.

Once I'm looksmaxed, and relocated to a city I'm going to give it another try.

 

[Deleted member 16944]

I'm convinced living in a city is essential to get enough experience to learn.

Those are very good numbers. Literal Chads get 1 in 10. Normies who've taken a few years to learn usually get about 1 in 1000. Looks makes such a massive difference, which is why I recommended he fully looksmaxs before learning, otherwise he's wasting his time.

After looks skill makes the biggest difference. From my observation, skill actually makes a bigger difference than general social skills. The best guy's I met were a little weird but damn good at phycological manipulation specific to pickup. Their work field usually related to manipulation as well such as lawyer, phycologist, and then they consumed all the pickup books and material on top of that, as well as approached everyday for years.

Once I'm looksmaxed, and relocated to a city I'm going to give it another try.

Yes that's why it originated in London. You need a place with a large population and a high degree of transience (girls coming and going, travelling, etc) to maximise the amount of approaches you can do without people noticing, and you need to have a constant stream of new girls to approach.

That ratio only lasted a little while for me though - I won't be able to keep that up for the year as a whole, just got some good luck at the start of the year.

Personally, I've never met any guy who had a 1 in 1,000 ratio - that's a terrible ratio. Most of the guys I've met that were at least decent looking lay somewhere in the region of 1 in 50-70 girls they speak to. They were all at least PSL5 or PSL6.

If it's 1 in 1,000, that means either the guy is approaching girls way above his SMV (he's a 5 approaching 8s), or he's got poor conversation skills, or can't convert girls via texting, doesn't know how to escalate properly etc. Most guys can do decently well if they approach girls within the same universe as them SMV-wise. I agree with you that there are certain skills that lend itself to cold approach.

If a guy came to me and said he had a 1 in 1,000 ratio I'd tell him it was over and to focus on online or something.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Yes that's why it originated in London. You need a place with a large population and a high degree of transience (girls coming and going, travelling, etc) to maximise the amount of approaches you can do without people noticing, and you need to have a constant stream of new girls to approach.

That ratio only lasted a little while for me though - I won't be able to keep that up for the year as a whole, just got some good luck at the start of the year.

Personally, I've never met any guy who had a 1 in 1,000 ratio - that's a terrible ratio. Most of the guys I've met that were at least decent looking lay somewhere in the region of 1 in 50-70 girls they speak to. They were all at least PSL5 or PSL6.

If it's 1 in 1,000, that means either the guy is approaching girls way above his SMV (he's a 5 approaching 8s), or he's got poor conversation skills, or can't convert girls via texting, doesn't know how to escalate properly etc. Most guys can do decently well if they approach girls within the same universe as them SMV-wise. I agree with you that there are certain skills that lend itself to cold approach.

If a guy came to me and said he had a 1 in 1,000 ratio I'd tell him it was over and to focus on online or something.

how many girls should I approach before I have an idea of if im just doing it totally wrong and need to rethink strategies or looksmax more etc? I was thinking if I dont get at least a few good responses from 100 approaches then its back to the drawing board.

Also whats the general jist of it- approach the girl and have a short interaction there and then, then secure either phone number or instagram (guess it doesnt really matter just some sort of means to contact her again) and set up an actual date via that

 

[Deleted member 16944]

how many girls should I approach before I have an idea of if im just doing it totally wrong and need to rethink strategies or looksmax more etc? I was thinking if I dont get at least a few good responses from 100 approaches then its back to the drawing board.

Also whats the general jist of it- approach the girl and have a short interaction there and then, then secure either phone number or instagram (guess it doesnt really matter just some sort of means to contact her again) and set up an actual date via that

There's a lot that goes into this, tbh. Quite hard to summarise it easily here. The first 50 approaches you do will probably be quite tough so I wouldn't put too much thought into the outcome or be hard on yourself.

Here's an OK example of how it might look:



The basics are:
1. Get her attention. If she's walking, you'll have to stop her. You can either do that by getting in front of her (and leaving a lot of distance so you don't invade her personal space) or doing it from the side. If she's standing still, just walk up to her and say hi.
2. Open her (I usually start with a compliment) - 'I saw you standing here and I thought you looked great, I had to quickly say hello'.
3. At this point you have to get a conversation rolling. For a beginner I'd make an assumption about her nationality 'you look Spanish / Italian / Swedish'. It doesn't really matter what you say, but you need to get a convo going, otherwise she might just leave after the compliment.
4. Talk to her for a few minutes if you can. You should know how to do this if you've been on loads of dates etc. Just banter with her, try and tease her a bit, get to know a bit about her and tell her some stuff about you.
5. If she's been standing there chatting to you for a few mins (optimal time is 5-10 minutes), then say 'Look, I need to go, but another time let's grab a drink, do you have whatsapp?' she will either say yes or no.

Throughout the whole interaction you should stand tall and speak with decent volume so you don't come across as a shy, timid cuck. Also you should be playful and light-hearted at the start. Don't go in too serious and non-NT (for lack of a better phrase) because that will weird her out.

That's it. In terms of taking her for a date then and there (instant date) you can try if you want but 99% of beginners won't be able to do it. You'll probably be full of adrenaline and anxiety so you'll probably forget to ask her in any case.

Another good resource is Tom Torero's 'beginner daygame' PDF.

 

[Deleted member 15778]

There's a lot that goes into this, tbh. Quite hard to summarise it easily here. The first 50 approaches you do will probably be quite tough so I wouldn't put too much thought into the outcome or be hard on yourself.

Here's an OK example of how it might look:



The basics are:
1. Get her attention. If she's walking, you'll have to stop her. You can either do that by getting in front of her (and leaving a lot of distance so you don't invade her personal space) or doing it from the side. If she's standing still, just walk up to her and say hi.
2. Open her (I usually start with a compliment) - 'I saw you standing here and I thought you looked great, I had to quickly say hello'.
3. At this point you have to get a conversation rolling. For a beginner I'd make an assumption about her nationality 'you look Spanish / Italian / Swedish'. It doesn't really matter what you say, but you need to get a convo going, otherwise she might just leave after the compliment.
4. Talk to her for a few minutes if you can. You should know how to do this if you've been on loads of dates etc. Just banter with her, try and tease her a bit, get to know a bit about her and tell her some stuff about you.
5. If she's been standing there chatting to you for a few mins (optimal time is 5-10 minutes), then say 'Look, I need to go, but another time let's grab a drink, do you have whatsapp?' she will either say yes or no.

Throughout the whole interaction you should stand tall and speak with decent volume so you don't come across as a shy, timid cuck. Also you should be playful and light-hearted at the start. Don't go in too serious and non-NT (for lack of a better phrase) because that will weird her out.

That's it. In terms of taking her for a date then and there (instant date) you can try if you want but 99% of beginners won't be able to do it. You'll probably be full of adrenaline and anxiety so you'll probably forget to ask her in any case.

Another good resource is Tom Torero's 'beginner daygame' PDF.

Tom Torero is the guy who said he get's 1 in 1000 lays. He didn't say that directly, he said something like he get's conversations from 10% of the girls he approaches, numbers from 10% of those, and first dates from 10% of those... or something, but I remember working out his numbers and seeing he got 1 in 1000. He may have also directly said 1 in a thousand, I don't remember. He said other top Pua's had similar numbers, unless they were very good looking.

He's also said the first 1000 approaches are just getting use to the process and you shouldn't expect any lays for those.

I know most Pua's lie about their numbers, but even though he's been caught faking infield footage, he does seem to be honest here, because if he was going to lie about these numbers he wouldn't say his success rate in one in a thousand after years of full time practice.

 

[Deleted member 16944]

Tom Torero is the guy who said he get's 1 in 1000 lays. He didn't say that directly, he said something like he get's conversations from 10% of the girls he approaches, numbers from 10% of those, and first dates from 10% of those... or something, but I remember working out his numbers and seeing he got 1 in 1000. He may have also directly said 1 in a thousand, I don't remember. He said other top Pua's had similar numbers, unless they were very good looking.

He's also said the first 1000 approaches are just getting use to the process and you shouldn't expect any lays for those.

I know most Pua's lie about their numbers, but even though he's been caught faking infield footage, he does seem to be honest here, because if he was going to lie about these numbers he wouldn't say his success rate in one in a thousand after years of full time practice.

He never said that. I've no idea where you got that idea from.

Nick Krauser said he had only a couple of lays from his first 1,000, but eventually, after a couple of years, Tom and Nick used to get 1 in 30 (approx) abroad (former Soviet Union countries) and around 1 in 50 in London.

Tusk (who ripped off basically every idea from Tom Torero) claimed a similar ratio here (but better ofc because he was way better looking): https://project-tusk.com/blogs/the-tusk-diaries/realistic-daygame-statistics

 

[Deleted member 21598]

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

He never said that. I've no idea where you got that idea from.

Nick Krauser said he had only a couple of lays from his first 1,000, but eventually, after a couple of years, Tom and Nick used to get 1 in 30 (approx) abroad (former Soviet Union countries) and around 1 in 50 in London.

Tusk (who ripped off basically every idea from Tom Torero) claimed a similar ratio here (but better ofc because he was way better looking): https://project-tusk.com/blogs/the-tusk-diaries/realistic-daygame-statistics

1 in 50 was about what I was expecting

Like of the girls you approach maybe half will have a conversation with you, of those maybe 1 in 5 guve you number/instagram and of those 1 in 5 will go for a date with you.

5*5*2= 50

I’d be happy with that as it’s a similar rate to what I currently get messaging girls on dating apps but I want somewhat better quality and it seems a bit more authentic and maybe better chance to meet gf quality girl

 

[Deleted member 16944]

1 in 50 was about what I was expecting

Like of the girls you approach maybe half will have a conversation with you, of those maybe 1 in 5 guve you number/instagram and of those 1 in 5 will go for a date with you.

5*5*2= 50

I’d be happy with that as it’s a similar rate to what I currently get messaging girls on dating apps but I want somewhat better quality and it seems a bit more authentic and maybe better chance to meet gf quality girl

You can get hotter girls IRL v.s. online by doing cold approach. I've proven this to myself multiple times, personally.

Anyway, there's no point you mentally masturbating about ratios until you go out and try it.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

You can get hotter girls IRL v.s. online by doing cold approach. I've proven this to myself multiple times, personally.

Anyway, there's no point you mentally masturbating about ratios until you go out and try it.

I think you’re right - I have a nose job in 3 weeks so maybe wait until after that hmmm

Also a friends birthday this weekend tjo so maybe when we hit the bar I’ll approach a few foids

 

[Deleted member 16944]

I think you’re right - I have a nose job in 3 weeks so maybe wait until after that hmmm

Also a friends birthday this weekend tjo so maybe when we hit the bar I’ll approach a few foids

Sounds like procrastination tbh.