I’m so glad I believe in God (Allah) [also question for atheists]

[Monarchy]

Which pronoun? I didn’t post anything ? I have. I idea what you’re even referencing here son

lol K

Good sura so shaytan’s handiwork can be good then good to know allahdullahhiii shaytan can do good

When u said it doesn’t mention anything about women retard, a lot of the time women are included with the male group.

Debunked u hard, keep coping if you want, just try understand what I’m saying kumbayaboy.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

Islamic heaven is a literal glorified brothel…
And I’m dead? Why would I want to have sex when I’m a spirit? When I die I want to be with god I don’t want lust or any of those things all sexual desire has brought me is rejection And pain in this world I want to be rid of such fleshly things and be made pure

I never envied Islamic heaven. As a teenager one of the things that put me off Islam was when my buddy told me about their heaven, it made 0 sense, why would my reward be 72 virgin? What if I don’t want sex what if I just want peace? Why won’t Allah give me a PC to play video games forever why is he giving me whores? Literal sex slaves? What a stupid heaven. It’s not for me sure some may want that good for them they can become Muslim if they are in love with the flesh but it’s always been shit to me.

Your heaven is a glorified prostitution den and your Hadiths have little boys delivering meats and it says “They don’t bleed” so your Islamic heaven is Epstein island and full off faggots like you fucking little boys in the butt

No thanks you can have your cringe faggot brothel “heaven” only a fucking RETARD would fall for that shit

Meanwhile I’ll spent eternity with god worshipping him singing and dancing for all eternity. Ooops forgot singing is haram in Islam sucks to be you

How do you cope others having things you don't possess tho. The Chad who is dating/banging your oneitis is chilling in this life AND will get to enjoy whatever comes afterwards (assuming he believes in Jesus). How's that fair for incel/non Chad/poorcel/whatever but devout Christians like you?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How do you cope others having things you don't possess tho. The Chad who is dating/banging your oneitis is chilling in this life AND will get to enjoy whatever comes afterwards (assuming he believes in Jesus). How's that fair for incel/non Chad/poorcel/whatever but devout Christians like you?

He will get what he gets if he believes in the risen lord and FOLLOWS HIS COMMANDS then sure

But from what you said it seems like he isn’t a believer and merely professes his name but that’s all, God will punish him accordingly. I’m not a Protestant evangelical nutjob I don’t believe in this “once saved always saved” bullshit that those retards made up.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

When u said it doesn’t mention anything about women retard, a lot of the time women are included with the male group.

Debunked u hard, keep coping if you want, just try understand what I’m saying kumbayaboy.

Post the verse or stfu.

Because I have no idea what you’re speaking about and no, every time heaven is mentioned in Islam it’s always about men. So show me where hoes are mentioned. Remember your prophet is the one that said women are retarded so a foid following Islam I agree has to be a dumbass Mohammed was right

You debunked nothing. Go drink shaytans handiwork in Jinnah

And you Mohammedens wonder why people call you Pisslamists braindead

 

[Numb The Pain]

mans 3 books away from being an apostate. I could make you one if I wanted all I need do is show you a few contradictions in the Quran and your gonna be GAYtheist.

Or agnostic but yeah this is the route Gaythists take before leaving Christianity I have seen it they start chatting bogus bullshit like this

I used to be atheist in high school. I don't believe any of what you or other islamophobes would show me would prove any contradictions. People have been trying to disprove the Qur'an since 1400 years ago and I doubt a random guy on a forum would be able to pull it off.

 

[mellozz246]

I'm also Islamic but often I feel like, we die and that's the end. Not sure if that's waswas but I dunno. I feel like we are coping with the idea of an afterlife to keep us all in check.

we reincarnate bro

 

[Numb The Pain]

we reincarnate bro

That's even more of a cope than an afterlife if you ask me.

 

[mellozz246]

That's even more of a cope than an afterlife if you ask me.

its not a cope i believe that its probably the truth brah, it explains everything, ur at ur situation whether good or bad is because of what u did in ur previous life and i think it just is way more reasonable

 

[mellozz246]

cuz ain't no way there can't be a dead end when we die man

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I used to be atheist in high school. I don't believe any of what you or other islamophobes would show me would prove any contradictions. People have been trying to disprove the Qur'an since 1400 years ago and I doubt a random guy on a forum would be able to pull it off.

lol fair enough. If your eyes aren’t open tot eh truth then no point me bothering ahahah. As I said it’s up to you but no point me showing you the mistakes I your book if your hearts closed. I ask normies to give me Bible contradictions all the time it’s fun debunking them most are translational errors from Greeks/hebrew to English

I’m not afraid Islam I see if for what it is and call it out for what it is.

I forgot you used to be atheist interesting. Atheism is retarded, Islam is more sensible than Islam tbh.

 

[Numb The Pain]

its not a cope i believe that its probably the truth brah, it explains everything, ur at ur situation whether good or bad is because of what u did in ur previous life and i think it just is way more reasonable

The idea of reincarnation sounds nice but it's really just a cope. There's one life and that's that. That's how I feel.

 

[terrorblade]

im allah

 

[Numb The Pain]

lol fair enough. If your eyes aren’t open tot eh truth then no point me bothering ahahah. As I said it’s up to you but no point me showing you the mistakes I your book if your hearts closed. I ask normies to give me Bible contradictions all the time it’s fun debunking them most are translational errors from Greeks/hebrew to English

I’m not afraid Islam I see if for what it is and call it out for what it is.

It's not the truth just because you believe it is. People have been trying to disprove Islam for centuries, a millennium and a half and still they haven't been able to. Reason why is because it cannot be disproven (not talking about hadiths though, those can be flawed).

I forgot you used to be atheist interesting. Atheism is retarded, Islam is more sensible than Islam tbh.

 

[mellozz246]

The idea of reincarnation sounds nice but it's really just a cope. There's one life and that's that. That's how I feel.

why does it feel like cope tho it's idk probably very logical, karma based life

 

[Numb The Pain]

why does it feel like cope tho it's idk probably very logical, karma based life

It doesn't just feel like a cope, it's exactly a cope that makes you say "oh if I'll be a good person I'll be chad in my next life," or "things aren't going well because I used to be a bad person." This type of thinking is the exact definition of coping.

 

[mellozz246]

It doesn't just feel like a cope, it's exactly a cope that makes you say "oh if I'll be a good person I'll be chad in my next life," or "things aren't going well because I used to be a bad person." This type of thinking is the exact definition of coping.

i mean u just repay all ur karmas so it probably explains the ups and downs i don't see any other explanation of people being born with problems or something because why would it happen if God loves us all, he would clearly make it all a happy world for us right? so ig the Karma system is way more logical making us accountable for what we get and what we do

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

It's not the truth just because you believe it is. People have been trying to disprove Islam for centuries, a millennium and a half and still they haven't been able to. Reason why is because it cannot be disproven (not talking about hadiths though, those can be flawed).

People have only been trying to disprove it recently because nobody had the translations to critique it and sharia forbid anybody critiquing it

Sure one or 2 people int past critique it but as a whole it hasn’t undergone even 1% of the scrutiny the Bible has and already the Quran is being riddled with holes and issues that cannot be resolved esp for you with your lack of Hadiths.

The Bible has stood every test of rigor from every belief form and has remained unblemished it’s truly a miracle tbh how badly the Bible moggs everything created. Even Gaytheists now have to make up bullshit because their arguments have been debunked again and again. The non cowardly atheists now go for Islam because it’s easier to deal with and Muslims have less experience in apologetics of defending their beliefs.

 

[Numb The Pain]

i mean u just repay all ur karmas so it probably explains the ups and downs i don't see any other explanation of people being born with problems or something because why would it happen if God loves us all, he would clearly make it all a happy world for us right? so ig the Karma system is way more logical making us accountable for what we get and what we do

It's just a different take on the afterlife but both feel like mega copes to me.

 

[Numb The Pain]

People have only been trying to disprove it recently because nobody had the translations to critique it and sharia forbid anybody critiquing it

Sure one or 2 people int past critique it but as a whole it hasn’t undergone even 1% of the scrutiny the Bible has and already the Quran is being riddled with holes and issues that cannot be resolved esp for you with your lack of Hadiths.

The Bible has stood every test of rigor from every belief form and has remained unblemished it’s truly a miracle tbh how badly the Bible moggs everything created. Even Gaytheists now have to make up bullshit because their arguments have been debunked again and again. The non cowardly atheists now go for Islam because it’s easier to deal with and Muslims have less experience in apologetics of defending their beliefs.

People have been trying to refute it since 1400 years ago, it was the Arab pagans that first tried doing this. It says so in the Qur'an. Given your supposed knowledge I thought you would have known this by now because you even know about stoning monkey hadiths.

 

[mellozz246]

It's just a different take on the afterlife but both feel like mega copes to me.

ok man i respect ur opinion

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

People have been trying to refute it since 1400 years ago, it was the Arab pagans that first tried doing this. It says so in the Qur'an. Given your supposed knowledge I thought you would have known this by now because you even know about stoning monkey hadiths.

Not extensively as I have been saying. Not extensively the same way German classical scholars have been picking apart the Bible along with the reformers aka Muslims with the Bible

Having a mild critique is said of every religion and faith. But the Quran hasn’t undergone extensive scholarly attacks yet. When a British man made a documentary on if Mohammed was real due to the lack of evidence in Mecca etc Mohammedens threw death threats. You lot have experienced that only now, my people have been dealing with these types of attacks since the 18th century.

There’s a reason why the bibles the most read and studied book in human existence it’s not comparable and that’s partly why our apologists beat yours in every meaningful debate because Muslims just don’t have the same history and culture of defending their faith from the infidels. To beat Muslims in a debate for us is easy just read the Quran and Hadith and you’re good for Muslims they have to read our beliefs then teach themselves how to defend theirs as Muslims don’t face criticism like we Christian’s do so we naturally know how to defend our faith

 

[Numb The Pain]

ok man i respect ur opinion

You're Dharmic I take it?

 

[Deleted member 46404]

knew this nigga was gonna turn this into a war bro

 

[mellozz246]

You're Dharmic I take it?

yeah man lol

 

[Numb The Pain]

Not extensively as I have been saying. Not extensively the same way German classical scholars have been picking apart the Bible along with the reformers aka Muslims with the Bible

Having a mild critique is said of every religion and faith. But the Quran hasn’t undergone extensive scholarly attacks yet. When a British man made a documentary on if Mohammed was real due to the lack of evidence in Mecca etc Mohammedens threw death threats. You lot have experienced that only now, my people have been dealing with these types of attacks since the 18th century.

There’s a reason why the bibles the most read and studied book in human existence it’s not comparable and that’s partly why our apologists beat yours in every meaningful debate because Muslims just don’t have the same history and culture of defending their faith from the infidels. To beat Muslims in a debate for us is easy just read the Quran and Hadith and you’re good for Muslims they have to read our beliefs then teach themselves how to defend theirs as Muslims don’t face criticism like we Christian’s do so we naturally know how to defend our faith

Regardless of the methods, the intention is that of disproving the Qur'an and none have succeeded. I firmly believe no one is going to "crack the code," simply because it's impossible. The Qur'an is the Word of God. I cannot say the same about hadiths because it's the Word of Man, that's why you will read ridiculous things in it sometimes. But you know how "my people" can be, they tend to be mindless drones with limited intellect who leave no room for thinking for themselves. I had NPCs saying, "Which scholar has said so?" which literally proves my very point.

 

[Numb The Pain]

yeah man lol

Are you a believer of a monotheism or polytheism? A friend of mine, who identifies as Hindu, says it's monotheistic as opposed to polytheistic, and then proceeded to say how many things were similar to major religions such as Islam. He's a cool guy.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Regardless of the methods, the intention is that of disproving the Qur'an and none have succeeded. I firmly believe no one is going to "crack the code," simply because it's impossible. The Qur'an is the Word of God. I cannot say the same about hadiths because it's the Word of Man, that's why you will read ridiculous things in it sometimes. But you know how "my people" can be, they tend to be mindless drones with limited intellect who leave no room for thinking for themselves. I had NPCs saying, "Which scholar has said so?" which literally proves my very point.

As I said sura 17:1 is a conundrum without the Hadiths your god is calling a prophet “God” and no it’s not Mohammed most likely Moses as the next verse is about him.

This is just one but I like it for displaying how incoherent the Quran is without Hadiths. But yeah your ppl are retwrded like Protestant evangelicals both Muslims and them have equal IQ. Both evangelicals and Muslims(fundamentalists) make religious people look retarded it’s quite sad

 

[mellozz246]

Are you a believer of a monotheism or polytheism? A friend of mine, who identifies as Hindu, says it's monotheistic as opposed to polytheistic, and then proceeded to say how many things were similar to major religions such as Islam. He's a cool guy.

i mean ig a bit of both, it's basically multiple avatars and forms of God which people worship, i think people worship the form of God to whom they can relate the most with

 

[Numb The Pain]

As I said sura 17:1 is a conundrum without the Hadiths your god is calling a prophet “God” and no it’s not Mohammed most likely Moses as the next verse is about him.

This is just one but I like it for displaying how incoherent the Quran is without Hadiths. But yeah your ppl are retwrded like Protestant evangelicals both Muslims and them have equal IQ. Both evangelicals and Muslims(fundamentalists) make religious people look retarded it’s quite sad

What the hell is a connondrum?

 

[Numb The Pain]

i mean ig a bit of both, it's basically multiple avatars and forms of God which people worship, i think people worship the form of God to whom they can relate the most with

What if it was originally a monotheistic religion but became polytheistic? Such things can happen also. And vice versa.

 

[mellozz246]

What if it was originally a monotheistic religion but became polytheistic? Such things can happen also. And vice versa.

i mean it could be possible but I don't think so, i think I did read somewhere that the scriptures say God is one but to be fair I think God can exist in multiple forms as he is very complex and can't just be a single entity yk he can be both single and multiple ig

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What the hell is a connondrum?

A mindfuck something they will stun you shock you flabbergast you leave you unable to answer leave you in a situation where you have to accept than has an issue

 

[Numb The Pain]

i mean it could be possible but I don't think so, i think I did read somewhere that the scriptures say God is one but to be fair I think God can exist in multiple forms as he is very complex and can't just be a single entity yk he can be both single and multiple ig

I see.

 

[mellozz246]

I see.

yah brah I liked idk discussing all this with you thank you

 

[Numb The Pain]

A mindfuck something they will stun you shock you flabbergast you leave you unable to answer leave you in a situation where you have to accept than has an issue

I'll read the Surah and see what I think.

Okay, I just read it and I don't see what is contradictory about this? Is it because of the usage of "We" instead of "I"? I admit that can be confusing but that doesn't really disprove anything. We already know classical Arabic is a sophisticated language so it would likely be the result of mistranslation.

I notice there's notes to this verse, which I will read and see what they say.

 

[Numb The Pain]

yah brah I liked idk discussing all this with u thank u

Likewise.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I'll read the Surah and see what I think.

Okay, I just read it and I don't see what is contradictory about this? Is it because of the usage of "We" instead of "I"? I admit that can be confusing but that doesn't really disprove anything. We already know classical Arabic is a sophisticated language so it would likely be the result of mistranslation.

I notice there's notes to this verse, which I will read and see what they say.

This whole video breaks the issue down brutally even Hadiths, and Tasfir relating to that one verse. Yes that ONE VERSE is brutal for you esp as your Quran only

I honestly want you to watch the whole video because he debunks what you said it’s brutal. I can do it but he is much more versed in it then me

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

I used to tear up at anime when I was 14, now that I’m 39 I realize that was gay

Nigga 39? Bros prehistoric

 

[Numb The Pain]

This whole video breaks the issue down brutally even Hadiths, and Tasfir relating to that one verse. Yes that ONE VERSE is brutal for you esp as your Quran only

I honestly want you to watch the whole video because he debunks what you said it’s brutal. I can do it but he is much more versed in it then me

The video is listed as "unavailable," that said I think I came up with a perfectly fine explanation and that's why I have no need to watch a video such as this as it's someone with a clear agenda, twisting things to fit his misguided perspective. You know I don't keep myself busy with religious videos and the like, I don't even watch videos by imams or whatever, let alone that of those trying (and failing) to debunk Islam.

 

[Numb The Pain]

This whole video breaks the issue down brutally even Hadiths, and Tasfir relating to that one verse. Yes that ONE VERSE is brutal for you esp as your Quran only

I honestly want you to watch the whole video because he debunks what you said it’s brutal. I can do it but he is much more versed in it then me

Lol the note doesn't even explain the "Our" translation part.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Lol the note doesn't even explain the "Our" translation part.

I had to write it out for you

Sura 7:52 Quran says it’s explains all things in the book is perfectly clear and explains the verses

Sura 17:1 Glory be to the One Who took His servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose surroundings We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs.Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.

Who is that servant from the Quran it doesn’t say who or which prophet it is you can’t say it’s Mohammed it doesn’t say.



Where is masjid al haram and masjid al Aqsa using only the Quran. The Quran doesn’t say where Masjid Haram is, so it’s not clear. Whereas the furthest mosque (Masjid al aqsa) Muslims will say Jerusalem but Quran doesn’t state where it is



Who is saying “glory be to him”? So Allah is glorifying himself ?



The one allah is showing signs too is now the hearer and all seeing? And the “Him” is still the servant because if not why would Allah need to show himself his own miracles.



So Allah calls the servant seeing and all hearing as it’s the same he, Him in the verse





TASFIR:

In his Tafsir, Ibn Kathir explains that Surah Al-Isra (17:1) refers to the night journey of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), where he was miraculously taken from the Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) in Mecca to the Farthest Mosque (Masjid al-Aqsa), located in Jerusalem. Ibn Kathir and other classical commentators suggest that this event marks the first part of the Isra and Mi’raj, where Muhammad (PBUH) travels from the Kaaba in Mecca to Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. issue is TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED IN 70 AD BY ROMANS.



kathir says he went there ( jeersuleem temple) on Burak with Gabriel tired him to the door and entered and led a prayer with prophets, but there was no temple to enter



HISTORY

The mosque known as Masjid al Aqsa that was built by Abdul malik in 691AD ) years after Mohammed died so what temple did Mohammed visit… Mohammed would had visited in 621AD.



When Umar ibn al khatab conquered Jereuslem the site of the temple where it used to stand was a waste dumb where he had to clean it out where he went to the Temple Mound where temple used to stand he found it as a waste dump, the holy house at that time never existed at that point. This is where he established a place of prayer at at the location decades later became the Al Aqsa mosque

 

[Numb The Pain]

I had to write it out for you

Sura 7:52 Quran says it’s explains all things in the book is perfectly clear and explains the verses

Sura 17:1 Glory be to the One Who took His servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose surroundings We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs.Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.

Who is that servant from the Quran it doesn’t say who or which prophet it is you can’t say it’s Mohammed it doesn’t say.



Where is masjid al haram and masjid al Aqsa using only the Quran. The Quran doesn’t say where Masjid Haram is, so it’s not clear. Whereas the furthest mosque (Masjid al aqsa) Muslims will say Jerusalem but Quran doesn’t state where it is



Who is saying “glory be to him”? So Allah is glorifying himself ?



The one allah is showing signs too is now the hearer and all seeing? And the “Him” is still the servant because if not why would Allah need to show himself his own miracles.



So Allah calls the servant seeing and all hearing as it’s the same he, Him in the verse





TASFIR:

In his Tafsir, Ibn Kathir explains that Surah Al-Isra (17:1) refers to the night journey of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), where he was miraculously taken from the Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) in Mecca to the Farthest Mosque (Masjid al-Aqsa), located in Jerusalem. Ibn Kathir and other classical commentators suggest that this event marks the first part of the Isra and Mi’raj, where Muhammad (PBUH) travels from the Kaaba in Mecca to Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. issue is TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED IN 70 AD BY ROMANS.



kathir says he went there ( jeersuleem temple) on Burak with Gabriel tired him to the door and entered and led a prayer with prophets, but there was no temple to enter



HISTORY

The mosque known as Masjid al Aqsa that was built by Abdul malik in 691AD ) years after Mohammed died so what temple did Mohammed visit… Mohammed would had visited in 621AD.



When Umar ibn al khatab conquered Jereuslem the site of the temple where it used to stand was a waste dumb where he had to clean it out where he went to the Temple Mound where temple used to stand he found it as a waste dump, the holy house at that time never existed at that point. This is where he established a place of prayer at at the location decades later became the Al Aqsa mosque

Appreciate the effort. Anyway, the servant refers to a prophet of God, though I do not know which prophet. Some things in the Qur'an are left ambiguous. I don't know why it has to be tied to a specific prophet, what if it's an unknown prophet? The Qur'an just names a few prophets, not all of them. The glory part suggests to me that people should praise the Lord. I don't see why any of this would shake a believer's faith, except for the "Our/We" part which is definitely confusing but again, I see it as a possible mistranslation that could be explained if one has knowledge of classical Arabic.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Appreciate the effort. Anyway, the servant refers to a prophet of God, though I do not know which prophet. Some things in the Qur'an are left ambiguous. I don't know why it has to be tied to a specific prophet, what if it's an unknown prophet? The Qur'an just names a few prophets, not all of them. The glory part suggests to me that people should praise the Lord. I don't see why any of this would shake a believer's faith, except for the "Our/We" part which is definitely confusing but again, I see it as a possible mistranslation that could be explained if one has knowledge of classical Arabic.

It has to be tied to a prophet because the book claims to be clear revelation and detailed and explains all things 7:25

You don’t even know who the servant is you can’t say it’s Mohammed either but your scholars and mainstream belief is that it’s him

And it’s speaking about Travelinf from closest mosque to furthest… which prophet in Islam is known for doing this night journey ? You know who but once again you need tradition and Hadith for this lol

Oh so god is just glorifying himself randomly speaking like that? Ok weird but that’s not a contradiction or anything just found it odd

No it’s not a miss translation the Arabic says “He is all seeing all hearing” so yes the Arabic corvettes this verse and all translations keep it like this as well

This is brutal for you because your prophet went to a mosque that doesn’t exist and your god calls him God and then your Quran fails to be explained and fully detailed


That’s 3 issues alone one verse

But hey you can bring a horse to a bank but can’t make him drink

 

[Numb The Pain]

It has to be tied to a prophet because the book claims to be clear revelation and detailed and explains all things 7:25

You don’t even know who the servant is you can’t say it’s Mohammed either but your scholars and mainstream belief is that it’s him

And it’s speaking about Travelinf from closest mosque to furthest… which prophet in Islam is known for doing this night journey ? You know who but once again you need tradition and Hadith for this lol

Oh so god is just glorifying himself randomly speaking like that? Ok weird but that’s not a contradiction or anything just found it odd

No it’s not a miss translation the Arabic says “He is all seeing all hearing” so yes the Arabic corvettes this verse and all translations keep it like this as well

This is brutal for you because your prophet went to a mosque that doesn’t exist and your god calls him God and then your Quran fails to be explained and fully detailed


That’s 3 issues alone one verse

But hey you can bring a horse to a bank but can’t make him drink

Actually, coming to think of it, it makes sense to link it to a prophet but now I'm thinking: a servant could even be a non-prophet, couldn't it? Speaking of the mosques, we don't know which mosques are referred to. You and others are assuming such, to fit the narrative but it doesn't have to be that. There were so many mosques throughout history so why should it have to be a recent one? It's open to interpretation, I feel. That said, how can you, a non-classical Arabic speaker say it's not a mistranslation? You do not speak classical Arabic, none of us do.

There are zero issues, you are just wanting to view it as issues because you have a clear agenda. God says it clearly when He says He leads who He wills, that's all I can say.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Actually, coming to think of it, it makes sense to link it to a prophet but now I'm thinking: a servant could even be a non-prophet, couldn't it? Speaking of the mosques, we don't know which mosques are referred to. You and others are assuming such, to fit the narrative but it doesn't have to be that. There were so many mosques throughout history so why should it have to be a recent one? It's open to interpretation, I feel. That said, how can you, a non-classical Arabic speaker say it's not a mistranslation? You do not speak classical Arabic, none of us do.

There are zero issues, you are just wanting to view it as issues because you have a clear agenda. God says it clearly when He says He leads who He wills, that's all I can say.

Muslim scholars and Tasfirs of the Islamic tradition say how this verse is to be interpreted. And that it’s the Isra and mi’raj

These aren’t Hadiths btw but how it’s supposed to be interpreted to not interpret it this way is literally a form of Kufr you’ll be like a Jehovah witness Mormon or some other heretic. You can’t even call yourself a Muslim if you deny the earliest tasfirs from the most credible sources that’s like a Christian’s ignoring the church fathers exegesis of the bible text it’s ludicrous.

Well as I said your clearly not willing to learn I show you blatant issues and you can’t refute them so you say “well I don’t believe this to beeeee and ima ignore all the scholars and early Muslims on this and ima just breeze past the part where the Quran is truly detailed and fully explained and ignore the historical impossibility of Al Aqsa mosque being created before 691 lol and ima just say it’s a translation error that it says “He” is all seeing and all hearing even though the Arabic Quran says the exact same thing and it means the exact same thing because sheiks and Imams all throughout Islam believed this to be the case but I Gengar know more than them Kafir dogs im the only real Muslim clearly

But hey, you can bring a horse to a bank but can’t make them drink. You choose to be blind we’ll go ahead

 

[Numb The Pain]

Muslim scholars and Tasfirs of the Islamic tradition say how this verse is to be interpreted

These aren’t Hadiths btw but how it’s supposed to be interpreted to not interpret it this way is literally a form of Kufr you’ll be like a Jehovah witness Mormon or some other heretic. You can’t even call yourself a Muslim if you deny the earliest tasfirs from the most credible sources that’s like a Christian’s ignoring the church fathers exegesis of the bible text it’s ludicrous.

Well as I said your clearly not willing to learn I show you blatant issues and you can’t refute them so you say “well I don’t believe this to beeeee and ima ignore all the scholars and early Muslims on this and ima just breeze past the part where the Quran is truly detailed and fully explained and ignore the historical impossibility of Al Aqsa mosque being created before 691 lol and ima just say it’s a translation error that it says “He” is all seeing and all hearing even though the Arabic Quran says the exact same thing and it means the exact same thing because sheiks and Imams all throughout Islam believed this to be the case but I Gengar know more than them Kafir dogs im the only real Muslim clearly

But hey, you can bring a horse to a bank but can’t make them drink. You choose to be blind we’ll go ahead

Yes I know you aren't using any hadiths, I know what tafsirs are but you are pretending I follow scholars. I have my own interpretations and they are fine, none of this shakes my faith because there's nothing compelling enough for it to be shaken. The Qur'an does not have any flaws and those who saying it does are clearly those with an agenda. But I know they are wrong, misguided and astray. Therefore I'm in the clear because at least I recognize it.

 

[LiL 369]

Was just watching a clip of a romance anime (angel beats) and started legit tearing up bros, how can atheists even cope with believing that this life is their only life, and it (most of the time) can’t be like those romance anime’s (or irl movies if ur a normie) if I was in that position I think I would be in nonstop tears

If u have more than 1 life, why dont u just kys when something goes wrong... I mean u believe there's something more right? then if u r born ugly+manlet+balding sure go ahead kys and start again or whatever...

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Yes I know you aren't using any hadiths, I know what tafsirs are but you are pretending I follow scholars. I have my own interpretations and they are fine, none of this shakes my faith because there's nothing compelling enough for it to be shaken. The Qur'an does not have any flaws and those who saying it does are clearly those with an agenda. But I know they are wrong, misguided and astray. Therefore I'm in the clear because at least I recognize it.

Man this nigga is indoctrinated badly.

Believe what you want that one verse destroys your religion and thus the response is cope. I get it though when your indoctrinated you cannot enable even when you see such a brutal L any mental gymnastics to overcome the L

1) quran isn’t clear and detailed and doesn’t explain everything in detail

2) Al Aqsa mosque(temple Jerusalem) doesn’t exist during Mohammed’s time (this is needed as it is Mohammed’s night journey where he ascends Isra and Mi-raj)

3) Allah commits shirk associating partners with himself

Anyways this convos over if you wanna remain blind be my guest

I still lav ya brah just wanna say you appealing to Islamic predestinationism makes your Allah look capricious and bad, it means he’s the reason why people sin they have no free will and he’s not a nice deity just thought I’d give u a heads up just don’t throw that around so much

 

[Numb The Pain]

Man this nigga is indoctrinated badly.

Believe what you want that one verse destroys your religion and thus the response is cope. I get it though when your indoctrinated you cannot enable even when you see such a brutal L any mental gymnastics to overcome the L
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1) quran isn’t clear and detailed and doesn’t explain everything in detail

2) Al Aqsa mosque(temple Jerusalem) doesn’t exist during Mohammed’s time (this is needed as it is Mohammed’s night journey where he ascends Isra and Mi-raj)

3) Allah commits shirk associating partners with himself

Anyways this convos over if you wanna remain blind be my guest

How am I indoctrinated if there was no one to teach me these things?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

How am I indoctrinated if there was no one to teach me these things?

You were raised in an Islamic household

The indoctrination is your bullheadedness to see the truth and still deny it to cope.

It’s common with religious people and especially those in cults. There’s a fine line between the two but Mormons JW and Muslims tend to have this mindset you have. I pity you guys.

Also re read my final paragraph I added something you may wanna take heed of next time you say “Allah leads who he wants and misguides who he wants” it’s a bad bad bad bad bad verse to keep saying I tell you that as a friend