Im the most masculine person on this forum.

[fr0st]

You misunderstand me, I'm not against learning new things via books, I personally read a lot on many subjects but saying you learn a lot from fiction is a lot of the time cope. Could you get some lessons from them ? Sure, but you'd learn even more from real life living and interacting with people. Almost all literature and philosophy contradicts an overinflated ego but guess what, people still develop them because they think simply reading makes them superior in some way, which it doesn't.
I personally noticed that people who take in interest in very moralistic philosophy such as Kantianism tend to actually have the biggest assholes you'd meet even though the actual philosophy tells them to be otherwise.

Well, the issue you have lies within the individual and not the broader subject. We can argue over the semantics of whoever saw who act, however, you have to critique the singular entity. Now, in regards to fiction, you cannot possibly live through every scenario on your own, nor will you get such insight. Although I can agree with you on some level, simply saying most of fiction is useless is, in my opinion, absurd. Truly great fiction is written by great minds and, in some ways, serves as a philosophical paper in and of itself. And in terms of recreational use, reading is far superior to playing Fortnite for 10 hours; we can both agree on that. In terms of hobbies, reading is by far one of the most constructive. Not only does it improve attention span, cognition, and critical thinking, etc., but it also generally gives you new thoughts you can think and ponder about, which will, in turn, improve your insight and unique perspective.

 

[voluptuousness]

Well, the issue you have lies within the individual and not the broader subject. We can argue over the semantics of whoever saw who act, however, you have to critique the singular entity. Now, in regards to fiction, you cannot possibly live through every scenario on your own, nor will you get such insight. Although I can agree with you on some level, simply saying most of fiction is useless is, in my opinion, absurd. Truly great fiction is written by great minds and, in some ways, serves as a philosophical paper in and of itself. And in terms of recreational use, reading is far superior to playing Fortnite for 10 hours; we can both agree on that. In terms of hobbies, reading is by far one of the most constructive. Not only does it improve attention span, cognition, and critical thinking, etc., but it also generally gives you new thoughts you can think and ponder about, which will, in turn, improve your insight and unique perspective.

finally something smart

 

[fr0st]

Bro they are different but psychology is the descendant of philosophy. The went hand in hand until they decided to split and form a more empirical analysis of human behaviour, namely modern psychology (much of it was actually founded by jews so a lot of it is useless since it's propaganda).

But they just dont. i understand what you are saying but you are arguing over art and science philosophy does not look at things from a neural standpoint nor did the philosophers of old none of them wrote about pattern behavior and even if they did it would hold no ground due to them not having the accurate technology and studies we have today.

 

[averagenormie]

I mean seriously think about it if i were not i wouldnt be making threads about cool shit like books and shit i dont know where this femboy rumor started but its pissing me off EVERY FUCKING THREAD I RESPOND TO IM JUST GETTING CALLED A FOID AND A FEMBOY IM A FUCKING MAN YOU CAN SEE MY FACE IM A DUDE ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY ITS JUST FUCKING ANNOYING

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[fr0st]

send me pics

25 dollars for feet 50 for ass 100 for dick.

 

[averagenormie]

25 dollars for feet 50 for ass 100 for dick.

No no no i wanna see your beautiful face for 0$

 

[fr0st]

No no no i wanna see your beautiful face for 0$

Someone posted my rate me thread in here go on a quest for the lost city of faggot to find it.

 

[averagenormie]

Someone posted my rate me thread in here go on a quest for the lost city of faggot to find it.

I'm too lazy just send the link

 

[RomanianZaddy]

Well, the issue you have lies within the individual and not the broader subject. We can argue over the semantics of whoever saw who act, however, you have to critique the singular entity. Now, in regards to fiction, you cannot possibly live through every scenario on your own, nor will you get such insight. Although I can agree with you on some level, simply saying most of fiction is useless is, in my opinion, absurd. Truly great fiction is written by great minds and, in some ways, serves as a philosophical paper in and of itself. And in terms of recreational use, reading is far superior to playing Fortnite for 10 hours; we can both agree on that. In terms of hobbies, reading is by far one of the most constructive. Not only does it improve attention span, cognition, and critical thinking, etc., but it also generally gives you new thoughts you can think and ponder about, which will, in turn, improve your insight and unique perspective.

Tbh this whole discussion is just mental masturbation on both of our sides with no real application but at least it's fun.
What you say about "great" literature can also be applied to videogames, yeah reading something good beats playing a shit game all day but same goes for playing a good game (RDR2, Witcher 3) over reading a shit book.
Overall most people still don't really benefit from reading because they will most likely never reach those deep insights and philosophical undertones without some additional support.
New thoughts gained through reading still can't hold the candle from real life experience no matter how you put it, most writers are biased in their work by their own moral frameworks and opinions, meanwhile someone that fought in Iraq or worked on an oil rig has no such luxury since they need to take reality as it is not as you'd like it to be.

 

[voluptuousness]

I'm too lazy just send the link so I can beat my shit

 

[voluptuousness]

Tbh this whole discussion is just mental masturbation on both of our sides with no real application but at least it's fun.

ong

 

[fr0st]

Tbh this whole discussion is just mental masturbation on both of our sides with no real application but at least it's fun.
What you say about "great" literature can also be applied to videogames, yeah reading something good beats playing a shit game all day but same goes for playing a good game (RDR2, Witcher 3) over reading a shit book.
Overall most people still don't really benefit from reading because they will most likely never reach those deep insights and philosophical undertones without some additional support.
New thoughts gained through reading still can't hold the candle from real life experience no matter how you put it, most writers are biased in their work by their own moral frameworks and opinions, meanwhile someone that fought in Iraq or worked on an oil rig has no such luxury since they need to take reality as it is not as you'd like it to be.

Intellectualism and experience are different but both applicable. an oil rig worker will not understand the idea of existentialism nor will he most likely come up with the meaning of life and purpose. however he has knowledge in regards of dedication hardwork ect this is not useless infact many can argue it holds higher than scholarly knowledge however to say one is useless and the other is meaningful doesnt really hold ground as both are interchangeable in my opinion. Think of it as a small town engineer working on a church as apposed to a nasa engineer working on the challenger project on a broader scale which is more important? Video game quality is fair however the story plot and theme are many times diluted by gameplay as apposed to books where you get nothing but plot.

 

[fr0st]

ong

Stop instigating nigga

 

[RomanianZaddy]

Intellectualism and experience are different but both applicable. an oil rig worker will not understand the idea of existentialism nor will he most likely come up with the meaning of life and purpose. however he has knowledge in regards of dedication hardwork ect this is not useless infact many can argue it holds higher than scholarly knowledge however to say one is useless and the other is meaningful doesnt really hold ground as both are interchangeable in my opinion. Think of it as a small town engineer working on a church as apposed to a nasa engineer working on the challenger project on a broader scale which is more important? Video game quality is fair however the story plot and theme are many times diluted by gameplay as apposed to books where you get nothing but plot.

I never said it's downright useless, which is probably my fault for not clarifying but that it's useless for most people and has no practical application in their lives. Yeah it gives food for thought but ultimately that's all it remains. For a person to truly gain knowledge and change something they need an inner hunger for said thing which no amount of forced reading and intellectual "stimulation" can trigger. Most people specifically hate learning about new things and books because of school, where they were forced fed informaion they had no interest for. Even I only started seriously reading more widely just after I was done with school.
About the video game stuff, some people need that extra "distraction" so that they can concentrate on the larger picture and story. You probably know the MBTI theory in regards to personality type and how that will affect people in regards to media they consume. A thinking type will gravitate towards book and science while a sensorial type will gravitate more towards videogames and hands on experience.

 

[voluptuousness]

Stop instigating nigga

im not lol

 

[voluptuousness]

I never said it's downright useless, which is probably my fault for not clarifying but that it's useless for most people and has no practical application in their lives. Yeah it gives food for thought but ultimately that's all it remains. For a person to truly gain knowledge and change something they need an inner hunger for said thing which no amount of forced reading and intellectual "stimulation" can trigger. Most people specifically hate learning about new things and books because of school, where they were forced fed informaion they had no interest for. Even I only started seriously reading more widely just after I was done with school.
About the video game stuff, some people need that extra "distraction" so that they can concentrate on the larger picture and story. You probably know the MBTI theory in regards to personality type and how that will affect people in regards to media they consume. A thinking type will gravitate towards book and science while a sensorial type will gravitate more towards videogames and hands on experience.

You really got a point but that does not apply to everyone imo . Life in modern society is not what it used to be, and that's why books are simply not seen the same way anymore. Some time ago, intellectual work was associated with the image of the aristocracy, with powerful, intelligent people. Now, people leaf through books of fiction and philosophy of brothels and think they have achieved something, their condition remaining the same, their work having no effect on their lives. Now, even 100 years ago, it was something to be praised, that you are a scholar, that you are a man of books, notebooks, but everything has changed, everything is different, everything has degenerated into mediocrity. So, I would rather live like a middle-class intellectual, a philologist from 100-200 years ago, than conform to the way young people see life now .

 

[RomanianZaddy]

You really got a point but that does not apply to everyone imo . Life in modern society is not what it used to be, and that's why books are simply not seen the same way anymore. Some time ago, intellectual work was associated with the image of the aristocracy, with powerful, intelligent people. Now, people leaf through books of fiction and philosophy of brothels and think they have achieved something, their condition remaining the same, their work having no effect on their lives. Now, even 100 years ago, it was something to be praised, that you are a scholar, that you are a man of books, notebooks, but everything has changed, everything is different, everything has degenerated into mediocrity. So, I would rather live like a middle-class intellectual, a philologist from 100-200 years ago, than conform to the way young people see life now .

Of course, what I meant to outline in my previous post is that you can't force things on people. Everyone is different and needs and responds differently to certain stimulus and the way they get it.
You will like certain things and a certain way of life and I will like another and that doesn't invalidate either of our views because at large the most important things on life are largely subjective. You can argue that someone that lives in Paris is living better than a Masai tribesman but ultimately you can't expect to be right, especially if you take all aspects into account.
I kinda disagree on the whole degeneracy thing, human nature (in my view) is intrinsically degenerated and animalistic.
You think Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would've still chose to become philosophers if they were "chads" with a lot of options regarding sex partners ? Most likely not.

 

[voluptuousness]

I kinda disagree on the whole degeneracy thing, human nature (in my view) is intrinsically degenerated and animalistic.
You think Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would've still chose to become philosophers if they were "chads" with a lot of options regarding sex partners ? Most likely not.

i love this dude , because it really seems to me that to be human means to degenerate continuously, to be in an eternal state of decadence as this has been happening since Adam and Eve. It happens that I just finished reading Nietzsche almost in complete works and to be honest, depression is inevitable. I simply swing between cosmic emptiness and the nothingness of the Styx. I sway in a melancholy rooted in something nonexistent, in nostalgia for virtual experiences. Really , the symbol of woman is the only thing that keeps me alive, the only thing that motivates me to evolve, to move forward. Im so fucking depressed man and I get what you mean by books being a way to cope with problems , but am I just a cunt for struggling with metaphysical problems at 17 ?

 

[RomanianZaddy]

i love this dude , because it really seems to me that to be human means to degenerate continuously, to be in an eternal state of decadence as this has been happening since Adam and Eve. It happens that I just finished reading Nietzsche almost in complete works and to be honest, depression is inevitable. I simply swing between cosmic emptiness and the nothingness of the Styx. I sway in a melancholy rooted in something nonexistent, in nostalgia for virtual experiences. Really , the symbol of woman is the only thing that keeps me alive, the only thing that motivates me to evolve, to move forward. Im so fucking depressed man and I get what you mean by books being a way to cope with problems , but am I just a cunt for struggling with metaphysical problems at 17 ?

This is the same conclussion I reached, no matter what you do, no matter what you achieve, sooner or later you'll deal with the emptiness again and will have to find the next thing to temporarily fill the void. I don't think everyone get's this and I genuinely envy people that can just enjoy life as it comes to them, no need for deeper introspection or analysis beyond the present moment. I think what we have just stems from having a slightly more developed level of awareness than most together with a lack of a sense of community from a young age (I was bullied for being fat for example) and this lack of interaction made us think we are not good enough as we are socially or physically and drove us to change ourselves and seek deeper truths which was only a leap into the metaphorical abyss that we will be never able to escape from. Ultimately all we can do is aknowledge that we will probably never be able to fill that inner and just keep moving forward, from one distraction to another but with time I think there's joy in such a process of forever becoming and never ending, never becoming a finished product.
Are you a cunt for dealing with metaphysical problems at 17 ? No, you are just a twink.