Imagine, after years of effort, discipline, time and money spent, and having finally achieved the dreamed end goal of your (soft) looksmaxxing

[Zyros]

Imagine staying true to my goal during almost 5 years. Imagine fighting myself and my spontaneously bloating face for YEARS, with my life being a constant paranoia about if I look hideous or acceptable, including self harming on days of unexpected bloat. Imagine still having hope, staying true to your diet and lifestyle which, by the way, is entirely directed at avoiding bloat in the face. Imagine bloat in the face, specially after losing weight, directing your life, like avoiding always dinner with friends or cancelling dates depending on surprise bad bloat days. Imagine also too saving up and spending almost 1K on botox to correct masseter hypertrophy because you want to do things right.

Imagine after years and years of fighting, something finally "clicking" and you stop having volatile bloat. Imagine finally your body readapting to a new metabolism after all the years of continued hard work and hope and discipline and not letting yourself go. Imagine finally realyzing the dream, knowing that you will always look consistent. Imagine going finally to dinner with friends, seeing that face didnt balloon up and almost crying tears of joy. Imagine having also obvious irl feedback to your final result of all the years of effort. Imagine having the trill of just being able to take a walk being confortable in your own skin. Imagine no longer having to step away from guys with wider frames as a framecel, because you now have actually something going for you while most lazy fucks dont even have a basic jawline.

Now imagine enjoying around 1-2 months of your new finally happy, paranoia-free, upbeat life and suddenly you get slapped with this in the face

Essentially covering EVERY bit of the face that shows your progress over the last years. Now imagine everyone acting smug as if they are almost glad, and saying "get used to it, this is life from now on". Imagine feeling so cheated you can't contain your rage from being sent back to square zero.

My only bastions left (mask free areas) are cafeterias and night bars. If these get the compulsory mask rule too im just gonna go hermit mode.

FUCK MASKS AND FUCK THOSE GLAD ABOUT THEM

 

[Mateusz74]

Should’ve framemaxxed as well during those years tbh

 

[Zyros]

Should’ve framemaxxed as well during those years tbh

My frame was no longer a problem once my face got super lean, I had tested wearing light clothes and didnt see a worse reaction irl I was perfectly able to attract girls in clubs still during those tests. I was so fucking happy finally god fuck masks.

I mean a normal human frame would boost me a lot, but I think that any gain would be so low that it would be pointless.

 

[Spartacus1-]

How did you fix your frame though?

 

[Zyros]

How did you fix your frame though?

I didnt, Thing is once I got my true lean face, I no longer "needed" the frame concealing, as I told the other user, I tested wearing light clothes and didnt seem to matter much. I guess because the very visible leanness of the face made it less "off-putting" or that "somethings wrong". Botox masseter making zygos the widest part of my face instead of middle between zygo and gonion helped a lot too.

 

[Mateusz74]

My frame was no longer a problem once my face got super lean, I had tested wearing light clothes and didnt see a worse reaction irl I was perfectly able to attract girls in clubs still during those tests. I was so fucking happy finally god fuck masks.

I mean a normal human frame would boost me a lot, but I think that any gain would be so low that it would be pointless.

It’s understandable that u have had success in clubs and with girls in general but I think it’s not fair to say you wouldn’t improve with a better frame through lifting. Why do u feel like the gains would be small?

 

[Zyros]

It’s understandable that u have had success in clubs and with girls in general but I think it’s not fair to say you wouldn’t improve with a better frame through lifting. Why do u feel like the gains would be small?

Because I will never look big in clothes, and im sure im the type of guy whose genetics are more about muscle getting hardness and definition, not raw size. In addition, for me to force myself to get actual bigger muscles, I would need either steroids (BIG NO) or do a super-bulk that would ruin my new improved lean metabolism and trash all my progress. Most of my looksmaxxing time was spent on being constant and disciplined on new diet so my body slowly changed its metabolism, so doing a sudden change in diet to bulking, whiuch is also famously known to bloat people, is another big nope.

 

[RAITEIII]

Imagine bloat in the face, specially after losing weight, directing your life, like avoiding always dinner with friends or cancelling dates depending on surprise bad bloat days

I know of this jfl. Terrible life...

How did u manage to "look consistent"?

 

[Mateusz74]

Because I will never look big in clothes, and im sure im the type of guy whose genetics are more about muscle getting hardness and definition, not raw size. In addition, for me to force myself to get actual bigger muscles, I would need either steroids (BIG NO) or do a super-bulk that would ruin my new improved lean metabolism and trash all my progress. Most of my looksmaxxing time was spent on being constant and disciplined on new diet so my body slowly changed its metabolism, so doing a sudden change in diet to bulking, whiuch is also famously known to bloat people, is another big nope.

Well firstly you don’t need to eat over a 1000 calories to do a good bulk. Yeah u will build slightly more muscle on a bigger surplus but honestly its negligible. There is obviously a limit to how much muscle u can gain naturally through bulking. Therefore doing “super-bulks” like u mentioned are in fact pointless.

What’s better is to do a very lean bulk(100-200 surplus) or even maintenance calories(as a beginner). You will not gain much fat from this and keep making gains. Fat loss will be minimal but the amount of muscle u build will pay off. As far as the “hardness and defintion” goes, muscle only grows and shrinks.

 

[Zyros]

I know of this jfl. Terrible life...

How did u manage to "look consistent"?

I kind of dont know. After years of following the diet consistently, I started to get less bloat days, first were less random ones. Now I dont bloat from since cheat meals as I did before while beforehand I would gain very apparent bloat from a single cheat dish. I think its just "getting the body used to" new healthier habits.

 

[Mateusz74]

Because I will never look big in clothes, and im sure im the type of guy whose genetics are more about muscle getting hardness and definition, not raw size. In addition, for me to force myself to get actual bigger muscles, I would need either steroids (BIG NO) or do a super-bulk that would ruin my new improved lean metabolism and trash all my progress. Most of my looksmaxxing time was spent on being constant and disciplined on new diet so my body slowly changed its metabolism, so doing a sudden change in diet to bulking, whiuch is also famously known to bloat people, is another big nope.

As far as the looking big goes, at the same bodyfat with more muscle, you WILL look bigger and better hence helping ur frame. Why not improve if u can and try it out?

 

[Deleted member 5683]

Lol u can't catch a break

 

[Zyros]

As far as the looking big goes, at the same bodyfat with more muscle, you WILL look bigger and better hence helping ur frame. Why not improve if u can and try it out?

Because I fear now ruining all my previous work by trying to be greedy or something. My life irl was already great with what I done.

 

[RAITEIII]

I kind of dont know. After years of following the diet consistently, I started to get less bloat days, first were less random ones. Now I dont bloat from since cheat meals as I did before while beforehand I would gain very apparent bloat from a single cheat dish. I think its just "getting the body used to" new healthier habits.

What food gives you that bloat and what do u use yo eat?

Youre coping about ur frame btw

 

[Zyros]

Lol u can't catch a break

im just search the fucking internet or anywhere for skin-tight masks ala superheroes or something like that. Or masks that only cover the muzzle and leave the cheeks exposed.

 

[Zyros]

What food gives you that bloat and what do u use yo eat?

Youre coping about ur frame btw

It was carbs and sodium. I had spent former years with absolute horrid diets. Only my tendency to stay skinny saved me from being fat or obese by then but it caused me to develop an incredible tendency to store bloat and water weight in the face, which is what I corrected by cutting sugars, salt, carbs and shit like that. I didnt eat less, I changed what things I ate.

Why am I coping about frame?

 

[Mateusz74]

Because I fear now ruining all my previous work by trying to be greedy or something. My life irl was already great with what I done.

Understandable considering u worked very hard to get rid of the bloat and now u fear it may come back or u might look worse. Nevertheless consider it imo

 

[xdxdxnice1]

why did you have to correct masseter hypertrophy did you chewmaxx too hard or something?

 

[Zyros]

why did you have to correct masseter hypertrophy did you chewmaxx too hard or something?

I dont know how I got it. I think it may have been because of some accident in the past involving involuntary tension on jaw for a lot of time after, and taht constant tension even when sleeping may have built them up. I know its not from any "current" thing as its been more than a year since I did it and I didnt need to do it anymore.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

I dont know how I got it. I think it may have been because of some accident in the past involving involuntary tension on jaw for a lot of time after, and taht constant tension even when sleeping may have built them up. I know its not from any "current" thing as its been more than a year since I did it and I didnt need to do it anymore.

why did you want to get rid of it though? aren’t most people trying to achieve masseter hypertrophy?

 

[sytyl]

over for jaw area copers, it's the era of eye era chads now

 

[Zyros]

why did you want to get rid of it though? aren’t most people trying to achieve masseter hypertrophy?

It looked very ugly in me. The bulge started right under the zygo, completely killing the shape, and bulked outwards being the widest part of teh face. When I had bloat days + this I looked like obese chimpunk while actually having a jawline.
former:

now:

(its the same side second is mirrored)
It also gave me that "line of volume" shadow that goes from the ear till the cheekbone (zygo) which I didnt have before, and shifted the entire weight of my face to my eye area, where it should be, plus making my under jawline sharper at the back, close to gonions.

 

[Deleted member 4612]

brutal ngl

but Zyros, can't you slay on Tinder?

 

[xdxdxnice1]

It looked very ugly in me. The bulge started right under the zygo, completely killing the shape, and bulked outwards being the widest part of teh face. When I had bloat days + this I looked like obese chimpunk while actually having a jawline.
former:View attachment 569430
now: View attachment 569431

(its the same side second is mirrored)
It also gave me that "line of volume" shadow that goes from the ear till the cheekbone (zygo) which I didnt have before, and shifted the entire weight of my face to my eye area, where it should be, plus making my under jawline sharper at the back, close to gonions.

i see thanks man. i think i’m gonna stop chewing tbh i’ve noticed when i’m bloated my bones look bad even though i have good bones. ur post is good proof that hypertrophy isn’t always ideal

 

[Zyros]

i see thanks man. i think i’m gonna stop chewing tbh i’ve noticed when i’m bloated my bones look bad even though i have good bones. ur post is good proof that hypertrophy isn’t always ideal

Yeah, some people are lucky and have cheekbones that end really low (Brad Pitt is like the posterchild of this) so you can go all out with hypetrophy without looking bloated.

 

[Zyros]

brutal ngl

but Zyros, can't you slay on Tinder?

Tinder is kinda dead here. might try tho but I'd have to nuke my pre-debloat account somehow to reset the MMR

 

[Deleted member 4612]

Tinder is kinda dead here. might try tho but I'd have to nuke my pre-debloat account somehow to reset the MMR

brutal

i feel for you though. leanmaxxing is no easy task, and now you have to cover your hollow cheeks?

erfuel

good luck with getting foids

 

[sytyl]

My frame was no longer a problem once my face got super lean,

lifefuel for me

 

[Zyros]

brutal

i feel for you though. leanmaxxing is no easy task, and now you have to cover your hollow cheeks?

erfuel

good luck with getting foids

Thanks man. I'll still cling to the mask free places (I hope they dont remove them fuck) and hope this doesnt last for years or something. At least them being compulsory (when they werent mandatory, just fearful people wore them, specially old people, and young people mostly only wore them if the place was really really packed, so it was "socially acceptable" to go around without them. It was when they became mandatory that hell started)

 

[Zyros]

lifefuel for me

I mean i'm sure im still gigahindered as I see many guy slay on frame alone, but it was relieving to see that me having less layers of clothes hadnt a noticeable negative effect.

 

[sytyl]

Thanks man. I'll still cling to the mask free places (I hope they dont remove them fuck) and hope this doesnt last for years or something. At least them being compulsory (when they werent mandatory, just fearful people wore them, specially old people, and young people mostly only wore them if the place was really really packed, so it was "socially acceptable" to go around without them. It was when they became mandatory that hell started

It won't last that long, vaccine will likely roll out in December - February, masks will persist for another few months on top of that, I'd say by next April things will be fine.

 

[Zyros]

It won't last that long, vaccine will likely roll out in December - February, masks will persist for another few months on top of that, I'd say by next April things will be fine.

Oh, still about a year but doesnt sound too bad as long as socializing in cafeterias and night pubs is still done mask free. Having a "visible" date would relieve me so much. I see so many people irl commenting about how "this is life from now on" like this is gonna be permanent and wearing masks will become a new "base" society trait.

 

[RAITEIII]

It was carbs and sodium. I had spent former years with absolute horrid diets. Only my tendency to stay skinny saved me from being fat or obese by then but it caused me to develop an incredible tendency to store bloat and water weight in the face, which is what I corrected by cutting sugars, salt, carbs and shit like that. I didnt eat less, I changed what things I ate.

Why am I coping about frame?

Bit it feels like too much effort that literally none has to do

 

[Zyros]

Bit it feels like too much effort that literally none has to do

my body was in a real real bad state from years of extreme bad diet