IMDO

[Elias]

IMDO. We know this is a god surgery for overbitecels. However, it could be a god surgery for underbitecels too.

First of all we know IMDO is done at a slower process, so this might debunk if this is possible or not, I have yet to ask a surgeon.

Lefort 1 and IMDO, instead of Lefort 1 + BSSO and/or Genio. IMDO provides far more projection for the mandible than BSSO. The results are astonishing.

What is IMDO?

www.profiloamerica.com

Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result. Then after get either a midface implant, or upper maxillary fillers: mimicking a lefort 3 osteotomy.

 

[Deleted member 1849]

who would do this on somebody with perfect occlusion.

 

[Elias]

who would do this on somebody with perfect occlusion.

A blackpilled surgeon

 

[Deleted member 3259]

IMDO. We know this is a god surgery for overbitecels. However, it could be a god surgery for underbitecels too.

First of all we know IMDO is done at a slower process, so this might debunk if this is possible or not, I have yet to ask a surgeon.

Lefort 1 and IMDO, instead of Lefort 1 + BSSO and/or Genio. IMDO provides far more projection for the mandible than BSSO. The results are astonishing.

What is IMDO?

www.profiloamerica.com

Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result. Then after get either a midface implant, or upper maxillary fillers: mimicking a lefort 3 osteotomy.

Why have i never heard of this? Is this something thats not performed in a lot of places or something? What exactly is it? Does it work like a surgery?

 

[Deleted member 1849]

A blackpilled surgeon

anyone in mind specifically?

 

[Luke LLL]

IMDO. We know this is a god surgery for overbitecels. However, it could be a god surgery for underbitecels too.

First of all we know IMDO is done at a slower process, so this might debunk if this is possible or not, I have yet to ask a surgeon.

Lefort 1 and IMDO, instead of Lefort 1 + BSSO and/or Genio. IMDO provides far more projection for the mandible than BSSO. The results are astonishing.

What is IMDO?

www.profiloamerica.com

Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result. Then after get either a midface implant, or upper maxillary fillers: mimicking a lefort 3 osteotomy.

I agree, it would mog any bimax result. It widens as well as lengthens.

 

[Elias]

I agree, it would mog any bimax result. It widens as well as lengthens.

Lifefuel for MSEcels

MSE+MSDO+IMDO+Lefort 1
Unmoggable

 

[Luke LLL]

Why have i never heard of this? Is this something thats not performed in a lot of places or something? What exactly is it? Does it work like a surgery?

Because you’re wasting your time thinking about thick skin and random copes than doing actual research.

 

[Deleted member 3259]

Because you’re wasting your time thinking about thick skin and random copes than doing actual research.

Ok I guess you know more than Eppley then. Good to know (=

 

[Elias]

Ok I guess you know more than Eppley then. Good to know (=

I mog eppley to the graveyard and back

 

[Deleted member 3259]

Because you’re wasting your time thinking about thick skin and random copes than doing actual research.

Also it seems like cope. Seems like only for teenagers

I mog eppley to the graveyard and back

IMDO is cope from what I am reading

 

[Luke LLL]

Lifefuel for MSEcels

MSE+MSDO+IMDO+Lefort 1
Unmoggable

Why would you get IMDO and MSDO? MSDO just widens, IMDO does what BSSO and MSDO do. From my understanding at least.

 

[Deleted member 1849]

MSE+MSDO

Then Lefort 1+ IMDO would acsend me hard

 

[Elias]

Why would you get IMDO and MSDO? MSDO just widens, IMDO does what BSSO and MSDO do. From my understanding at least.

Does IMDO widen the chin? I thought it would only widen the mandible

 

[Deleted member 5891]

IMDO. We know this is a god surgery for overbitecels. However, it could be a god surgery for underbitecels too.

First of all we know IMDO is done at a slower process, so this might debunk if this is possible or not, I have yet to ask a surgeon.

Lefort 1 and IMDO, instead of Lefort 1 + BSSO and/or Genio. IMDO provides far more projection for the mandible than BSSO. The results are astonishing.

What is IMDO?

www.profiloamerica.com

Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result. Then after get either a midface implant, or upper maxillary fillers: mimicking a lefort 3 osteotomy.

does it also provide ccw rotation for downswung mandible?
it does not help if it just brings the jaw forward when the gonial is shit

 

[Luke LLL]

Ok I guess you know more than Eppley then. Good to know (=

Eppley just doesn’t want to call you fat because he’s bluepilled.

Does IMDO widen the chin? I thought it would only widen the mandible

That doesn’t make sense, it’s widening at the chin so yes it is widening it. It cuts the mandible in half and widens it.

 

[Elias]

 

[Deleted member 3259]

Eppley just doesn’t want to call you fat because he’s bluepilled.

That doesn’t make sense, it’s widening at the chin so yes it is widening it. It cuts the mandible in half and widens it.

Me: Would me losing bodyfat play any part in your decision since I am overweight at the moment?

Eppley: No.

You: Autist

 

[Deleted member 5143]

IMDO is indeed a god surgery, MOGS THE FUCK OUT OF BSSO, gives a slight increase in jaw width, more forward mandible growth (can increase jaw length by 16mm) and significantly better recovery time. Overall more stunning results compared to bsso. The guy who invented it resides in Australia

 

[Elias]

@reptiles is fapping over the thought of lefort 3 + IMDO

 

[reptiles]

@reptiles is fapping over the thought of lefort 3 + IMDO

Giga tera high iq as always

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

IMDO is indeed a god surgery, MOGS THE FUCK OUT OF BSSO, gives a slight increase in jaw width, more forward mandible growth (can increase jaw length by 16mm) and significantly better recovery time. Overall more stunning results compared to bsso. The guy who invented it resides in Australia

But its distraction osteogenesis so you cant do ccw Rotation with it

Also bsso also widens the mandible up to 4mm with the right technique and advancements of 10-15mm bsso are not uncommon

 

[reptiles]

But its distraction osteogenesis so you cant do ccw Rotation with it

Also bsso also widens the mandible up to 4mm with the right technique and advancements of 10-15mm bsso are not uncommon

I want distractions for my ramus i think the ideal is 4 to 6 cm.


Mines 1.5 cm with ramus distractions i can upto 33 mm getting me up to 3.5 cm ramus length that could be a god combo ngl

 

[Deleted member 1849]

post docs willing to do lefort 1 + imdo guys

 

[Elias]

post docs willing to do lefort 1 + imdo guys

Dr Andreishev or Dr Chin could
They’d have to be blackpilled to do this as most surgeons would rather do LF1 + BSSO on a patient as its easier and more common

I know @Sergio-OMS does IMDO, if he comes back on ill ask him if he could do this, he has his practice in spain

 

[Deleted member 1849]

Dr Andreishev or Dr Chin could
They’d have to be blackpilled to do this as most surgeons would rather do LF1 + BSSO on a patient as its easier and more common

I know @Sergio-OMS does IMDO, if he comes back on ill ask him if he could do this, he has his practice in spain

Thanks man, one of the best posters here.

 

[Elias]

Thoughts? @Lorsss
You said you were getting Bimax

 

[Deleted member 1849]

Also OP whats a chin sheild oseteomy?

 

[Elias]

Also OP whats a chin sheild oseteomy?

CHIN SHIELD

"The osteotomy presented achieves this by creating a 'chin shield' where the mandibular segment advanced is relatively high on the side of the buccal cortex and lower on the lingual side and where the osteotomy or down-fracture in between is in an oblique angle in the sagittal plane. "

"The ratio of soft tissue response to bony movement in the sliding genioplasty technique was 1:0.83, whereas in the chin shield genioplasty technique, it was 1:0.99. Conclusions: In the chin shield genioplasty technique, the increase in labiomental fold depth was less than in the sliding genioplasty technique. "

"Chin shield osteotomy technique for genioplasty is a good option for horizontal as well as vertical lengthening of chin and does not cause deepening of the mentolabial fold. "

CONVENTIONAL GENIO

 

[Deleted member 1849]

CHIN SHIELD

"The osteotomy presented achieves this by creating a 'chin shield' where the mandibular segment advanced is relatively high on the side of the buccal cortex and lower on the lingual side and where the osteotomy or down-fracture in between is in an oblique angle in the sagittal plane. "

"The ratio of soft tissue response to bony movement in the sliding genioplasty technique was 1:0.83, whereas in the chin shield genioplasty technique, it was 1:0.99. Conclusions: In the chin shield genioplasty technique, the increase in labiomental fold depth was less than in the sliding genioplasty technique. "

"Chin shield osteotomy technique for genioplasty is a good option for horizontal as well as vertical lengthening of chin and does not cause deepening of the mentolabial fold. "

CONVENTIONAL GENIO

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so chin shield mogs sliding genio?

 

[Elias]

so chin shield mogs sliding genio?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 1849]

ok, so lets say someone has pretty average forward growth. what would be better

Lefort 1 + BSSO + Chin Shield and maybe assymetry correction.

or

Lefort 1 + IMDO + Chin Shield and maybe assymetry correction.

 

[Elias]

ok, so lets say someone has pretty average forward growth. what would be better

Lefort 1 + BSSO + Chin Shield and maybe assymetry correction.

or

Lefort 1 + IMDO + Chin Shield and maybe assymetry correction.

Need a picture of your side and frontal
Cant just recommend you a surgery without it, id be a fool to do so

 

[Deleted member 1849]

Need a picture of your side and frontal
Cant just recommend you a surgery without it, id be a fool to do so

pmed u

 

[Dude420]

who would do this on somebody with perfect occlusion.

A blackpilled surgeon

You can't because you can't do IMDO on the maxilla and the maxilla and the mandible have to move forward equivalently.
Stop it with your IMDO memes. IMDO targets almost no one here and almost no one is going to do bimax to begin with anyway.

 

[Elias]

You can't because you can't do IMDO on the maxilla and the maxilla and the mandible have to move forward equivalently.
Stop it with your IMDO memes. IMDO targets almost no one here and almost no one is going to do bimax to begin with anyway.

Did you even read the thread
Lefort 1 to advance the maxilla then IMDO to advance the mandible

It would cost less than bimax
It would mog bimaxs results too
Its not an invasive procedure

 

[Dude420]

Did you even read the thread
Lefort 1 to advance the maxilla then IMDO to advance the mandible

It would cost less than bimax
It would mog bimaxs results too
Its not an invasive procedure

So either way, you would get the same results since in both cases you can't move the mandible further than you moved the maxilla through Lefort1.

I am correct to point out you are wrong after reading this
"Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result."
No, at best it is the same.
The maxilla is more tricky to move forward than the mandible since the maxilla is connected with your nose and nasal airway. IMDO is of no use if you have a good bite.

Also I am not sure to what degree IMDO can work with rotational advancement of the jaws which can be very important to the aesthetic results.

 

[Elias]

So either way, you would get the same results since in both cases you can't move the mandible further than you moved the maxilla through Lefort1.

I am correct to point out you are wrong after reading this
"Lefort 1 + IMDO would mog any bimax result."
No, at best it is the same.
The maxilla is more tricky to move forward than the mandible since the maxilla is connected with your nose and nasal airway. IMDO is of no use if you have a good bite.

Also I am not sure to what degree IMDO can work with rotational advancement of the jaws which can be very important to the aesthetic results.

Yes True
But IMDO also widens the mandible and will project the chin more, mandible would only project as far as the BSSO would. This is because the chin is split using IMDO. Check the results in the video i posted, a patient looked like he had an underbite after IMDO even though prior he had an overbite, and that was without the conjunction of lefort 1

 

[Dude420]

Yes True
But IMDO also widens the mandible and will project the chin more, mandible would only project as far as the BSSO would. Check the results in the video i posted, a patient looked like he had an underbite after IMDO even though prior he had an overbite, and that was without the conjunction of lefort 1

No, it won't, you are retarded. If the maxilla moves forward by whatever mm, IMDO and BSSO will give the SAME result, since you need to preserve the perfect bite, the mandible, chin, width and whatever cope will end up at the exact same place. Sorry if you can't comprehend.

 

[Elias]

No, it won't, you are retarded. If the maxilla moves forward by whatever mm, IMDO and BSSO will give the SAME result, since you need to preserve the perfect bite they will end up at the exact same place. Sorry if you can't comprehend.

I know what you're saying.
Ive just told you the chin will project more as its split during IMDO

It also widens the mandible

Those are what differentiates it from BSSO.

JFL @ u, shit mod

 

[Dude420]

I know what you're saying.
Ive just told you the chin will project more as its split during IMDO

Pretty sure that isn't called IMDO, that is an extra procedure at the chin area on top of IMDO which replaces BSSO.
And your width thing is retarded, show a scan that shows that there are more bones on the mandible and not some swelling or frauding. If there is that would be some weird undesirable bump on the side of the mandible at best, it still wouldn't make sense. It doesn't give you lateral projection.

 

[Elias]

Pretty sure that isn't called IMDO, that is an extra procedure at the chin area on top of IMDO which replaces BSSO.
And your width thing is retarded, show a scan that shows that there are more bones on the mandible and not some swelling or frauding. If there is that would be some weird undesirable bump on the side of the mandible at best, it still wouldn't make sense. It doesn't give you lateral projection.

This is why this was labelled a discussion thread as it was a thought that entered my head while I was researching IMDO

Ill have to find evidence that it widens the mandible but its been claimed. I’ve messaged a few surgeons who specialize in IMDO, awaiting their response and ill update

Because its such an uncommon procedure, we are still learning. Ill hold my hands up you were correct about it having the same mandible projection as a BSSO because the bite needs to be aligned.

What do you think about the chin shield osteotomy in comparison to a sliding genioplasty?

 

[Dude420]

This is why this was labelled a discussion thread as it was a thought that entered my head while I was researching IMDO

Ill have to find evidence that it widens the mandible but its been claimed. I’ve messaged a few surgeons who specialize in IMDO, awaiting their response and ill update

Because its such an uncommon procedure, we are still learning. Ill hold my hands up you were correct about it having the same mandible projection as a BSSO because the bite needs to be aligned.

What do you think about the chin shield osteotomy in comparison to a sliding genioplasty?

I am not entirely sure I know what chin shield refers to. Do you have a clear image where the osteotomy is made for the chin shield?

 

[Elias]

I am not entirely sure I know what chin shield refers to. Do you have a clear image where the osteotomy is made for the chin shield?

CHIN SHIELD

"The osteotomy presented achieves this by creating a 'chin shield' where the mandibular segment advanced is relatively high on the side of the buccal cortex and lower on the lingual side and where the osteotomy or down-fracture in between is in an oblique angle in the sagittal plane. "

"The ratio of soft tissue response to bony movement in the sliding genioplasty technique was 1:0.83, whereas in the chin shield genioplasty technique, it was 1:0.99. Conclusions: In the chin shield genioplasty technique, the increase in labiomental fold depth was less than in the sliding genioplasty technique. "

"Chin shield osteotomy technique for genioplasty is a good option for horizontal as well as vertical lengthening of chin and does not cause deepening of the mentolabial fold. "

CONVENTIONAL GENIO

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Lefort + imdo ho lee fuk

You would be superseding the lords position at that point you would become God

 

[Elias]

@Dude420

A thought.

In a bimax, the reason the surgeon usually puts a limit to how much the maxilla can horizontally be advanced is because theres a limit to how much BSSO can advance the mandible. However with IMDO, much greater projection can be achieved, meaning the surgeon could advance the maxilla more than a Bimax

 

[Dude420]

@Dude420

A thought.

In a bimax, the reason the surgeon usually puts a limit to how much the maxilla can horizontally be advanced is because theres a limit to how much BSSO can advance the mandible. However with IMDO, much greater projection can be achieved, meaning the surgeon could advance the maxilla more than a Bimax

No, it is the other way around like I told you. Pushing the maxilla affects the nose shape and position. There is also a limit at which the nasal tissues can get stretched. I never heard of a maxilla advancement over 12mm, I have heard of mandible advancement over 12mm countless times (to compensate for overbite or rotation)

I am not sure about chin shield, I feel genio is the standard procedure for good reasons, whether it risks or results.

 

[Elias]

No, it is the other way around like I told you. Pushing the maxilla affects the nose shape and position. There is also a limit at which the nasal tissues can get stretched. I never heard of a maxilla advancement over 12mm, I have heard of mandible advancement over 12mm countless times (to compensate for overbite or rotation)

I am not sure about chin shield, I feel genio is the standard procedure for good reasons, whether it risks or results.

Fair enough

 

[PenileFacialSurgery]

God tier poster.

brb when I make some money, but once that happens I’m going hard on looksmaxing and research again.

 

[Deleted member 6302]

So after reading the comments

Is the general conclusion that IMDO L1 and chin shield are better then a bimax plus genio?
Or are they equal

IMDO is said to have less potential bad effects like numbness or nerve damage than a BSSO
That seems like a benefit