In an ideal world, abortions and contraceptives would be banned

[proxxyy11]

What you say is just retarded, fetuses ARE human beings, not "future human beings." They are alive individuals who must belong to a species, and that species is humans. And jerking off is bad but its not killing children

Completely my fault, I meant a person. Not "future human beings"

you're right on that account. but that's not really an argument, simply semantics as you know what I meant.

 

[wasc]

I used to be pretty much a sheep and constantly followed the appeal to authority fallacy. Where I figured that anyone who has better credentials than us are always right with everything they say - but as I grew to be older I realized how truly evil people are just to have a gain for themselves, and this includes doctors and dentists.

So I fully agree with the fact that they're probably putting some sort of chemicals needed for the baby to come out synthetically. Though I can't blindly believe that since I'm not a retarded conspiracist, but I'm sure some similar or unnecessary process is done for quick cash.

There are specific drugs to induce labor that they use (often a prostaglandins) and that causes extreme pain so they give pain suppressors that make the baby harder to retract and come out. Meaning a C SECTION easily with complications = a ton of $$$. I was a c section for this specific reason

 

[proxxyy11]

defrenciates mb gt FUCKING SLEEP ITS 7:30

Will read and reply with a paragraph

 

[Jgns]

Natural selection.

It wasn't meant to be born; let it die. There's a reason it wasn't born at the right time.

nigga I was born premature SONION

 

[proxxyy11]

yes, its called having fun

Too fucking bad nigga you can't have your fun anymore.

not everyone believes in god & wants to live life based off of a man made book

I was just making a joke boyo, kind of being hyperbolic

it would be a positive for you now but if you woke up tommorrow & looked like prime vasiliy or chico & had endless attention from girls when you go out you would never want condoms or abortions to be banned

you’re only saying this because you are not a chad

Wouldn't be thinking about my looks if the only thing females cared about was personality.

Would compare my personality to others instead.

Same way, kind and loving incels compare their shit looks to Chico and other models, yet don't think about their personality at all.

 

[proxxyy11]

minecraft

i like minecraft

 

[proxxyy11]

you are a retard GEEEG, birth is a movement of the child's location. thats all it is.

don't think this countered my argument at all

 

[theblueprints]

you are a retard GEEEG, birth is a movement of the child's location. thats all it is.

People don’t understand abortions. People need to watch abortion procedures and see how evil it actually is.

Young girls are being brainwashed about muh “my body my choice” the more empathetic gender would lose their shit if this was happening to puppies, but I guess nowadays dog lives matter more. Most foids don’t even understand what an actual abortion procedure even looks like. It’s awful

 

[Knid]

Completely my fault, I meant a person. Not "future human beings"

you're right on that account. but that's not really an argument, simply semantics as you know what I meant.

ok then, since you shouldn't kill innocent people, then abortion is wrong simple as that. consequences are irrelevant

 

[geneticappedmtn]

No tdlr= dnr

 

[Knid]

don't think this countered my argument at all

my point is that you making a distinction between fetus / baby is pointless since the moment you call a fetus a baby is defined by a mere change in location which is a trivial and irrelevant truth

 

[proxxyy11]

Keep abortions and such and have the state enforce laws (key thing here: laws > state, state only enforced laws) that people must earn the right to reproduce legally (or else their children will not be legally recognized and thus treated as an illegal) - woukd require things like graduating high school with a certain gpa given mental and physical health is adequate, demonstrated capacity for responsibility by some program highly correlated to cultivating that (something like junior military practice, or idk) such that fuckups basically will have a hard time propagating.

Hard to define “poor parenting legally”, I would just force citizens to pass through filters that give them the right to reproduce based on whether they can pass them or not, filters you actually need to cultivate certain traits for.

Aka completion of high school diploma with a gpa of 2.5 or higher, completion of some program that requires capacities highly correlated with the minimum amount of conscientious/pfc development to be functional in a society, etc.

First para is another idea that I had when I was first fantasizing about a world where only the higher IQ individuals (which would be determined by credentials) could reproduce and have control over - which was a while ago, but still not a bad idea. But would directly contradict my active diminishment of hypergamy. I was in love with this philosophical/political concept a lot a while back and were obsessed with Peter Thiel, Landian philosophy, R/acc (accelerationism), geniocracy, etc.

But, that's not what I'm arguing here.

sure poor parenting is hard to define, but what if parents were punished based on the actions of their children? might cause some future problems at the end and would be sort of unfair, but will 100% hinder any poor parenting in the future.

Agreed with the last para as well, but, still, i'm just arguing for a system that would decrease hypergamous girls/men.

 

[proxxyy11]

No tdlr= dnr

couple of replies down i made a tldr, i'll edit it in.

 

[geneticappedmtn]

couple of replies down i made a tldr, i'll edit it in.

Please broski

 

[tansel]

Wouldn't be thinking about my looks if the only thing females cared about was personality.

dude you went from comparing a life without abortions & condoms to now wanting to change how human beings fundamentally think about looks lmao

Same way, kind and loving incels compare their shit looks to Chico and other models, yet don't think about their personality at all.

who is talking about personality dude this convo was about banning abortions

personality doesn’t matter when you look like this

 

[proxxyy11]

you are literally saying this because you are not a chad

you need to invest in plastic surgery & see how different people treat you before you go off making dumb posts like this

buddy

forgot to respond to this, sure i'm not chad, yet i still do get pussy

i feel bad for those who don't and never will get the chance to. it angers me. i'm not selfish

 

[Knid]

banning abortions & condoms is on the same level of unrealism

one night stands would be gone

clubbing & partying would be gone

all that sex would be is having kids

not everyone wants to be a parent

you say all of this as if its a bad thing, LOL. you just described paradise

 

[proxxyy11]

dude you went from comparing a life without abortions & condoms to now wanting to change how human beings fundamentally think about looks lmao

there's no logical gap to my argument, reread and try to understand.

create an actual counter if my theory is poorly-constructed. not futile, retarded arguments like "oh you aren't chad" "you just don't get pussy" "muhhhhh we wanna have funnnn though i wanna fuk !!!" you fucking faggot.

who is talking about personality dude this convo was about banning abortions

personality doesn’t matter when you look like this

how have you not understood my 2-sentence tldr? LOL

 

[proxxyy11]

you say all of this as if its a bad thing, LOL. you just described paradise

exactly LMAO, i don't understand that guy's argument at all.

it's suifuel for those who are from the sidelines; if some people can't get it equally as much as others (due to genetics), then it shouldn't be a thing.

 

[tansel]

you say all of this as if its a bad thing, LOL. you just described paradise

a paradise for you because u are ugly

 

[proxxyy11]

Please broski

sorry couldn't edit it in time.

here's the tldr:

banning abortions and contraceptives would force foids to only look for a guy who would be the best father to their children (looking more inwards rather than appearance-wise). instead of them looking for a guy to give them the most fun until they have to raise and birth kids and settle with the kind ltn

 

[proxxyy11]

a paradise for you because u are ugly

what a genius and logical conclusion. what are your credentials? surely you attend a T25 and get straight A's.. right?

it'll be paradise for everyone, looks are shallow. it shouldn't be argued about.

 

[Knid]

a paradise for you because u are ugly

you cannot comprehend that somebody wants a society that isnt degenerate. even you would have to admit that a perfectly just and moral world would have monogamous relationships for the primary purpose of having kids which is what we were created to do

 

[enchanted_elixir]

First para is another idea that I had when I was first fantasizing about a world where only the higher IQ individuals (which would be determined by credentials) could reproduce and have control over - which was a while ago, but still not a bad idea. But would directly contradict my active diminishment of hypergamy. I was in love with this philosophical/political concept a lot a while back and were obsessed with Peter Thiel, Landian philosophy, R/acc (accelerationism), geniocracy, etc.

But, that's not what I'm arguing here.

sure poor parenting is hard to define, but what if parents were punished based on the actions of their children? might cause some future problems at the end and would be sort of unfair, but will 100% hinder any poor parenting in the future.

Agreed with the last para as well, but, still, i'm just arguing for a system that would decrease hypergamous girls/men.

Hypergamy sorts itself out due to rejections anyway. Making sex outside of marriage taboo resolves mass hypergamy since a man or a woman will not give you any meaningful form of attention sijce hooking up isn’t an option. Any attention is presumed to have the intent of marriage fixing folks to really get their priorities straight.

Hypergamy can express itself very easily when hookup culture exists since someone can engage in sex with you and not want to marry you so it makes hypergamy cheap to express but if you had to get married it becomes expensive since the stakes are higher.

 

[proxxyy11]

DNR but hullo is king

real, fuck elliot rodger - hullo is my saint

 

[proxxyy11]

you cannot comprehend that somebody wants a society that isnt degenerate. even you would have to admit that a perfectly just and moral world would have monogamous relationships for the primary purpose of having kids which is what we were created to do

he's a retarded faggot whose brain cannot comprehend anything outside of his own selfish desires JFL

literally uses ad homs and assumes everyone who isn't a degen is ugly or hideous and can't get pussy.

how shallow and low iq do you have to be to think that the point of life is to have fun, party, and have mindless sex? although, he did admit it himself that his brain isn't able to understand the amount of words my post had.

 

[tansel]

what a genius and logical conclusion. what are your credentials? surely you attend a T25 and get straight A's.. right?

graduated from my local state school with a degree in business

did not get straight A’s

it'll be paradise for everyone

it would make life insanely boring, no going out with friends because the idea of sex is gone, no having fun & making memories, just a sad world where sex is for making kids & partying is banished

you’re literally describing sharia law

 

[proxxyy11]

Young girls are being brainwashed about muh “my body my choice” the more empathetic gender would lose their shit if this was happening to puppies, but I guess nowadays dog lives matter more. Most foids don’t even understand what an actual abortion procedure even looks like. It’s awful

bro stop using your faggy emotions as an argument. surgery is fucking hideous and awful too - shit looks disgusting. again, not an argument.

i hate retarded bitches who say "my body my choice" as well, but i was an advocate of it since I believed it would be a net neg in society.

stop fucking arguing about low iq topics that are constantly debated by midwits all over the world already.

 

[tansel]

he's a retarded faggot

how shallow and low iq do you have to be to think that the point of life is to have fun, party, and have mindless sex?

i did not say that’s the point of life

but it’s one of the things that makes life fun

 

[Jgns]

I mean if this world does ever occur, the need for adult diapers would def soar

 

[proxxyy11]

graduated from my local state school with a degree in business

did not get straight A’s

brooooootal iq maxx, guess looks don't matter when you're not smart enough to provide for your future foid..

no going out with friends because the idea of sex is gone

do you fuck your friends? are you a fag?

it would make life insanely boring

no, it actually wouldn't. there are infinitely many copes in life and society to make life fun.

this is just simply a low iq take that i cannot agree with, why do people think that anything degenerate and rebellious is fun? nigga go play chess or some shit. have fun in other ways.

+ you can still kiss foids or finger them

you’re literally describing sharia law

nigga no the fuck i'm not

you think sharia law is about banning abortions and condoms? are you fucking retarded or what? stop creating strawmans of my argument shit pisses me off nigga

 

[proxxyy11]

I mean if this world does ever occur, the need for adult diapers would def soar

what the fuck are you even talking about

 

[Jgns]

what the fuck are you even talking about

you know what I mean nigga thats straightup the strat in some countries not even joking

 

[tansel]

brooooootal iq maxx, guess looks don't matter when you're not smart enough to provide for your future foid..

yeah dude i was having fun with friends & girls in high school, not slaving away studying

do you fuck your friends? are you a fag?

the possibility of sex is always there when you go out with your friends to a bar, club, restaurant, cafe

if sex was completely off the table people would go out a lot less

there are infinitely many copes in life and society to make life fun.

more than sex? like what?

nigga go play chess or some shit

you can still kiss foids or finger them

nobody wants to just kiss or finger them, they want sex

you think sharia law is about banning abortions and condoms?

no, sharia bans partying & music, freemixing & sex before marriage

all of which you don’t want

 

[proxxyy11]

which is a probably a big reason as to why they're so heavily pushed alongside other cancerous, society destroying ones. I dont believe abortions are evil (after like a couple months though I think the fetus has developed enough where it can consider to be fucked), honestly I have nothing against them butttt they do result in the decay of a society. You can't take away consequences for degenaracy and expect nothing to happen. But ofc a less stable society focused on the base needs of its people is gonna be too preoccupied with that to stage a revolution or cause any pushback to the bourgeois class. North America is an industrial factory where us goyim are squeezed for our life essence to fund theirs. Thats why you gt ascend and build innate leverage for urself. A person's situation always oscillates, you can be horrible one week and be best in ur department in the next, but what really defrenciates people is their character. You take everything noninnate away and thats all ur left with. Like you succeed by proxy of developing ur character, which is what u need to do to free urself from the shackles of the struggles of the average or above average male in this disgusting rat race of a society. Gt build leverage and ascend.

holy fuck you should write a book

amazing read i love the way you write

also agreed with nearly everything, yeah it's going to cause a lot of pushback and it wouldn't truly be something viable in reality - but i believe it's a good hypothetical nonetheless.

"I think, therefore I am"

at the most fundamental level, the only thing we can know with absolute certainty is the reality of our own mind, our thoughts, our conciousness, our subjective experience. everything else (the external world, other people, even our own bodies) could theoretically be illusion, simulation, or a deception of sorts (sure this is a midwit thought, but very well may be true).

thus, what truly matters isn't matter itself, but the quality and nature of our thinking. conciousness is the sole undeniable reality and the ultimate differentiator between us beings. everything else (the way we look, our bodies, faces (faggot shit like dimorphism, angularity, etc,)) is essentially null. we should judge one another solely by the quality of our thoughts and the way we think.

 

[proxxyy11]

no, sharia bans partying & music, freemixing & sex before marriage

did i ever fucking say any of that shit you retarded imbecile?

please read back what i wrote. i'm begging you, i can't argue with someone who doesn't understand my hypothetical. it's literally just talking to a nigga who says "but i did have breakfast!!"

nobody wants to just kiss or finger them, they want sex

idgaf what people want you fucking faggot, you think i care about their thoughts and emotions? i don't. they're null to me.

exactly why you are where you are in life

more than sex? like what?

look inwards and find out what fulfills and satisfies your needs, not degen-wise though. possibly love? maybe actually fucking loving a foid?

the possibility of sex is always there when you go out with your friends to a bar, club, restaurant, cafe

if sex was completely off the table people would go out a lot less

idk bro i hang out with my fucking friends when i go outside to hang out with my friends. couldn't care less if people go out less because of this, why would this affect me or others in any way? they probably found video games enjoyable instead or some other dorky shit

yeah dude i was having fun with friends & girls in high school, not slaving away studying

which is why you are where you are. probably wasn't a good idea to only think about fucking and other low iq shit when your academics are 100000x more important

 

[proxxyy11]

Bro, banning abortion would mean way more niggers

holocaust pt 2 for niggers?

all jokes aside, though, yea that's the only issue i truly see with the banning of abortions. not sure how to combat this, which is why i simply put "punishing poor parenting"

which could theoretically only be implemented by punishing parents according to what their children do (illegally). for example, if their kid committed a mass murder, all 3 of them will be punished by death.

 

[proxxyy11]

you know what I mean nigga thats straightup the strat in some countries not even joking

i'm being dead serious i really didn't understand your joke

were you just saying that more retarded babies would be born? if that's the case, there could be exceptions to killing retarded babies that would just live shit lives

a lot of down syndrome (and retarded) kids are still born to this day, though (which i think is very immoral honestly)

 

[tansel]

did i ever fucking say any of that shit you retarded imbecile?

i didn’t say it’s what you wanted i said due to abortions & condoms being banned partying & clubbing would no longer exist, which coincides with sharia law

relax dude lmao

exactly why you are where you are in life

you don’t know where i am i life dude lmao we haven’t talked that much before this

which is why you are where you are. probably wasn't a good idea to only think about fucking and other low iq shit when your academics are 100000x more important

i was bound to go to a state school anyway, i was never going to accept 40k+ worth of loans to go to a private uni

i got many grants given to me by my state school which i used for a trimax, rhino, other surgeries & filler

got a free degree & a had a good time, no regrets

 

[Outlander]

I think contraceptives are fine overall but abortion is atrocious, particularly late term abortions. Reason number one is abortions kill the baby in a very painful way (ripping it apart while alive for the retards who don't understand that). The second reason is it removes all accountability from women and removes more choices from men. Legally, she can get the baby killed even if the father wants to keep it. Also, the father isn't allowed to abandon the woman and child without paying child support should she choose to keep it.

If women can legally kill the baby without the man's permission, then he should be able to abandon the family responsibilities without any repercussions.

 

[proxxyy11]

i didn’t say it’s what you wanted i said due to abortions & condoms being banned partying & clubbing would no longer exist, which coincides with sharia law

relax dude lmao

why wouldn't it no longer exist? it still could lmao. if it doesn't exist that's due to other people not wanting it to, not because of the law that was implemented. literally has nothing to do with my argument

you don’t know where i am i life dude lmao we haven’t talked that much before this

"[graduated from state school and didn't get all As]" i can imagine you're not far in life unless you're a crypto millionaire lol - not to dish at you or anything, hope you're doing well though and will continue to do better boyo <3

was bound to go to a state school anyway, i was never going to accept 40k+ worth of loans to go to a private uni

i got many grants given to me by my state school which i used for a trimax, rhino, other surgeries & filler

got a free degree & a had a good time, no regrets

glad you're happy. that's really just how you should live life, just happymaxx.

 

[proxxyy11]

I think contraceptives are fine overall but abortion is atrocious, particularly late term abortions. Reason number one is abortions kill the baby in a very painful way (ripping it apart while alive for the retards who don't understand that). The second reason is it removes all accountability from women and removes more choices from men. Legally, she can get the baby killed even if the father wants to keep it. Also, the father isn't allowed to abandon the woman and child without paying child support should she choose to keep it.

If women can legally kill the baby without the man's permission, then he should be able to abandon the family responsibilities without any repercussions.

you're arguing for something that isn't even stated in my fucking post nigga

do you remember when you were a fetus? no? yea so i don't think abortions are immoral, yet it should be illegal

just read my thread and reply based on what i said

 

[Jgns]

holy fuck you should write a book

amazing read i love the way you write

also agreed with nearly everything, yeah it's going to cause a lot of pushback and it wouldn't truly be something viable in reality - but i believe it's a good hypothetical nonetheless.

"I think, therefore I am"

at the most fundamental level, the only thing we can know with absolute certainty is the reality of our own mind, our thoughts, our conciousness, our subjective experience. everything else (the external world, other people, even our own bodies) could theoretically be illusion, simulation, or a deception of sorts (sure this is a midwit thought, but very well may be true).

thus, what truly matters isn't matter itself, but the quality and nature of our thinking. conciousness is the sole undeniable reality and the ultimate differentiator between us beings. everything else (the way we look, our bodies, faces (faggot shit like dimorphism, angularity, etc,)) is essentially null. we should judge one another solely by the quality of our thoughts and the ways we think.

holy tysm for that dude that was vewy nice . Mb if this paragraph wont be as developed cause holy I gt fucking sleep its 8;30 am now . Yeah agreed, its prolly never going to be something viable due to h0w humans are, but if we somehow did establish that system humanity would def accelerate humanity and bring us closer to utopia.
Yeah completely agreed dude, this body is our interface into this world and reality, everything in life hinges upon how well we develop it, might be a midwit thought but u gt lay your thoughts out to develop more nuanced ones upon them yk. Fucking exactly dude, thats what truly reaching ascension imo is. Fuck i gt sleep jfl but yeah exactly dude, the quality of our thoughts is what differentiates us from non sapient creatures. I might write more tmr but FUCKK GT SLEEP

 

[Jgns]

i'm being dead serious i really didn't understand your joke

were you just saying that more retarded babies would be born? if that's the case, there could be exceptions to killing retarded babies that would just live shit lives

a lot of down syndrome (and retarded) kids are still born to this day, though (which i think is very immoral honestly)

nah dude, I was saying if they cant use contraceptives due to unwanted pregnancy, they would most likely use the backdoor if they wanted an actual 'hole' . Which umm yk over time creates the need for adult diapers

 

[jacxb]

TLDR: banning abortions and contraceptives would force foids to only look for a guy who would be the best father to their children (looking more inwards rather than appearance-wise). instead of them looking for a guy to give them the most fun until they have to raise and birth kids and settle with the kind ltn

Dnr the post maybe will read later but high iq none the less

 

[trueestoffallcels]

bum

I was thinking about this recently, and how I was actually an advocate for "her body, her choice," regardless of the countless rape jokes I make online.

I always thought this way because I felt like, without having abortions, condoms, birth control, Plan Bs, etc. retarded niggers and other ghetto, low-class faggots would be birthing kids left and right just because of the selfish needs they crave (and, yes, us too). Consequently, if this happens, they would most likely not be the best of parents; the kids will be raised poorly, eventually living a life of a criminal, and they won't provide shit to society. Probably a net negative at the end.

However, now I think inceldom is a much bigger issue than anything else. There are too many males who commit suicide and live a depressing life due to not being able to find a true connection with a foid, not being loved, not being depended on, not being able to raise a family, not live a life of value (not that raising a family is the only thing that gives life value, but it's a huge motive for it).

Been pondering about this recently and truly how sad it is that many don't get to experience what many others get too much of. Albeit, it's mainly due to mental illness and other factors, but truly some people aren't good-looking enough to find a loyal foid (not to say they're hideous or anything, but just below average, or simply just average in looks).

I have been brainstorming some solutions to this issue of "hypergamy" that many have been experiencing and complaining about, and I think I came across a fairly intellectual one: banning abortions, contraceptives such as condoms, birth control, plan bs, would be the most logically sound choice to solve this issue. Though it may only work in theory, as it might just lead to the same issue of raising retarded children to grow up to be a net negative to society - so, to solve this issue, i do believe that poor parenting should also be forbidden by law.

I think that this would work, since if abortions and contraceptives were to be banned, instead of foids looking to find a good-looking person to fuck and have fun with (before eventually settling down with a nice ltn that will always love them), they'll only be looking for someone good enough to father their children. Yes, women are much lower IQ and retarded than men are, and are thus more selfish than we will ever be, but I do think that if this ban were to be taken into action, it'll sway a lot of women's minds. It'll be taught by parents to their children to only mess around with someone who is good enough to birth and raise their children. Thus, instead of finding the top 1% they'll be searching for anyone who has a great personality, rather than simply looks. Although, sure, looks will be taken into consideration for their genes, everyone can admit that personality, kindness, and people who somewhat enforce discipline are equally as important for raising children.


Will get a lot of DNRs, so I really just want any who is above average IQ to reply and give me their opinions on this - or if it's a completely flawed concept and would never work in reality.

bump

 

[tansel]

if it doesn't exist that's due to other people not wanting it to

yeah it would be super boring to go to a club & get drunk & go home lol, even if that’s what happens for most people, just the possibility of sex makes it interesting

As]" i can imagine you're not far in life unless you're a crypto millionaire lol - not to dish at you or anything, hope you're doing well though and will continue to do better boyo <3

my grandparents are pretty rich so i just live off of them, its relaxing

glad you're happy. that's really just how you should live life, just happymaxx

thanks

good talk

proxy

one one

 

[proxxyy11]

holy I gt fucking sleep its 8;30 am now

HOLY FUCK NIGGA JUST DO AN ALL NIGHTER. drink an energy drink rq and don't gts, might actually turn into a chud.

Yeah agreed, its prolly never going to be something viable due to h0w humans are, but if we somehow did establish that system humanity would def accelerate humanity and bring us closer to utopia.

fucking based accelerationism philosophy. agreed though, degeneracy is distracting people on this Earth from what truly matters - accelerating society in some way.

Yeah completely agreed dude, this body is our interface into this world and reality, everything in life hinges upon how well we develop it, might be a midwit thought but u gt lay your thoughts out to develop more nuanced ones upon them yk. Fucking exactly dude, thats what truly reaching ascension imo is. Fuck i gt sleep jfl but yeah exactly dude, the quality of our thoughts is what differentiates us from non sapient creatures. I might write more tmr but FUCKK GT SLEEP

ur a fucking genius ily, was about to follow then i realized im already following

my past self was a fucking genius asw. thanks for the convo <3

 

[proxxyy11]

nah dude, I was saying if they cant use contraceptives due to unwanted pregnancy, they would most likely use the backdoor if they wanted an actual 'hole' . Which umm yk over time creates the need for adult diapers

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO ON GOD I DIDNT THINK ABT THAT

 

[proxxyy11]

Dnr the post maybe will read later but high iq none the less

love u boyo hope u read soon and give me ur opinions on it <3