Indians and Pakistanis are the same thing

[JohnDoe]

This thread is cancer, OP is a massive faggot that should be hung from a bridge cartel style

 

[Gengar]

Show me your hunter gatherer times results

They were different before and after the update.

Before the update:

44.2% Zagros
26.4% AASI
17.4% EHG
8.0% ANF
4.0% CHG

After the update:

31.4% Zagros
28.8% AASI
16.0% CHG
15.2% EHG
8.2% ANF

The results are still subject to change.

 

[Emiqrox]

They were different before and after the update.

Before the update:

44.2% Zagros
26.4% AASI
17.4% EHG
8.0% ANF
4.0% CHG

After the update:

31.4% Zagros
28.8% AASI
16.0% CHG
15.2% EHG
8.2% ANF

The results are still subject to change.

Interesting because your results arent much different from the average northwest indian except for high chg, which probably deviates you more from the average

 

[CFW432]

we were literally the same race and in the exact same country before the partion. India was always diverse I’m not arguing that, there just isn’t much difference in the average Indian and average paki. Just compare phenos I’m not going in circles with you again.

@Gengar

jfl look at these coping hindus


what did i say, its always lindus doing sem2sem saar.

Saar kashmiris and tamils basically look the same saar.
Saar Gujuratis and bengalis look the same saar.

What a pathetic people

 

[Gengar]

Interesting because your results arent much different from the average northwest indian except for high chg, which probably deviates you more from the average

I had more Zagros than before the update.

 

[Gengar]

@Gengar

jfl look at these coping hindus


what did i say, its always lindus doing sem2sem saar.

Saar kashmiris and tamils basically look the same saar.
Saar Gujuratis and bengalis look the same saar.

What a pathetic people

He finally explained that he’s a Sindhi Hindu. So I responded with this:

Well, you should have specified that. I thought you were some guy with no links to Pakistan and claimed we are the same race. Had you said so sooner I would not have argued with you. You can understand why I protested to this idea since I assumed you had no direct links to Pakistan. Anyway, you do not represent the average Indian, nor do Sindhis represent the average Pakistani. You just represent Sindhis and I am not denying that you are not Sindhi, but you are an outlier because Sindhis migrated from Pakistan to India and there are only four million Sindhis in a country of 1.4 billion people. You can see that why you do not represent the average Indian. Phenotype doesn't mean much, mind you. I am mistaken for being MENA all the time, even though I am fully South Asian. By the way, my closest match on IllustrativeDNA is a Sindhi, much closer than other Punjabis.

 

[CFW432]

I’m Sindhi hindu, think whatever you want with your racial prejudices. Phenos don’t lie

you fucking idiot, then what about genetic similarities? Are you going to deny these literal genetics?

As you can see pakistani indics are ONLY genetically similar to other northwestern indians. The only exceptions are literal dalit samples, which obviously no fucking surprise is going to have more AASI dna compared to your average pakistani, who isnt a dalit. Your desperation to sem2sem them with non-northwestern indians is not only disingenuous, but disgusting.

 

[Gengar]

you fucking idiot, then what about genetic similarities? Are you going to deny these literal genetics?

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As you can see pakistani indics are ONLY genetically similar to other northwestern indians. The only exceptions are literal dalit samples, which obviously no fucking surprise is going to have more AASI dna compared to your average pakistani, who isnt a dalit. Your desperation to sem2sem them with non-northwestern indians is not only disingenuous, but disgusting.

Great post bhai.

 

[ltncurry]

Well, you should have specified that. I thought you were some guy with no links to Pakistan and claimed we are the same race. Had you said so sooner I would not have argued with you. You can understand why I protested to this idea since I assumed you had no direct links to Pakistan. Anyway, you do not represent the average Indian, nor do Sindhis represent the average Pakistani. You just represent Sindhis and I am not denying that you are not Sindhi, but you are an outlier because Sindhis migrated from Pakistan to India and there are only four million Sindhis in a country of 1.4 billion people. You can see that why you do not represent the average Indian. Phenotype doesn't mean much, mind you. I am mistaken for being MENA all the time, even though I am fully South Asian. By the way, my closest match on IllustrativeDNA is a Sindhi, much closer than other Punjabis.

I claimed we were the same race because we geographically and politically were. I also said that india was diverse and the regions that current day pakistanis occupied were vastly different than say South Indians. My point is that there isn’t much difference between North Indians and Pakistanis. Yeah pakistanis are lighter on average, but still mujairs make a big portion of current day pakistan, they are still Pakistanis you can’t disregard them completey.

By the way I look like ur average northie, my mom gets mistaken as latina or mena all the time. both my parents are Sindhi

 

[2025cel]

I can guarantee that Christians (who follow a religion that was spread through slavery and colonisation and war since it's inception) have lead to much more human suffering than anything Buddhist have done

Including the enslavement of 10+ million of ur own race u fuckin stupid cuck

Buddhism is inherently all about human suffering, ripoff Jainism jfl
Buddhists used to kill Islamacucks 24/7 back in the day.

 

[ltncurry]

you fucking idiot, then what about genetic similarities? Are you going to deny these literal genetics?

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As you can see pakistani indics are ONLY genetically similar to other northwestern indians. The only exceptions are literal dalit samples, which obviously no fucking surprise is going to have more AASI dna compared to your average pakistani, who isnt a dalit. Your desperation to sem2sem them with non-northwestern indians is not only disingenuous, but disgusting.

That’s what I said….? reread my replies, I just claimed northies and pakis look similar and that WE WERE the same race. Also bhai calm down it really isn’t that deep

 

[ltncurry]

@Gengar

jfl look at these coping hindus


what did i say, its always lindus doing sem2sem saar.

Saar kashmiris and tamils basically look the same saar.
Saar Gujuratis and bengalis look the same saar.

What a pathetic people

Absolute fucking retard goodness dude reread what I said do you have 0 reading comprehension. I said northies and pakis look alike, and india is very diverse, that’s why South Indians look different than north’s and pakis. But we were one nation first, if you’re gonna deny that then ur just coping. I’m not sure why you’re so offended, aren’t you South Indian jfl

 

[CFW432]

Absolute fucking retard goodness dude reread what I said do you have 0 reading comprehension. I said northies and pakis look alike, and india is very diverse, that’s why South Indians look different than north’s and pakis. But we were one nation first, if you’re gonna deny that then ur just coping. I’m not sure why you’re so offended, aren’t you South Indian jfl

Half north indian, with ancestry coming from punjab and U.P.

Don't worry it's not just you northern bindus doing sem2sem with muslims.

Your retarded south indian dravidian abos do it too.

 

[CFW432]

I claimed we were the same race because we geographically and politically were. I also said that india was diverse and the regions that current day pakistanis occupied were vastly different than say South Indians. My point is that there isn’t much difference between North Indians and Pakistanis. Yeah pakistanis are lighter on average, but still mujairs make a big portion of current day pakistan, they are still Pakistanis you can’t disregard them completey.

By the way I look like ur average northie, my mom gets mistaken as latina or mena all the time. both my parents are Sindhi

Muhajirs literally make up only 6% of pakistans total population
"Muh big portion"

 

[CFW432]

Absolute fucking retard goodness dude reread what I said do you have 0 reading comprehension. I said northies and pakis look alike, and india is very diverse, that’s why South Indians look different than north’s and pakis. But we were one nation first, if you’re gonna deny that then ur just coping. I’m not sure why you’re so offended, aren’t you South Indian jfl

What do you mean by "same nation" ? As in BRITISH India? The BRITISH CREATION? There has never been a political entity in the entirety of the subcontinents history that has ever joined the entirety of south asia into "one nation"

Tbh i rather be called a British Indian than whatever disgusting cowpiss drinking identity you Hindus want to come up with. The British were a clean, organized people, that follow an abrahamic religion, and dont shit on the streets everywhere.

The idea of giving myself an identity that a hindu came up with is repulsive.

 

[ltncurry]

What do you mean by "same nation" ? As in BRITISH India? The BRITISH CREATION? There has never been a political entity in the entirety of the subcontinents history that has ever joined the entirety of south asia into "one nation"

Tbh i rather be called a British Indian than whatever disgusting cowpiss drinking identity you Hindus want to come up with. The British were a clean, organized people, that follow an abrahamic religion, and dont shit on the streets everywhere.

The idea of giving myself an identity that a hindu came up with is repulsive.

holy shit I’m dying man ur fucking hilarious

Ur so obsessed with Hindus lmfao keep mentioning my religion when it’s completely irrelevant to the topic. It’s okay to be a bit insecure of your race buddy

 

[ltncurry]

Muhajirs literally make up only 6% of pakistans total population
"Muh big portion"

Doesn’t really change my point ur just cherry-picking things that are quite irrelevant. They’re still paki and have contributed a lot, it’s purely ignorant and racist to disregard them completey.

Again bhai why are you so offended..? Merely a tiny debate and you’re making a massive deal out of it.
Here breathe in……….. and breathe out……….
do you feel better now bhai?

 

[aladdinmaxxer]

Because they feel that it's native to the region, and so they resist any kind of conversion. Even though it's the most ridiculed religion at this point with all their practices involving cow dung, cow piss, etc.

this op nigga just mentioned indians and pakistanis in a thread and got 116 replies in not even 24 hours

 

[CFW432]

Doesn’t really change my point ur just cherry-picking things that are quite irrelevant. They’re still paki and have contributed a lot, it’s purely ignorant and racist to disregard them completey.

Again bhai why are you so offended..? Merely a tiny debate and you’re making a massive deal out of it.
Here breathe in……….. and breathe out……….
do you feel better now bhai?

Muhajirs contributed alot to pakistans development cause alot of them came from an educated upper class from India Compared to the vast majority of pakistans native populations who were rural and uneducated people.

Muhajirs AKA urduwallahs were from a bourgeoisie city dwellers and were obviously more educated than some random rural punjabis from the pind. Lol.

My own grandfather from my dad's side was a physicist and a student of the famous Abdus Salam and worked at ICTP (International center of theoretical physics) located in Trieste, Italy.


You guys are annoying. Stop sem2seming us. It's really gross, we have nothing in common

 

[CFW432]

holy shit I’m dying man ur fucking hilarious

Ur so obsessed with Hindus lmfao keep mentioning my religion when it’s completely irrelevant to the topic. It’s okay to be a bit insecure of your race buddy

Lol you can't even address any of the points I'm making cause there's nothing to address. I'm right, and youre delusionally wrong. Keep running away from my points hindu

 

[Emiqrox]

I had more Zagros than before the update.

Higher amounts of zagros is common in north indians too, tbh i would have assumed that you have high steppe ancestry but youre just more iranian shifted

 

[Emiqrox]

It's really gross, we have nothing in common

 

[CFW432]

Higher amounts of zagros is common in north indians too, tbh i would have assumed that you have high steppe ancestry but youre just more iranian shifted

What I've noticed is that pakistani native races tend to be more zagrosian shifted and then afterwards steppe, rather than steppe then zagros. It makes sense since pakistan literally sits on the indus valley civilization.

 

[ltncurry]

Muhajirs contributed alot to pakistans development cause alot of them came from an educated upper class from India Compared to the vast majority of pakistans native populations who were rural and uneducated people.

Muhajirs AKA urduwallahs were from a bourgeoisie city dwellers and were obviously more educated than some random rural punjabis from the pind. Lol.

My own grandfather from my dad's side was a physicist and a student of the famous Abdus Salam and worked at ICTP (International center of theoretical physics) located in Trieste, Italy.


You guys are annoying. Stop sem2seming us. It's really gross, we have nothing in common

how does that disprove my point at all…? They’re still pakis and deserve to be regarded as such. And aren’t you South Indian jfl.

 

[ltncurry]

Lol you can't even address any of the points I'm making cause there's nothing to address. I'm right, and youre delusionally wrong. Keep running away from my points hindu

what points exactly…? I’m literally agreeing with you and that only North Indians and Pakistanis lookalike, and overall South Asia is extremely diverse. You’re just barking like some bitch dog and bringing up religion for some reason. I’m not even sure why you’re so pissed bhai, it’s okay.

 

[CFW432]

how does that disprove my point at all…? They’re still pakis and deserve to be regarded as such. And aren’t you South Indian jfl.

Lmao i dont know why you keep bringing up my south indian half as if thats a gotcha, what about my north indian half lol? Am i not that lol? Im an urdu-speaking muslim, and many hyderabadis went to pakistan as well and are apart of this "muhajir" group you keep yapping about lmao i have distant cousins living in pakistan as well from my dads side too lol. Are they now north indian/pakistani and im south indian? Lol btw i was born and brought up in america, not even in india or pakistan or anywhere from south asia. Am i now native american too? You retarded gross hindu



They even live in a mini Hyderabad in sindh were ur dindu ass is apparently from with a mini cute charminar and everything.

Hyderabad, Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You said that muhajirs make up a "big portion" of pakistan, when in reality they literally only make up 6% of the population and are one of the smallest minorities lol. You are a disingenous gross hindu, and its clear that no matter where a hindu comes from, whether north or south, he will always try to do sem2sem with muslims, when muslims dont want to lol.

 

[CFW432]

what points exactly…? I’m literally agreeing with you and that only North Indians and Pakistanis lookalike, and overall South Asia is extremely diverse. You’re just barking like some bitch dog and bringing up religion for some reason. I’m not even sure why you’re so pissed bhai, it’s okay.

define "north indians" lol.

North India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bihar is in the north.
U.P. is in the north.
Madhya Pradesh in in the north

 

[ltncurry]

define "north indians" lol.

North India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bihar is in the north.
U.P. is in the north.
Madhya Pradesh in in the north

Lmao i dont know why you keep bringing up my south indian half as if thats a gotcha, what about my north indian half lol? Am i not that lol? Im an urdu-speaking muslim, and many hyderabadis went to pakistan as well and are apart of this "muhajir" group you keep yapping about lmao i have distant cousins living in pakistan as well from my dads side too lol. Are they now north indian/pakistani and im south indian? Lol btw i was born and brought up in america, not even in india or pakistan or anywhere from south asia. Am i now native american too? You retarded gross hindu



They even live in a mini Hyderabad in sindh were ur dindu ass is apparently from with a mini cute charminar and everything.

Hyderabad, Pakistan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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You said that muhajirs make up a "big portion" of pakistan, when in reality they literally only make up 6% of the population and are one of the smallest minorities lol. You are a disingenous gross hindu, and its clear that no matter where a hindu comes from, whether north or south, he will always try to do sem2sem with muslims, when muslims dont want to lol.

ur writing formal essays and going as far to pm me about your ancestry to somehow reguirgate repeated points where I literally agree with you and you keep dragging religion for whatever reason. Keep barking for me about the same shit though it’s actually really funny.

 

[CFW432]

ur writing formal essays and going as far to pm me about your ancestry to somehow reguirgate repeated points where I literally agree with you and you keep dragging religion for whatever reason. Keep barking for me about the same shit though it’s actually really funny.

All i want is for Hindus to stop doing sem2sem, and also claiming things from muslim culture. That's all

 

[ltncurry]

All i want is for Hindus to stop doing sem2sem, and also claiming things from muslim culture. That's all

I only said a certain portion of india (appearance) is similar to Pakistanis in terms of phenotypes, how is that wrong at all…? That was the first thing I stated in this thread.

what did we claim from your culture elaborate

 

[CFW432]

I only said a certain portion of india (appearance) is similar to Pakistanis in terms of phenotypes, how is that wrong at all…? That was the first thing I stated in this thread.

what did we claim from your culture elaborate

Not you but other users and some other Hindus like south indian tamils were claiming our mughlai cuisine, our dress, and claiming urdu as their language, just cause it "was made in india saar!".

And you said that we lived all in the same nation, which is a historical lie. Before British India, there was never a nation in the subcontinent that united the entirety of south asia. So unless you are talking about British India, you're wrong

 

[ltncurry]

Not you but other users and some other Hindus like south indian tamils were claiming our mughlai cuisine, our dress, and claiming urdu as their language, just cause it "was made in india saar!".

And you said that we lived all in the same nation, which is a historical lie. Before British India, there was never a nation in the subcontinent that united the entirety of south asia. So unless you are talking about British India, you're wrong

can you specify what dresses and what food idk much about it. But yeah claiming urdu is pretty retarded I’ll agree, though it sounds just a formal version of hindhi imo.

I was referring to British India pre partion yeah I think it was a misunderstanding. British Raj India was still a long reign though

 

[CFW432]

can you specify what dresses and what food idk much about it. But yeah claiming urdu is pretty retarded I’ll agree, though it sounds just a formal version of hindhi imo.

I was referring to British India pre partion yeah I think it was a misunderstanding. British Raj India was still a long reign though

Sherwani, kurta, shalwar kameez, certain variants of dupatta, all of mughlai/indo-islamic cuisine.

Mughlai cuisine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hyderabadi cuisine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[HeavyMetalcel]

Keep coping, they are clones.

water

 

[Emiqrox]

What I've noticed is that pakistani native races tend to be more zagrosian shifted and then afterwards steppe, rather than steppe then zagros. It makes sense since pakistan literally sits on the indus valley civilization.

Yeah, high steppe is only present amongst some isolated kashmiris

 

[Emiqrox]

All i want is for Hindus to stop doing sem2sem, and also claiming things from muslim culture. That's all

Muslim culture doesnt really exist, mostly persian and arabic influences

 

[Gengar]

I claimed we were the same race because we geographically and politically were. I also said that india was diverse and the regions that current day pakistanis occupied were vastly different than say South Indians. My point is that there isn’t much difference between North Indians and Pakistanis. Yeah pakistanis are lighter on average, but still mujairs make a big portion of current day pakistan, they are still Pakistanis you can’t disregard them completey.

By the way I look like ur average northie, my mom gets mistaken as latina or mena all the time. both my parents are Sindhi

Muhajirs are probably 30 million out of 250. They are technically a minority, not “a big portion of Pakistan.” That said, they are genetically Indian, but they don’t represent natives such as myself.

 

[Gengar]

That’s what I said….? reread my replies, I just claimed northies and pakis look similar and that WE WERE the same race. Also bhai calm down it really isn’t that deep

You were posting wrong information so he corrected you. That’s a fair response from him.

 

[Gengar]

Half north indian, with ancestry coming from punjab and U.P.

Don't worry it's not just you northern bindus doing sem2sem with muslims.

Your retarded south indian dravidian abos do it too.

Honorary Punjabi.

 

[Gengar]

Muhajirs literally make up only 6% of pakistans total population
"Muh big portion"

Big portion. I was being generous and gave 30 million as a figure but it’s even less than that, literally halved.

 

[Gengar]

What do you mean by "same nation" ? As in BRITISH India? The BRITISH CREATION? There has never been a political entity in the entirety of the subcontinents history that has ever joined the entirety of south asia into "one nation"

Tbh i rather be called a British Indian than whatever disgusting cowpiss drinking identity you Hindus want to come up with. The British were a clean, organized people, that follow an abrahamic religion, and dont shit on the streets everywhere.

The idea of giving myself an identity that a hindu came up with is repulsive.

Exactly. He’s being very disingenuous by withholding a lot of crucial information such as his migratory background, how tiny the population is that he represents out of a country of 1.4 billion (4 million) and distorting historical facts that you are rightfully correcting.

 

[Gengar]

Doesn’t really change my point ur just cherry-picking things that are quite irrelevant. They’re still paki and have contributed a lot, it’s purely ignorant and racist to disregard them completey.

Again bhai why are you so offended..? Merely a tiny debate and you’re making a massive deal out of it.
Here breathe in……….. and breathe out……….
do you feel better now bhai?

Why are you upset because he’s correcting your misinformation? Even if they are Pakistanis, they are outliers and don’t represent the natives living there. You are being disingenuous. You claim others of cherry-picking while it’s just you who’s doing that.

 

[Gengar]

this op nigga just mentioned indians and pakistanis in a thread and got 116 replies in not even 24 hours

That’s what happens when most users are Indians.

 

[Gengar]

Higher amounts of zagros is common in north indians too, tbh i would have assumed that you have high steppe ancestry but youre just more iranian shifted

Even South Indians have higher amounts of Zagros, like North Indians do. But they pretty much all score lower Zagros than I do. I don’t know my Steppe ancestry because I haven’t done my qpAdm, but based on HarappaWorld, I would say my Steppe ancestry is medium. That said, unlike most South Asians, I don’t have Steppe Y-DNA.

 

[CFW432]

Exactly. He’s being very disingenuous by withholding a lot of crucial information such as his migratory background, how tiny the population is that he represents out of a country of 1.4 billion (4 million) and distorting historical facts that you are rightfully correcting.

heres the thing, if he is an actual ethnic sindhi, and he wants to do sem2sem with his sindhi muslim brothers, then tbh i have no problem with that. Genetics are genetics. But to blantantly spread lies and brush wide strokes across all hindus and muslims, as if we are the same, is just completely typical of him to do as a hindu

He keeps calling me south indian, even though half my dna is also north indian. I have no problem with that and i wont deny my south indian heritage, dna has show that the vasty majority of my south indian ancestors were literally kammas who were warriors and landlords lmao, i have nothing to be ashamed of there . But just because im half south indian, doesnt mean im going to disown my north indian side either lol. Literally everything my ethnic group has in terms of culture and language came from urduwallah north indians (mainly from around U.P.). lol this hindu faggot is trying to detach me from my ancestors

This conversation has made me so sad tbh, cause for some reason i had always assumed that northwestern hindus had a little more self respect, and werent disingenuous like the rest of their gangu and south indian brothers. Clearly i was wrong. They are all the same.

 

[Gengar]

Yeah, high steppe is only present amongst some isolated kashmiris

Kashmiris also score high AASI.

 

[Gengar]

heres the thing, if he is an actual ethnic sindhi, and he wants to do sem2sem with his sindhi muslim brothers, then tbh i have no problem with that. Genetics are genetics. But to blantantly spread lies and brush wide strokes across all hindus and muslims, as if we are the same, is just completely typical of him to do as a hindu

He keeps calling me south indian, even though half my dna is also north indian. I have no problem with that and i wont deny my south indian heritage, dna has show that the vasty majority of my south indian ancestors were literally kammas who were warriors and landlords lmao, i have nothing to be ashamed of there . But just because im half south indian, doesnt mean im going to disown my north indian side either lol. Literally everything my ethnic group has in terms of culture and language came from urduwallah north indians (mainly from around U.P.). lol this hindu faggot is trying to detach me from my ancestors

This conversation has made me so sad tbh, cause for some reason i had always assumed that northwestern hindus had a little more self respect, and werent disingenuous like the rest of their gangu and south indian brothers. Clearly i was wrong. They are all the same.

Yes, you are completely right about his disingenuous nature. I have argued with him in the past, but only in this thread did he finally admit to being Sindhi, which is crucial information that should have been shared. I was thinking I was talking to some guy from Uttar Pradesh or something who was trying to say we are all the same, because that’s the usual sem2sem crowd. Like you say, he has every right to say he’s genetically similar to other Sindhis; but that doesn’t mean he’s genetically the same as all the other ethnic ethnic groups in Pakistan. It’s also silly to highlight your South Indian background as if your other half is suddenly irrelevant. I have noticed dindus doing this too, they all mention ancestors in some way as if they are proving a point. They’re all attempting to use it as a “gotcha” moment but it simply falls flat when you consider other much more relevant factors.

 

[Emiqrox]

Kashmiris also score high AASI.

Yes all curries do, but i mean the only ones with relatively high steppe dna are kashmiris and jatts

 

[Emiqrox]

Even South Indians have higher amounts of Zagros, like North Indians do. But they pretty much all score lower Zagros than I do. I don’t know my Steppe ancestry because I haven’t done my qpAdm, but based on HarappaWorld, I would say my Steppe ancestry is medium. That said, unlike most South Asians, I don’t have Steppe Y-DNA.

South asian y dna is diverse tbh, R1a-Z93, L, H and J2 are all found amongst curries but it seems to be dependant on caste aswell. Brahmins can have high amounts of r1a and dalits can barely have any

 

[ltncurry]

Why are you upset because he’s correcting your misinformation? Even if they are Pakistanis, they are outliers and don’t represent the natives living there. You are being disingenuous. You claim others of cherry-picking while it’s just you who’s doing that.

Because he’s dragging it, I admitted to being wrong and all I’ve claimed so far is that North Indians and pakis look similar, which is literally true. then he proceeds to drag religion and go on a rant about something I agreed with.

@Gengar @CFW432
I apologize for being factually incorrect about our relations, and admittedly I’m not too educated about both of our history. I was born in India but raised abroad, and I only know most information from my parents regarding the partion.