Insertion muscles

[Norwooder]

I have reason to believe I might have good masseter insertion muscles...
Can anyone tell me the position of an 'ideal' insertion for a masseter and how to calculate where your own sits?

 

[alligatordude]

are the ideal massesters where they are as down and close to the part of thee jaw where the angle is, like the corner of the mandible is or whatever like brad pitt

 

[Subhuman trash]

just chew bubble gum bro

 

[Deleted member 6856]

just chew bubble gum bro

genocidin your avi

 

[Subhuman trash]

genocidin your avi

save gandy we gotta pray to him though tbhngl

 

[Kingkellz]

I have reason to believe I might have good masseter insertion muscles...
Can anyone tell me the position of an 'ideal' insertion for a masseter and how to calculate where your own sits?

The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

 

[Deleted member 6856]

You can't be a doctor really are you?

 

[Kingkellz]

You can't be a doctor really are you?

Head of head of head of head of Doctors

 

[hopelessphoenix]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

In order to achieve low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers do we chew hard gum for short periods or long periods or chew regular gum for long periods?? What about chewing Chissell training pieces? Can you please explain what to chew and how long

 

[imparatorluk]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

Can there be difference in my left masseter and right masseter ?

 

[Kingkellz]

In order to achieve low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers do we chew hard gum for short periods or long periods or chew regular gum for long periods?? What about chewing Chissell training pieces? Can you please explain what to chew and how long

Not much you can do to change muscle fibers type. It's genetic.

As for chewing, chew hard gum evenly on both sides for 2 hours a day to start off. 1 hour in the morning. 1 hour in the evening.
You can also practice clenching the gum by holding the bite for extended periods of time on each side turn by turn (same time on each side).

Nah don't go for chisell, stick to hard foods and gum.
Beef, steak, carrots, mastic/falim gum, etc

Can there be difference in my left masseter and right masseter ?

Yes

 

[imparatorluk]

Not much you can do to change muscle fibers type. It's genetic.

As for chewing, chew hard gum evenly on both sides for 2 hours a day to start off. 1 hour in the morning. 1 hour in the evening.
You can also practice clenching the gum by holding the bite for extended periods of time on each side turn by turn (same time on each side).

Nah don't go for chisell, stick to hard foods and gum.
Beef, steak, carrots, mastic/falim gum, etc

Yes

Fuck i knew it. My left is located in down more than my right. Can ı solve this shit?

 

[Kingkellz]

Fuck i knew it. My left is located in down more than my right. Can ı solve this shit?

You can't change the origin or insertion of the muscle

 

[Deleted member 6273]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

I Think I have low set type 1 masseters. Would exogenous androgens or increase in T rapidly increase hypertrophy or is the effect negligible. Furthermore is the limit for the masseter hypertrophy (maximum size) different for type 1 and type 2 and if so is it significant.

 

[Kingkellz]

I Think I have low set type 1 masseters. Would exogenous androgens or increase in T rapidly increase hypertrophy

Yes it would make a difference.

Furthermore is the limit for the masseter hypertrophy (maximum size) different for type 1 and type 2 and if so is it significant.

Yes, the difference is significant. If you have type 1 it will be hard for your muscles to hypertrophy with resistance training. Being type 2 dominant is ideal.

 

[imparatorluk]

You can't change the origin or insertion of the muscle

So you say assymetry is in your genes?

 

[Lawyer]

You can't change the origin or insertion of the muscle

I think it would be possible to change the point of insertion of the masseter muscles:

Masseter muscle reattachment after mandibular angle surgery - PubMed

Masseter disinsertion is a previously unreported sequelae after aesthetic surgery for the angle of the mandible. The resultant static and dynamic contour deformity can be corrected by reattaching the muscle to the inferior border of the mandible.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anyway, I don't think there is such thing as "high masseter insertions", i have not seen evidence of the supposed variability of the masseter muscle insertion points.

There are just people with short rami and high gonial angles.

 

[Kingkellz]

So you say assymetry is in your genes?

Genes or in the way your mandible developed.

I think it would be possible to change the point of insertion of the masseter muscles:

Masseter muscle reattachment after mandibular angle surgery - PubMed

Masseter disinsertion is a previously unreported sequelae after aesthetic surgery for the angle of the mandible. The resultant static and dynamic contour deformity can be corrected by reattaching the muscle to the inferior border of the mandible.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anyway, I don't think there is such thing as "high masseter insertions", i have not seen evidence of the supposed variability of the masseter muscle insertion points.

There are just people with short rami and high gonial angles.

Yes but that is after surgery on the mandible so that the masseter can suit the new mandible angle right?
I don't know of any doctor that will augment the masseter in and of itself in anyway other than using Botox for jaw reduction. Im pretty sure but I could be wrong.

Yes it is mostly differences in ramus size and gonial angle but masseter insertions or more so the part at which it is the thickest does vary.

For example the the middle layer of my masseter muscle on my left side is the thickest and most developed as well as the most responsive. On the other hand for my right side the superficial layer of my masseter muscle is the thickest and most developed.

As a result when I clench for pictures my right side looks flanged and angular while my left side looks soft and bloated due to the thickest most developed part being in the middle of my Ramus making it look like I have a cheek swelling instead of an angular clenched jaw.
I also have a normal bite, wide palate and no noticible jaw asymmetries.

 

[Lawyer]

Yes but that is after surgery on the mandible so that the masseter can suit the new mandible angle right?

No.

Disruption of the pterygomasseteric sling when placing a mandibular angle implant can cause the masseter muscle to retract superiorly, resulting in a loss of soft tissue volume over the mandibular angle and a skeletonized appearance.

If the pterygomasseteric sling is not disrupted when placing the implant, reattaching the masseter wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Celexawer]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

When I clench my teeth to flex my masseters, the thickest and most responsive is in the middle. Does that mean I've high set insertions?

P.S. never seen a real masseter hypertrophy case where the face becomes rounded which is a result of high set insertions. (Also to add I've long and inward slanting ramus and narrow gonion widht could my insertions observation be manipulated by these two factors?)
Also What is a good way to determine insertions apart from clenching, TIA.

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

if you have low ramus but high masseter you can technically change this by getting botox to the upper parts of the massater so that you use more the lower part. or even using eletrical muscle stimulation on the very lower part of the masseters

 

[RecessedPrettyboy]

When I clench my teeth to flex my masseters, the thickest and most responsive is in the middle. Does that mean I've high set insertions?

P.S. never seen a real masseter hypertrophy case where the face becomes rounded which is a result of high set insertions. (Also to add I've long and inward slanting ramus and narrow gonion widht could my insertions observation be manipulated by these two factors?)
Also What is a good way to determine insertions apart from clenching, TIA.

im not an expert on this but I think masseter insertion is very similar for everyone. what changes is what part of it is recruited more during contraction. this can be due to more muscle fibers in the middle head or upper head I guess. or even what teeth is used during chewing or the amount of rotation of the occlusal plane. but Im pretty sure this can be manipulated

 

[datboijj]

Not much you can do to change muscle fibers type. It's genetic

You can't change the origin or insertion of the muscle

*laughs in feb 12th*

 

[CalulArgintiu59]

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The superficial layer of the masseter insertion should be the thickest and should be located at the very end of the ramus indicating a low set masseter insertion (which is good).
A high set masseter Insertion will make your face look rounded, feminine, and bloated.

You should also have a good amount of type 2 muscle fibers so that your masseters can develop and increase in size (hypertrophy).

Lots of type 1 muscle fibers will make it hard for the masseters to hypertrophy from chewing (resistance training).

High set masseter insertion + type 1 muscle fibers = worst combo

Low set masseter insertion + mostly type 2 muscle fibers = Ideal

Can u take a look on my masseter insertions?Altough I think I might have type 1 fibers.(I posted a photo)

 

[Giga Mogger]

if you have low ramus but high masseter you can technically change this by getting botox to the upper parts of the massater so that you use more the lower part. or even using eletrical muscle stimulation on the very lower part of the masseters

is this legit? if true I’m planning on getting botox to my upper masseters