interesting piece of western literature that would interest some of you

[lurker999]

ars amatoria by ovid
ovid was one of the preeminent latin poets, mentioned in the same vein as the likes of virgil and horace. he's most known for metamorphoses, which was a favorite of shakespeare, though he also specialized in poetry in which love was a central theme
among his works are heroides, which depict letters by mythological women, to their mythological husbands who are in far remote places, it's a textbook example of latin rhetoric and was used in schools at a time where ancient greek and latin were indispensable for the educated classical student
not to make this drawn out, the interesting text I wanted to talk about was his ars amatoria (meaning: the art of love)
the first book is a manual for men on seducing women, the second is a manual on how to keep a woman and the third is a manual for women on seducing men
very funny, the first "pickup manual" and offers timeless advice like social functions to go to, at what time to go to, how you should gain her friends trust so you have help, how you shouldn't give too many gifts, how you should let her miss you, but not too much, and make her a little jealous; although some advice is dated, like going to triumphs and gifting her slaves
he has other didactic poems on how to get over an ex (remedia amoris)
fun to read
let me know what u guys think

https://web.seducoahuila.gob.mx/biblioweb/upload/THE%20ART%20OF%20LOVE.pdf

Remedia Amoris; or, The Remedy of Love Literally Translated into English Prose, with Copious Notes

www.gutenberg.org

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[lurker999]

looks like he's been quoted on this website before
here's his advice on what u guys call "betabuxxing" as an excerpt

Above all, don't go near her on her birthday; or indeed on any day when you're expected to give a present. However much you try to wriggle out of it, she'll make you buy her something. A woman always knows how to exploit an ardent lover. Some pedlar fellow will be sure to turn up, and since buying's a mania with them all, she'll be sure to find the very things she wants. She'll ask you to look at ’em; then she'll kiss you, and say, " Oh, do buy me that. It'll last for years; it's just the very thing I want, and you couldn't buy me anything I should like more." It's no good saying you haven't got the money on you; she'll ask you to draw a cheque, and then you'll curse the day you learned to write. And how many times you'll have to give her something for her birthday! Every time she wants anything very special, she'll have a birthday. And then she'll come grieving some pretended loss; she'll come to you with eyes all red with weeping and tell you she's lost one of her precious ear-rings. That's the little game they play. Then they'll keep on asking you to lend them money; and once they've got it, I wouldn't give much for your chances of getting it back. You can look on that as gone, and they won't give you so much as a "thank you." Why, if I'd got ten mouths and ten tongues, I couldn't tell you all the tricks our ladies of the demi-monde get up to.

 

[lurker999]

looks like he's been quoted on this website before
here's his advice on what u guys call "betabuxxing" as an excerpt

fuck bro the way I wrote this lowkey looks the same as a old man would text