Intrusive thoughts aren't real

[Chungus]

You do legitimately want to execute that thought even if it's just in the moment

 

[Tenres]

Sure but you want the thought because your brain is literally not functioning correctly, so your error detection and inhibitory controls are not working. Even then, it's a cope to think you control your thoughts, and even if you do, you don't control the impulse to have the thought.

 

[stonecold trucel]

I guess

 

[Chungus]

Sure but you want the thought because your brain is literally not functioning correctly, so your error detection and inhibitory controls are not working. Even then, it's a cope to think you control your thoughts, and even if you do, you don't control the impulse to have the thought.

Your brain is perfect, it wasn't designed to think only what society permits

 

[Tenres]

Your brain is perfect, it wasn't designed to think only what society permits

Intrusive thoughts are usually egodystonic, people literally don't want them and are distressed by them. It's not society. Anyways you're just trolling prob

 

[Chungus]

Intrusive thoughts are usually egodystonic, people literally don't want them and are distressed by them. It's not society. Anyways you're just trolling prob

Egodystonic thoughts conflict only with the way you want to present yourself, you still want the thoughts. Why would your brain purposefully torture you?

 

[India lover 52]

Egodystonic thoughts conflict only with the way you want to present yourself, you still want the thoughts. Why would your brain purposefully torture you?

mental illness

 

[Tenres]

Egodystonic thoughts conflict only with the way you want to present yourself, you still want the thoughts. Why would your brain purposefully torture you?

Because like I told you your error detection is working improperly, so the thoughts are being repeatedly sent to review.

Also the whole naturalist copes are just bad, you are actually right that shame at what "it means" is one of the reasons they become stuck in the head because it's a feedback loop between viewing it as dangerous and therefore your brain trying to resolve the thought. But that means shame which is a "natural emotion" needs to be consciously repressed.

 

[Chungus]

mental illness

Your brain is perfect

 

[India lover 52]

Your brain is perfect, it wasn't designed to think only what society permits

this only applies to genetic neurodivergence not trauma enduced mental disorders or brain injuries

 

[Chungus]

Because like I told you your error detection is working improperly, so the thoughts are being repeatedly sent to review.

Also the whole naturalist copes are just bad, you are actually right that shame at what "it means" is one of the reasons they become stuck in the head because it's a feedback loop between viewing it as dangerous and therefore your brain trying to resolve the thought. But that means shame which is a "natural emotion" needs to be consciously repressed.

I don't have a counterargument tbh

 

[Tenres]

I don't have a counterargument tbh

All good bro.

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

Intrusive thoughts are usually egodystonic, people literally don't want them and are distressed by them. It's not society. Anyways you're just trolling prob

Egodystonic refers to thoughts, impulses, or behaviors that are unacceptable, repugnant, or inconsistent with an individual's self-concept, values, and core identity.

Aka manmade things implanted into your natural brain that has a natural built in intuition

 

[ltn gooner]

You do legitimately want to execute that thought even if it's just in the moment

They come from the state of israel

 

[Tenres]

Egodystonic refers to thoughts, impulses, or behaviors that are unacceptable, repugnant, or inconsistent with an individual's self-concept, values, and core identity.

Aka manmade things implanted into your natural brain that has a natural built in intuition

Dude did you not read my post, it has nothing to do with what the content is, it can be anything it's bad error detection in the anterior cingulate cortex.

Also what the fuck are you talking about, most people's values are what benefits them either directly or through their social status. All normies are like this, you have to larp dark triad to reach normie level. niggas want to be normies so bad

 

[Chungus]

Dude did you not read my post, it has nothing to do with what the content is, it can be anything it's bad error detection in the anterior cingulate cortex.

Also what the fuck are you talking about, most people's values are what benefits them either directly or through their social status. All normies are like this, you have to larp dark triad to reach normie level. niggas want to be normies so bad

You are using chatGPT, this argument really doesn’t make sense and referencing an obscure anatomical feature doesn’t prove anything. The idea your brain has an “error” is also silly, because the actions within an intrusive thought (e.g. murder) historically could have been advantageous
Also back to this message,

Also the whole naturalist copes are just bad, you are actually right that shame at what "it means" is one of the reasons they become stuck in the head because it's a feedback loop between viewing it as dangerous and therefore your brain trying to resolve the thought. But that means shame which is a "natural emotion" needs to be consciously repressed.

The reason the thought continually reemerges is because you do want to commit the thought. Your brain has desires which aren’t compatible with laws or “what society permits” like I already said. Wanting the intrusive thought and shame also can co exist; shame doesn’t invalidate the thought, it only proves you’re too fearful to act it out

 

[Tenres]

You are using chatGPT, this argument really doesn’t make sense and referencing an obscure anatomical feature doesn’t prove anything. The idea your brain has an “error” is also silly, because the actions within an intrusive thought (e.g. murder) historically could have been advantageous
Also back to this message,

The reason the thought continually reemerges is because you do want to commit the thought. Your brain has desires which aren’t compatible with laws or “what society permits” like I already said. Wanting the intrusive thought and shame also can co exist; shame doesn’t invalidate the thought, it only proves you’re too fearful to act it out

I meant threat detection. If you have a thought that has high salience of danger (danger to others, yourself through it being egodystonic), then it's sent to your conscious to view, in this case you can either consider it to be not important in which case it will gradually lose salience or you can try to repress the thought which only increases the threat signalling.

Although error detection is also a literal thing, are you retarded? You need to be able to detect if you're doing something wrong obviously you're literally braindead

You did say it but you're a fucking idiot so no one cares what you say. If someone has intrusive thoughts about killing their child, is that something that they are just fearful to act out? Is it natural to kill your child?

"Commit the thought" What does this even mean? Do you know literally anything?

 

[Chungus]

I meant threat detection. If you have a thought that has high salience of danger (danger to others, yourself through it being egodystonic), then it's sent to your conscious to view, in this case you can either consider it to be not important in which case it will gradually lose salience or you can try to repress the thought which only increases the threat signalling.

Nigga what

Although error detection is also a literal thing, are you retarded? You need to be able to detect if you're doing something wrong obviously you're literally braindead

You did say it but you're a fucking idiot so no one cares what you say. If someone has intrusive thoughts about killing their child, is that something that they are just fearful to act out? Is it natural to kill your child?

There is nothing inherently erroneous about the thought. The actions within intrusive thoughts can be advantageous or disadvantageous depending on a lot of factors, but the thoughts are still innate and part of your desires. Detecting if a thought is “wrong” is evaluating if the thought is advantageous or disadvantageous when executed, it doesn’t invalidate a thought
Also, your example is extreme but if a parent does have “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child then they do want it at least mildly. Their brain could be “damaged” but a damaged brain is still expressing itself correctly

"Commit the thought" What does this even mean? Do you know literally anything?

The meaning of “Commit the thought” is self explanatory, could your AI not figure out what it meant?

 

[Chungus]

Nigga what

There is nothing inherently erroneous about the thought. The actions within intrusive thoughts can be advantageous or disadvantageous depending on a lot of factors, but the thoughts are still innate and part of your desires. Detecting if a thought is “wrong” is evaluating if the thought is advantageous or disadvantageous when executed, it doesn’t invalidate a thought
Also, your example is extreme but if a parent does have “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child then they do want it at least mildly. Their brain could be “damaged” but a damaged brain is still expressing itself correctly

The meaning of “Commit the thought” is self explanatory, could your AI not figure out what it meant?

In fact I’ll double down on my point and say a parent who has “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child 100% wants to kill their child when those thoughts arise. Only because of our inhibition, specifically evaluating if a thought is advantageous/disadvantageous upon execution prevents them from acting on it

 

[Tenres]

Nigga what

There is nothing inherently erroneous about the thought. The actions within intrusive thoughts can be advantageous or disadvantageous depending on a lot of factors, but the thoughts are still innate and part of your desires. Detecting if a thought is “wrong” is evaluating if the thought is advantageous or disadvantageous when executed, it doesn’t invalidate a thought
Also, your example is extreme but if a parent does have “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child then they do want it at least mildly. Their brain could be “damaged” but a damaged brain is still expressing itself correctly

The meaning of “Commit the thought” is self explanatory, could your AI not figure out what it meant?

No shit there's nothing 'inherently erroneous about the thought.' Who said this? Send anyone saying this right now or admit your a retard who can't read.

The point is that they are intrusive because the person a) does not want the thought and b) is not consciously trying to have the thought.

Hey dumbass, it doesn't matter why they do or don't want to have the thought, it is intrusive by definition because it the result of an unconscious feedback loop of threat detection.

Also, your example is extreme but if a parent does have “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child then they do want it at least mildly. Their brain could be “damaged” but a damaged brain is still expressing itself correctly

Then send proof faggot. You just made an empirical claim, so I'm sure you have evidence. Surely you're not just stating random shit, surely you don't think our evidentiary standard is "what I think makes sense according to my nonsensical braindead philosophy that has no reasoning behind it."

 

[Tenres]

In fact I’ll double down on my point and say a parent who has “intrusive” thoughts about killing their child 100% wants to kill their child when those thoughts arise. Only because of our inhibition, specifically evaluating if a thought is advantageous/disadvantageous upon execution prevents them from acting on it

So at the exact moment an image flashes before their eyes and they are extremely distressed by it and want the thought to go away, to the point of depressed and wanting to end their life, your conclusion is that they actually want to kill their child and they are consciously choosing to have the thought

Like dude, you're really fucking dumb. You know nothing about OCD, you thought me knowing basic facts about it meant I was using AI, like just stop nigga

 

[Chungus]

No shit there's nothing 'inherently erroneous about the thought.' Who said this? Send anyone saying this right now or admit your a retard who can't read.

The point is that they are intrusive because the person a) does not want the thought and b) is not consciously trying to have the thought.

You are acting as if the thoughts are fundamentally disconnected from the individual’s wants and needs which implies it’s an erroneous thought
My whole thread is arguing the individual does want the thought and the thought reemerges because the individual doesn’t act on it, can you even read?

Hey dumbass, it doesn't matter why they do or don't want to have the thought, it is intrusive by definition because it the result of an unconscious feedback loop of threat detection.

“Hey dumbass” what is this GPT generated insult? Also, a thought being generated from the unconscious doesn’t qualify it as intrusive. All thoughts stim from your unconscious and that would mean all of your thoughts are intrusive

Then send proof faggot. You just made an empirical claim, so I'm sure you have evidence. Surely you're not just stating random shit, surely you don't think our evidentiary standard is "what I think makes sense according to my nonsensical braindead philosophy that has no reasoning behind it."

Send proof they don’t want to kill their child

 

[Tenres]

You are acting as if the thoughts are fundamentally disconnected from the individual’s wants and needs which implies it’s an erroneous thought
My whole thread is arguing the individual does want the thought and the thought reemerges because the individual doesn’t act on it, can you even read?

“Hey dumbass” what is this GPT generated insult? Also, a thought being generated from the unconscious doesn’t qualify it as intrusive. All thoughts stim from your unconscious and that would mean all of your thoughts are intrusive

Send proof they don’t want to kill their child

Wow even the insults are ChatGPT generated

Youre really stupid man. Never speak on anything again. You are an undereducated lowlife

 

[Chungus]

Wow even the insults are ChatGPT generated

Youre really stupid man. Never speak on anything again. You are an undereducated lowlife

old man yells at cloud ahh insults

 

[Tenres]

old man yells at cloud ahh insults

Old man using ChatGPT apparently. Nigga saw a word that he's never seen in his 13 years of life and thought it was the big GPT

 

[Chungus]

Old man using ChatGPT apparently. Nigga saw a word that he's never seen in his 13 years of life and thought it was the big GPT

“egodystonic” and “anterior cingulate complex” are not words in a fat incels vocabulary typically

 

[Tenres]

“egodystonic” and “anterior cingulate complex” are not words in a fat incels vocabulary typically

Egodystonic should be immediately recognizable by anyone through registering ego to refer to the self, and by associating the prefix dys with dysregulate or dysgenic, something that is against or harmful.

I'm sorry they didn't teach you this in 7th grade. I'm here for u though!

 

[Tenres]

Also if I said complex I meant cortex obv

 

[littestjeff1]

truth, low T if you aren't acting on them