is 200mg of test e a week enough for gains?

[rayman]

Going to roid for gains within the next 2 weeks. I want to have a protocol before I buy anything.

I'm 17 so I wanted to take a lower dose to minimize side effects/damage to my hormones after stopping roiding.

is 200mg of test E a week enough to make solid muscle gains?

If not recommend me a dose, please recommend PCT protocol as well if you can.

 

[ChadsAreCool]

If you decide to take steriods you will most likely cruise till death. Your shit might never return to normal and u will be dependent on gear. Not a bad thing but be aware

 

[rayman]

If you decide to take steriods you will most likely cruise till death. Your shit might never return to normal and u will be dependent on gear. Not a bad thing but be aware

Why you say most likely? Ik im young but even if I take a low dose and properly pct I'll still be fucked?

 

[nvck_pilled]

ur body produces like 5-7mg of test a day rofl
and how much of that is actual free test with the binding capabilities exogenous hormones
200 mg is super physiological dosage and more than enough for someone with no gear experience much less a 17 year old that's untrained

 

[Deleted member 6380]

Yes

 

[ChadsAreCool]

Why you say most likely? Ik im young but even if I take a low dose and properly pct I'll still be fucked?

Who knows, just remember, once you get on you won’t go back

 

[Deleted member 6380]

ur body produces like 5-7mg of test a day rofl
and how much of that is actual free test with the binding capabilities exogenous hormones
200 mg is super physiological dosage and more than enough for someone with no gear experience much less a 17 year old that's untrained

Too much is too much and roids are unnatural anyway

 

[joeveniro]

dont be retarded, make a LOT of research beforehand; make sure this cycle will be perfect- not because it will fuck your health ( it wont most likely ) but to use the FULL potential of the roid.
also, BE SURE YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR >EVERYTHING<, supplements, alimentation, gym, PCT, that thing that doesnt give you boobies, etc.

 

[joeveniro]

also while roiding i would recommend to make the full use of it- do jelqing, chewing, bonesmashing idk anything that can force any of your muscules to grow faster

 

[nvck_pilled]

Too much is too much and roids are unnatural anyway

the point is that you could take 200mg of test-e for a year and still not stop making insane gains, you should only push dosages when you actually need to in order to grow

 

[clavicel]

Absolutely
- It's your first cycle so your androgen receptors are "fresh"
- You definitely don't have enough lean body mass to warrant more
- Higher doses will give you more sides
Just make absolutely sure your diet/sleep is in check, you've done enough research to know exactly what you're doing, and you don't slack off in the gym

 

[rayman]

dont be retarded, make a LOT of research beforehand; make sure this cycle will be perfect- not because it will fuck your health ( it wont most likely ) but to use the FULL potential of the roid.
also, BE SURE YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR >EVERYTHING<, supplements, alimentation, gym, PCT, that thing that doesnt give you boobies, etc.

I PLAN for this to be my only cycle, so I'm gonna make sure nutrition,recovery and training are on point to not waste it. I just need to consume a lot more practical/technical info on protocols, and especially how to do PCT and all that other stuff. Any recommendation on a forum or site to learn all that?

 

[rayman]

ur body produces like 5-7mg of test a day rofl
and how much of that is actual free test with the binding capabilities exogenous hormones
200 mg is super physiological dosage and more than enough for someone with no gear experience much less a 17 year old that's untrained

Do you recommend going even lower then? Like 100-150 mg/week

 

[Loud_Jock]

Yes for sure

 

[Cares]

Your problem isn’t testosterone. Your problem is that you don’t eat enough. Even on 200mg it won’t make a difference if you aren’t already eating enough.

 

[Deleted member 6825]

Is it possible to avoid pct by using very small dosage? (Not for big gains but for cure of mental issues)

 

[Deleted member 110]

Is it possible to avoid pct by using very small dosage? (Not for big gains but for cure of mental issues)

only with sarms not with test E

 

[ChestBrah]

probably yea since trannies take 200 mg test cypionate u should be good

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

You are going to get shutdown either way so might as well go 500mg but do it if you know how to control estrogen levels. 200mg is just 2.5 times the replacement levels so you wont make good muscle

 

[sasha777]

moreplatesmoredates on YT, watch his vids about roiding.

 

[Lev Peshkov]

Nolvadex preventing shutdown during cycle - AnabolicMinds.com

Study shows increase in FSH while taking 40 mg test undec + tamoxifen. most of the time FSH and LH move in relation. has anyone done a mild cycle with nolva during? any experiences? Study: The combination of testosterone undecanoate with tamoxifen citrate enhances the effects of each agent...

anabolicminds.com

use these

cruise until probably 20 or 25 when ur body has finished developing then do these maxxing

u can come of trt and use clomid, hmg, hcg and nolva to fix urself

as the doc says he has never seen it not work

u jsut dont wanna be supressed in puberty as u are developing

 

[Deleted member 5187]

If you gonna fuck with the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis, then might as well go higher than 200mg.

Atleast 300mg but 500mg would probaly be the best option.

Also be aware that your growthplates and brain is at an increased risk of complications from test at your age

Also be aware that some few unlucky ones will never have a successful pct and will need to pin for life while some only partially recover to baseline.
This is rare but something you should consider.

It's not like a supplement, it's exogenous hormones be careful

 

[gaymidget]

Wait another 3-4 years.

 

[rayman]

Nolvadex preventing shutdown during cycle - AnabolicMinds.com

Study shows increase in FSH while taking 40 mg test undec + tamoxifen. most of the time FSH and LH move in relation. has anyone done a mild cycle with nolva during? any experiences? Study: The combination of testosterone undecanoate with tamoxifen citrate enhances the effects of each agent...

anabolicminds.com

use these

cruise until probably 20 or 25 when ur body has finished developing then do these maxxing

u can come of trt and use clomid, hmg, hcg and nolva to fix urself

as the doc says he has never seen it not work

u jsut dont wanna be supressed in puberty as u are developing

isnt 200mg already a cruising dose? And wym “dont want to suppress during puberty”.
Was gonna get my levels tested after PCT and if they’re low then I guess I’d just have to take a small dose like 100-150 mg/week for life.

 

[Lev Peshkov]

isnt 200mg already a cruising dose? And wym “dont want to suppress during puberty”.
Was gonna get my levels tested after PCT and if they’re low then I guess I’d just have to take a small dose like 100-150 mg/week for life.

Wdym?

Im crusing after tren as it supresses a while

 

[Deleted member 7753]

are you trained to inject 200mg of testosterone? if youre untrained jumping on 200mg at 17 seems like a death sentence

 

[rayman]

Wdym?

Im crusing after tren as it supresses a while

I thought the whole point of PCT was to bring your levels back to normal after you cycle. Your saying I should take nolvadex during my cycle? And why are you saying I should cruise for years?

you saying it’s unsafe to do a cycle and then do PCT because I’m still developing?

 

[Lev Peshkov]

I thought the whole point of PCT was to bring your levels back to normal after you cycle. Your saying I should take nolvadex during my cycle? And why are you saying I should cruise for years?

you saying it’s unsafe to do a cycle and then do PCT because I’m still developing?

Pct should work but they think using nolva on cycle prevents any risk

 

[rayman]

are you trained to inject 200mg of testosterone? if youre untrained jumping on 200mg at 17 seems like a death sentence

I’m pretty untrained, I’m low body fat but also low muscle, i can see abs if I flex or keep proper posture. Ik how to diet / train properly to a good degree, was working out before quarantine.

what makes you say death sentence?

 

[Deleted member 7753]

I’m pretty untrained, I’m low body fat but also low muscle, i can see abs if I flex or keep proper posture. Ik how to diet / train properly to a good degree, was working out before quarantine.

what makes you say death sentence?

you'll most likely shed hair, likely permanently, you'll grow wrinkles from muscle hypertrophy in your face, acne and even gynecomastia if you dont take a proper amount of AI. if you dont cruise your natural testosterone might even be lower than previously. all these are brutal 17 especially hair loss and looking older. if you want to inject t while youre untrained, start low, like 70-100 mg, take AI and look into serms. gl bro

 

[Lars]

i should go to a doctor first to ask advise and he can measure your blood (if you live in europe)

 

[rayman]

you'll most likely shed hair, likely permanently, you'll grow wrinkles from muscle hypertrophy in your face, acne and even gynecomastia if you dont take a proper amount of AI. if you dont cruise your natural testosterone might even be lower than previously. all these are brutal 17 especially hair loss and looking older. if you want to inject t while youre untrained, start low, like 70-100 mg, take AI and look into serms. gl bro

isn’t 200mg a cruise dose already? I will take AI and do propert pct anyway.

a lot of my reason for wanting to do this is because @Intel.Imperitive Did the same thing at 17 and he didn’t report anything bad. He took 500mg and took winstrol. I’m just doing 200mg

 

[Copemaxxing]

Who knows, just remember, once you get on you won’t go back

what about sarmsv

 

[Deleted member 7753]

isn’t 200mg a cruise dose already? I will take AI and do propert pct anyway.

a lot of my reason for wanting to do this is because @Intel.Imperitive Did the same thing at 17 and he didn’t report anything bad. He took 500mg and took winstrol. I’m just doing 200mg

dudes who cruise 200mg look like this already

while you most likely look like this

Start slow. you can up the dosage as you gain more muscle that can actually use the 200mg of test instead of making things worse for yourself.

 

[LastGerman]

Also take estrogen blocker on top of that.

 

[rayman]

dudes who cruise 200mg look like this already

while you most likely look like this

Start slow. you can up the dosage as you gain more muscle that can actually use the 200mg of test instead of making things worse for yourself.

Is there Even a point in taking 100mg/week if I’m not looking for replacement? Wouldn’t that just replace my natty levels, which would get shutdown from me injecting anyway.

I only want to do one cycle. I don’t want to cruise for life or years. I’m not understanding the point of starting so low like 70-100mg/week.

 

[Deleted member 5818]

Do you recommend going even lower then? Like 100-150 mg/week

If you gonna fuck with the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis, then might as well go higher than 200mg.

Atleast 300mg but 500mg would probaly be the best option.

Also be aware that your growthplates and brain is at an increased risk of complications from test at your age

Also be aware that some few unlucky ones will never have a successful pct and will need to pin for life while some only partially recover to baseline.
This is rare but something you should consider.

It's not like a supplement, it's exogenous hormones be careful

Is the brain shit cope?

I read that the studies aren't reliable

 

[Deleted member 5818]

Is there Even a point in taking 100mg/week if I’m not looking for replacement? Wouldn’t that just replace my natty levels, which would get shutdown from me injecting anyway.

I only want to do one cycle. I don’t want to cruise for life or years. I’m not understanding the point of starting so low like 70-100mg/week.

one cycle = futile

blast and cruise for life boyo

 

[Deleted member 439]

test injections scale 4-6times; so 200mg per week would be 800-1200ng/dl
I am 900ng natty so i see no point in you doing 200mg. take 500mg which would be 2000-3000ng/dl

 

[Deleted member 5187]

Is the brain shit cope?

I read that the studies aren't reliable

They know for a fact things like Tren and Test impacts the brain especially Tren.

They theorize that nearly all anabolic steroids do to some degree.
It's also been proven steroid users got less grey matter in the brain (might just be that people with low grey matter got a higher tendency to use anabolics).

But I think they will impact the brain especially under 25 yr while it's still developing.

 

[Deleted member 5818]

They know for a fact things like Tren and Test impacts the brain especially Tren.

They theorize that nearly all anabolic steroids do to some degree.
It's also been proven steroid users got less grey matter in the brain (might just be that people with low grey matter got a higher tendency to use anabolics).

But I think they will impact the brain especially under 25 yr while it's still developing.

starting tomorrow, i am cruising on 250mg of test e for the rest of my life and blasting whenever I want, what are your thoughts on this?

forgot to mention, im 16 btw

 

[Deleted member 5187]

starting tomorrow, i am cruising on 250mg of test e for the rest of my life and blasting whenever I want, what are your thoughts on this?

Well 250mg is with high likelyhood going to put you in supra physiological levels.
But your doctor will probaly test this if it prescribed

 

[Deleted member 5818]

Well 250mg is with high likelyhood going to put you in supra physiological levels.
But your doctor will probaly test this if it prescribed

it's a self prescribed, i self test my T levels and got around 500ng/dl which just isnt gonna cut it tbh, im 16 btw man

 

[Deleted member 5187]

it's a self prescribed, i self test my T levels and got around 500ng/dl which just isnt gonna cut it tbh, im 16 btw man

That's an early age to use trt ngl

You should probaly wait some years

 

[MewingJBP]

why do a cycle and just quit to go back to your shitty test levels... You will lose your gains as well

If you roid, you roid till you die

JFL if you want to live to your 60s and on have fun with your deteriorating body, health problems and arthritis

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

If you gonna fuck with the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis, then might as well go higher than 200mg.

Atleast 300mg but 500mg would probaly be the best option.

Also be aware that your growthplates and brain is at an increased risk of complications from test at your age

Also be aware that some few unlucky ones will never have a successful pct and will need to pin for life while some only partially recover to baseline.
This is rare but something you should consider.

It's not like a supplement, it's exogenous hormones be careful

some things youve said are load of shit but ok

 

[Germania]

Going to roid for gains within the next 2 weeks. I want to have a protocol before I buy anything.

I'm 17 so I wanted to take a lower dose to minimize side effects/damage to my hormones after stopping roiding.

is 200mg of test E a week enough to make solid muscle gains?

If not recommend me a dose, please recommend PCT protocol as well if you can.

Don't ask here!
Guys here are all 16yo.

 

[Deleted member 5187]

some things youve said are load of shit but ok

Name one and I will try to reference a study

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

Name one and I will try to reference a study

people always recover without PCT and theres no such thing as perma shutdown. the longer you pin harder for you to recover. maybe years but you'll always recover. old bbers never did PCT

 

[gaymidget]

people always recover without PCT and theres no such thing as perma shutdown. the longer you pin harder for you to recover. maybe years but you'll always recover. old bbers never did PCT

It depends, yeah your testicles recover somewhat but its never clear how much they will recover. Maybe you will end up with a shitty hormone profile which will negatively impact your mental health, your body composition and joints. PCT is in general gay, just blast and cruise.