IS 6 WEEKS TOO LATE TO START PCT

[Bigfatpersonboy]

Cycled Test-C for 12 weeks at 400mg. It’s been 6 weeks since my last injection and I feel fine and healthy except some mood swings.

Waiting to get bloods back but is it too late to start PCT or is it still necessary?

 

[MA_ascender]

nah don't bother with pct atp @Orc @asdvek

 

[IntelligentCel]

PCT is for a fast recovery. If you don't do PCT, there will still be recovery, but will happen slower.

If your body can't recover, then no PCT can help.

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

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nah don't bother with pct atp @Orc @asdvek

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PCT is for a fast recovery. If you don't do PCT, there will still be recovery, but will happen slower.

If your body can't recover, then no PCT can help.

I could be wrong but feel like testicles have shrunk slightly since 8 weeks in and have not returned to normal

 

[MA_ascender]

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I could be wrong but feel like testicles have shrunk slightly since 8 weeks in and have not returned to normal

yeah theyll get back to normal. you can pct if it gives you peace of mind but i wouldn't since your T is higher after a roid cycle w/out pct than a cycle with pct

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

Thanks for advice. I probably won’t bother then

 

[IntelligentCel]

I could be wrong but feel like testicles have shrunk slightly since 8 weeks in and have not returned to normal

Exogenous androgens stop natural testosterone production, and when this happens, testicles stop producing testosterone and shrink in many cases, not in every case. In my case, I started a perma blast 8 months ago, and no testicle shrinkage has occurred.

Your body will either recover or won't recover, and PCT has nothing to do with it. PCT is all about speeding up the process, not causing recovery. Recovery is something the body does in its own.

 

[IntelligentCel]

i wouldn't since your T is higher after a roid cycle w/out pct than a cycle with pct

PCT is started after 5 half-lives of the testosterone ester have passed.

 

[MA_ascender]

PCT is started after 5 half-lives of the testosterone ester have passed.

ok

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

Exogenous androgens stop natural testosterone production, and when this happens, testicles stop producing testosterone and shrink in many cases, not in every case. In my case, I started a perma blast 8 months ago, and no testicle shrinkage has occurred.

Your body will either recover or won't recover, and PCT has nothing to do with it. PCT is all about speeding up the process, not causing recovery. Recovery is something the body does in its own.

Damn what dose and how are results?

 

[IntelligentCel]

Damn what dose and how are results?

Perma blast can be dangerous if high doses are used, so I use only 300 mg a week (testosterone enanthate). This dose gives me 5,000 ng/dL of total testosterone, free testosterone is 1.8x above the reference range, and DHT is almost at the upper end of the reference range.

Estradiol (e2) is 500 pmol/L, but I don't use AIs because I'm tolerant to high e2, apparently.

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

PCT is started after 5 half-lives of the testosterone ester have passed.

So it’s been about 9 half lives in my case

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

Perma blast can be dangerous if high doses are used, so I use only 300 mg a week (testosterone enanthate). This dose gives me 5,000 ng/dL of total testosterone, free testosterone is 1.8x above the reference range, and DHT is almost at the upper end of the reference range.

Estradiol (e2) is 500 pmol/L, but I don't use AIs because I'm tolerant to high e2, apparently.

Good luck bro

 

[IntelligentCel]

So it’s been about 9 half lives in my case

Then you can start PCT.

Wait for blood tests to show the results. If you are not satisfied with the results, either wait more time or just start PCT.

 

[LilJojo]

Perma blast can be dangerous if high doses are used, so I use only 300 mg a week (testosterone enanthate). This dose gives me 5,000 ng/dL of total testosterone, free testosterone is 1.8x above the reference range, and DHT is almost at the upper end of the reference range.

Estradiol (e2) is 500 pmol/L, but I don't use AIs because I'm tolerant to high e2, apparently.

500 is normal if my calculations are correct. High estrogen either way isn’t bad you only get puffy nipples and mood swings

 

[Orc]

Exogenous androgens stop natural testosterone production, and when this happens, testicles stop producing testosterone and shrink in many cases, not in every case. In my case, I started a perma blast 8 months ago, and no testicle shrinkage has occurred.

Your body will either recover or won't recover, and PCT has nothing to do with it. PCT is all about speeding up the process, not causing recovery. Recovery is something the body does in its own.

PCT doesn't speed up recovery, it slows it down, it only helps against withdrawal symptoms.

 

[Bigfatpersonboy]

Then you can start PCT.

Wait for blood tests to show the results. If you are not satisfied with the results, either wait more time or just start PCT.

It’s been about 45 days since last injection. Bloods should come back any day now. I know it depends on every person but what Test levels do u think I should be at to think about PCT?

 

[IntelligentCel]

PCT doesn't speed up recovery, it slows it down, it only helps against withdrawal symptoms.

If it's done with clomiphene or enclomiphene, it should speed up testosterone production recovery.

 

[IntelligentCel]

It’s been about 45 days since last injection. Bloods should come back any day now. I know it depends on every person but what Test levels do u think I should be at to think about PCT?

Natural testosterone reference range is 300-1,000 ng/dL. If it's below 300 ng/dL, it's considered a hypogonadal level.

500-600 ng/dL is average.

I had 600 ng/dL before I started the perma blast (and using steroids in general).

 

[Orc]

If it's done with clomiphene or enclomiphene, it should speed up testosterone production recovery.

none of those do anything for sperm or testosterone recovery.

it's a meme that has zero scientific documentation, in the only large sample study performed on bodybuilders they found negative difference from using pct, and that is from all forms of pct.

 

[AspiringMogger]

none of those do anything for sperm or testosterone recovery.

it's a meme that has zero scientific documentation, in the only large sample study performed on bodybuilders they found negative difference from using pct, and that is from all forms of pct.

You definitely roid. JFL at you claiming natty

 

[lebronjames23]

none of those do anything for sperm or testosterone recovery.

it's a meme that has zero scientific documentation, in the only large sample study performed on bodybuilders they found negative difference from using pct, and that is from all forms of pct.

Yeah pct seems like a meme

I’ve came on and off roids a 1000 times and I hardly feel any sides when I come off tbh. Still feel great

 

[IntelligentCel]

You definitely roid. JFL at you claiming natty

If this is him in the profile pic, he is on gear. Shoulders don't lie. People who use steroids have specific shoulders natty people can't develop.

 

[IntelligentCel]

none of those do anything for sperm or testosterone recovery.

it's a meme that has zero scientific documentation, in the only large sample study performed on bodybuilders they found negative difference from using pct, and that is from all forms of pct.

You are probably right.

On dedicated forums for steroids, I always get recommended to do a PCT if I get off steroids. Why do they recommend this if it doesn't matter.

 

[Orc]

Why do they recommend this if it doesn't matter.

because they help against withdrawals which makes people assume they're effective.

in reality it's not the case.

 

[Orc]

If this is him in the profile pic, he is on gear. Shoulders don't lie. People who use steroids have specific shoulders natty people can't develop.

most people on gear have shitty shoulders and over-sized traps and lower chest, it's also a meme.

big shoulders aren't actually very common.

 

[asdvek]

Cycled Test-C for 12 weeks at 400mg. It’s been 6 weeks since my last injection and I feel fine and healthy except some mood swings.

Waiting to get bloods back but is it too late to start PCT or is it still necessary?

Dont do pct faggot
Pct is the most useless thing ever
Kys fag