Is a 250/300mg Test E Cycle @ Natural 950ng/dl (91.7 free) a good idea?

[fire1337]

I hope I'm posting this under the right forum but I wanted to hear some advice from you guys on a cycle I've been debating. I was about 170lb about 6 months before I took Reta. I've now been off for a month and am not worried about my diet.

• Height: 5'9
• Weight: 140lb
• BF: 11-13%

I'm currently 19 and have natural 945 total test and 91.7 free test. Over my life I always thought I had low test (lower libido, physical look, etc.) but it turns out I'm naturally on the higher end. I had bought 300mg Test E as well as clomid, hcg, and arimidex for a cycle. Here are my questions:

1. My main goal is putting on muscle mass. Will taking 250 or 300mg a week help with that? Or would I see hardly any / possibly diminishing gains at the test level I'm at?
2. If I do follow through, what do different cycle lengths do and what would you recommend? 12W? 15W? 20W?
3. I know there's a fertility risk, even with hcg + pct, but I also heard that taking test would permanently tank my test. What would my test levels be at after PCT? or how long would it take to recover to my natural test levels?
4. I plan on only doing ONE cycle (I know I know). Is there any other risks I'm missing? I'm currently on accutane and eplerenone, but that's it.
5. Would you recommend 300mg? Or would that put me way too high. I've been debating starting at 250 mainly for the facial side effects.

Let me know your guys' thoughts on this or if you have any questions for me. I already bought everything prior to my bloodwork and was seriously shocked when levels came back that high. I keep hearing from everyone that it's not a good idea but the muscle gains are calling to me, and if the pros outweigh the negatives, then I'm okay with it. Just don't want to tank my test and fertility in the long run.

P.S. I've had almost everyone I've asked tell me to stay away from test because of my naturally high levels. Was possibly thinking of tossing the Test and going with an HCG only cycle since I will also have an AI on hand. Not too sure I can salvage Clomid and also debating just tossing everything. Should've been patient and waited for lab results

 

[India lover 52]

I hope I'm posting this under the right forum but I wanted to hear some advice from you guys on a cycle I've been debating. I was about 170lb about 6 months before I took Reta. I've now been off for a month and am not worried about my diet.

• Height: 5'9
• Weight: 140lb
• BF: 11-13%

I'm currently 19 and have natural 945 total test and 91.7 free test. Over my life I always thought I had low test (lower libido, physical look, etc.) but it turns out I'm naturally on the higher end. I had bought 300mg Test E as well as clomid, hcg, and arimidex for a cycle. Here are my questions:

1. My main goal is putting on muscle mass. Will taking 250 or 300mg a week help with that? Or would I see hardly any / possibly diminishing gains at the test level I'm at?
2. If I do follow through, what do different cycle lengths do and what would you recommend? 12W? 15W? 20W?
3. I know there's a fertility risk, even with hcg + pct, but I also heard that taking test would permanently tank my test. What would my test levels be at after PCT? or how long would it take to recover to my natural test levels?
4. I plan on only doing ONE cycle (I know I know). Is there any other risks I'm missing? I'm currently on accutane and eplerenone, but that's it.
5. Would you recommend 300mg? Or would that put me way too high. I've been debating starting at 250 mainly for the facial side effects.

Let me know your guys' thoughts on this or if you have any questions for me. I already bought everything prior to my bloodwork and was seriously shocked when levels came back that high. I keep hearing from everyone that it's not a good idea but the muscle gains are calling to me, and if the pros outweigh the negatives, then I'm okay with it. Just don't want to tank my test and fertility in the long run.

P.S. I've had almost everyone I've asked tell me to stay away from test because of my naturally high levels. Was possibly thinking of tossing the Test and going with an HCG only cycle since I will also have an AI on hand. Not too sure I can salvage Clomid and also debating just tossing everything. Should've been patient and waited for lab results

You dont really need hcg at that low of a dose of test for one cycle especially with a strong hpta beforehand

even at the high end of natural production you can only produce like 75mg a week of test naturally so yes you will see gains at 300mg test

your htpa is healthy beforehand and your using hcg and doing a low dose your natural levels will be the same afterward

Accutane stresses your liver so take that into account if you decide to add in a oral later and get your liver enzymes checked

If you haven't taken gear before you can't really know your body's reaction to steroids some people can take grams of gear without any side effects and others can't do 300mg test without side effects so tirate your dose up from 200mg until you get sides or are happy with your current dose.


Having naturally high test levels doesn't mean you shouldn't do gear it just means your hpta is naturally more resilient and you can generally tolerate gear better and recover your natural production better after cycles

Its up to you if you want to do a cycle or not but hcg only or clomid only cycles are garbage and should never be considered and taking an ai with hcg is a good way to crash your estrogen

 

[India lover 52]

I hope I'm posting this under the right forum but I wanted to hear some advice from you guys on a cycle I've been debating. I was about 170lb about 6 months before I took Reta. I've now been off for a month and am not worried about my diet.

• Height: 5'9
• Weight: 140lb
• BF: 11-13%

I'm currently 19 and have natural 945 total test and 91.7 free test. Over my life I always thought I had low test (lower libido, physical look, etc.) but it turns out I'm naturally on the higher end. I had bought 300mg Test E as well as clomid, hcg, and arimidex for a cycle. Here are my questions:

1. My main goal is putting on muscle mass. Will taking 250 or 300mg a week help with that? Or would I see hardly any / possibly diminishing gains at the test level I'm at?
2. If I do follow through, what do different cycle lengths do and what would you recommend? 12W? 15W? 20W?
3. I know there's a fertility risk, even with hcg + pct, but I also heard that taking test would permanently tank my test. What would my test levels be at after PCT? or how long would it take to recover to my natural test levels?
4. I plan on only doing ONE cycle (I know I know). Is there any other risks I'm missing? I'm currently on accutane and eplerenone, but that's it.
5. Would you recommend 300mg? Or would that put me way too high. I've been debating starting at 250 mainly for the facial side effects.

Let me know your guys' thoughts on this or if you have any questions for me. I already bought everything prior to my bloodwork and was seriously shocked when levels came back that high. I keep hearing from everyone that it's not a good idea but the muscle gains are calling to me, and if the pros outweigh the negatives, then I'm okay with it. Just don't want to tank my test and fertility in the long run.

P.S. I've had almost everyone I've asked tell me to stay away from test because of my naturally high levels. Was possibly thinking of tossing the Test and going with an HCG only cycle since I will also have an AI on hand. Not too sure I can salvage Clomid and also debating just tossing everything. Should've been patient and waited for lab results

If im being honest you need test if your only 140 at 19 and having high natural test is the worst reason i've heard not to take gear

 

[carpe diem]

I hope I'm posting this under the right forum but I wanted to hear some advice from you guys on a cycle I've been debating. I was about 170lb about 6 months before I took Reta. I've now been off for a month and am not worried about my diet.

• Height: 5'9
• Weight: 140lb
• BF: 11-13%

I'm currently 19 and have natural 945 total test and 91.7 free test. Over my life I always thought I had low test (lower libido, physical look, etc.) but it turns out I'm naturally on the higher end. I had bought 300mg Test E as well as clomid, hcg, and arimidex for a cycle. Here are my questions:

1. My main goal is putting on muscle mass. Will taking 250 or 300mg a week help with that? Or would I see hardly any / possibly diminishing gains at the test level I'm at?
2. If I do follow through, what do different cycle lengths do and what would you recommend? 12W? 15W? 20W?
3. I know there's a fertility risk, even with hcg + pct, but I also heard that taking test would permanently tank my test. What would my test levels be at after PCT? or how long would it take to recover to my natural test levels?
4. I plan on only doing ONE cycle (I know I know). Is there any other risks I'm missing? I'm currently on accutane and eplerenone, but that's it.
5. Would you recommend 300mg? Or would that put me way too high. I've been debating starting at 250 mainly for the facial side effects.

Let me know your guys' thoughts on this or if you have any questions for me. I already bought everything prior to my bloodwork and was seriously shocked when levels came back that high. I keep hearing from everyone that it's not a good idea but the muscle gains are calling to me, and if the pros outweigh the negatives, then I'm okay with it. Just don't want to tank my test and fertility in the long run.

P.S. I've had almost everyone I've asked tell me to stay away from test because of my naturally high levels. Was possibly thinking of tossing the Test and going with an HCG only cycle since I will also have an AI on hand. Not too sure I can salvage Clomid and also debating just tossing everything. Should've been patient and waited for lab results

start 500 test.

Anything under shouldn't be considered a cycle

 

[fire1337]

i really appreciate all of the advice! im also going to incorporate hgh in just in the slim chance my plates are slightly open. and yeah im at 140 just because i cut on reta as id always been bigger throughout my life . everything should be here in the next 1-2 weeks! thanks again

If im being honest you need test if your only 140 at 19 and having high natural test is the worst reason i've heard not to take gear

he a

 

[fire1337]

haha fair enough i just wasnt sure what to call it besides a “cycle”

start 500 test.

Anything under shouldn't be considered a cycle

 

[AryanSchizo]

your natty test levels are really high , not worth hopping on roids unless you wanna compete in bodybuilding

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Not worth it right now. Wait several years, at least until you're 25. You'll probably be in a better headspace to take a sensible decision.

 

[fire1337]

im pretty sure im gonna run the "cycle" anyways, just because of the muscle gains at such a quick rate and ive always had a baby face. would rather live a short badass life than a long boring one B). also im going to be taking around 4iu pharmagrade hgh daily.

 

[gymcelmaxxedchud123]

I hope I'm posting this under the right forum but I wanted to hear some advice from you guys on a cycle I've been debating. I was about 170lb about 6 months before I took Reta. I've now been off for a month and am not worried about my diet.

• Height: 5'9
• Weight: 140lb
• BF: 11-13%

I'm currently 19 and have natural 945 total test and 91.7 free test. Over my life I always thought I had low test (lower libido, physical look, etc.) but it turns out I'm naturally on the higher end. I had bought 300mg Test E as well as clomid, hcg, and arimidex for a cycle. Here are my questions:

1. My main goal is putting on muscle mass. Will taking 250 or 300mg a week help with that? Or would I see hardly any / possibly diminishing gains at the test level I'm at?
2. If I do follow through, what do different cycle lengths do and what would you recommend? 12W? 15W? 20W?
3. I know there's a fertility risk, even with hcg + pct, but I also heard that taking test would permanently tank my test. What would my test levels be at after PCT? or how long would it take to recover to my natural test levels?
4. I plan on only doing ONE cycle (I know I know). Is there any other risks I'm missing? I'm currently on accutane and eplerenone, but that's it.
5. Would you recommend 300mg? Or would that put me way too high. I've been debating starting at 250 mainly for the facial side effects.

Let me know your guys' thoughts on this or if you have any questions for me. I already bought everything prior to my bloodwork and was seriously shocked when levels came back that high. I keep hearing from everyone that it's not a good idea but the muscle gains are calling to me, and if the pros outweigh the negatives, then I'm okay with it. Just don't want to tank my test and fertility in the long run.

P.S. I've had almost everyone I've asked tell me to stay away from test because of my naturally high levels. Was possibly thinking of tossing the Test and going with an HCG only cycle since I will also have an AI on hand. Not too sure I can salvage Clomid and also debating just tossing everything. Should've been patient and waited for lab results

u probably have low androgen receptor sensitivity which means u can have normal or high normal amounts of testosterone produced but still look and feel low T because your receptors don’t respond well to testosterone.

 

[fire1337]

u probably have low androgen receptor sensitivity which means u can have normal or high normal amounts of testosterone produced but still look and feel low T because your receptors don’t respond well to testosterone.

how should i increase my sensitivity and what would that result in?

 

[gymcelmaxxedchud123]

how should i increase my sensitivity and what would that result in?

you can’t. Androgen sensitivity is purely genetic. Which is why some guys explode in size off small cycles and others look natty while blasting.

 

[fire1337]

you can’t. Androgen sensitivity is purely genetic. Which is why some guys explode in size off small cycles and others look natty while blasting.

agh okay gotcha. ill keep yall updated on how it goes. started at 200 a week on friday. hgh should be here this upcoming week

 

[sjyot858]

agh okay gotcha. ill keep yall updated on how it goes. started at 200 a week on friday. hgh should be here this upcoming week

updates?

 

[fire1337]

updates?

Started test and hgh. Hcg, AI, and clomid will be here tmr. No side effects so far but it’s only been 1-2 weeks. Doing 275mg T 2x a week with 4iu hgh daily. Feel incredible. Not sure if it’s just my diet (which has been on point) but I’ve put on a ton of lean muscle. My arms are noticeably fuller and my strength has increased. I’m also energized throughout the whole day so I have to take melatonin at night. Again, could just be my diet as it’s pretty early into cycle but I feel great. I’m doing a 16 week cycle btw.

 

[turkcelfatcel]

Started test and hgh. Hcg, AI, and clomid will be here tmr. No side effects so far but it’s only been 1-2 weeks. Doing 275mg T 2x a week with 4iu hgh daily. Feel incredible. Not sure if it’s just my diet (which has been on point) but I’ve put on a ton of lean muscle. My arms are noticeably fuller and my strength has increased. I’m also energized throughout the whole day so I have to take melatonin at night. Again, could just be my diet as it’s pretty early into cycle but I feel great. I’m doing a 16 week cycle btw.

Good lol dont listen to retards here you did the right choice

 

[fire1337]

Good lol dont listen to retards here you did the right choice

I’m incredibly happy with my results so far, I’ve never felt better in my life. Increased to 300mg test e 2x a week and 6iu hgh daily. Taking ~400iu of hcg and 12.5mg aromasin e3d. 50mg eplerenone daily and my hctz got delayed but plan to do 25mg eplerenone w 12.5mg hctz daily. Also just switched from creatine gummies to the powder since the gummies ain’t do SHIT. Got prescribed minoxidil but have had no need tbh so I stopped it (might go back on). THE ONLY issue I’ve had is a high heart rate. I sit around 100 pretty much the whole day. I’m not sure if that’s due to something I’m on, or if it’s just my diet. I’m eating basically 80% of my meats as red meat. Getting labs done tomorrow alongside meeting with my PCP to discuss heart rate. Also debating getting aqualyx for my hyoid fat / cheek fat, but kinda wanna wait to see if hctz will remove that extra little fat I retain. My face started off quite bloated, but now’s it’s slimmed back down off the eplerenone alone. Any advice is always appreciated! Also not related but trying to get prescribed adderall / vyvanse from my psychiatrist but they’re booked until like April :/