they are average. building muscle will do a lot for you. you look like zyzz before he started lifting, infact he was narrower than you, but when his physique was well within the natural limit "ottermode" his frame looked well above average. you need to start lifting
it's negligible. no one gives a fuck about your small ribcage if you have broad shoulders, and no one gives a fuck about your barrel ribcage if you have narrow shoulders . SHOULDERS are the bodily symbol of masculinity and dimorphism
yes it is, I have narrow ribcage and wide hips and i look like shit without a Tee shirt. no matter how much muscular I am
do you not understand hyperbole? when we say something doesn't matter we mean it is negligible in comparison, and that's a fact. the ratio matters but its's retarded to think the ratio is more important. assuming they're both lean and just have different bones, a guy with 60cm shoulders and a wider waist will always look better than a guy with 40cm shoulders and a tiny ant waist. a smaller ribcage may make your waist look bigger but your SHOULDER to waist ratio is exactly that. it's mainly the shoulders that have the visual effect, and building the lats heavily mitigates a smaller ribcage whilst no amount of delt muscle mitigates narrow clavicles, and it doesn't matter that much if your ribcage makes your waist size look different because the shoulders are still the hightlight.
shoulders are still way more important. obviously top tier bodies will have it all, but those are extreme examples. if you look at guys with decent to good bodies, they all have decent clavicles but not necessarily the best ribcage. on the other hand guys with a big ribcage look like shit if they have short clavicles even if they are jacked. just look at david laid, when he was scrawny you can see he had a tiny bird ribcage but good clavicles and now that he's jacked he has an insane dimorphic v shape despite his smaller ribcage
noone said it's bodybuilder tier but you're coping if u think its as bad as the frame on ur skinnyfat body
all that proves is that waist size is more important than the ribcage. if his waist was bigger than his ribcage, he'd look like shit, but his actual ribcage size would be unchanged, so what you're saying is that the waist size matters more than the ribcage itself
i unironically frame, hip and ribcage mog u lol, its over
woah kinda gay to be asking me for shirtless pics lol
i dont measure my body cause im not a gymcel lol
ok, make his clavicles smaller and leave everything else unchanged and it looks like shit. just because a ribcage can make a body look worse doesn't change the fact that clavicles are far more important. ratios matter but your clavicles are the main thing that effects the v taper. given that they're both lean, big shoulders with a bad waist looks better than narrow shoulders with a tiny waist
They work together in terms of building bideltoid, and usually they also grow together.
there are absolutely discrepanices, they are correlated but they aren't the exact same bones so there are discrepancies
it's the opposite. guys with a wide clavicle tend to have bigger ribcages. not the other way round. and clavicles are absolutely more important than the ribcage for ratios, that's why it's called the shoulder to waist ratio. just look at the guys in the pics i posted.
what? you really dont believe that i mog your puny frame?
Probably. Chico looks really small with a T-shirt on.
ok framecel lol
thanks for proving my point for me. all the guys i posted have small ribcages but have insane v tapers due to their big clavicles, therefore proving that clavicles are more important than ribcage for ratios.
you are too autistic to understand hyperbole apparently. when i say it's all about shoulders i don't mean that's all that matters, i mean it's the most important. and i never once said ratios don't matter, just that shoulders are the main thing that affects the ratio which i posted several examples of
no one has the fucking bone structure to have a waist as wide as a pair of wide shoulders. if a guy has wide shoulders and his waist is just as big that's because he has high body fat.
you don't have a better v taper than this guy. post pics or it's just e stats.
