is benching 45 hard or easy as a teen

[joebart101]

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

 

[abat]

you should be able to easily rep 45kg before you even start working out. roidmaxx bro

 

[cellmog]

you should be able to easily rep 45kg before you even start working out. roidmaxx bro

No if you have never did workout or boxing how would he get strength nigga? Also he just started puberty

 

[cellmog]

you should be able to easily rep 45kg before you even start working out. roidmaxx bro

Nigger suggesting 14 year old to hop on rouds

 

[maximuslaid]

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

I benched 315 when i was your age

 

[abat]

No if you have never did workout or boxing how would he get strength nigga? Also he just started puberty

i can tell youre fucking stupid just by reading your reply. for one, if you had eyes, you could clearly see that no context is provided. if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test and muscle mass are both shockingly low. go take dihexa because your iq is definitely fucking lacking

 

[rotation]

you should be able to easily rep 45kg before you even start working out. roidmaxx bro

I usually wouldn't like to shit on someone like this, but you are a fucking retard

recommending roids to a 14 year old with 0 understanding of physiology

you are a low iq faggot

if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test and muscle mass are both shockingly low. go take dihexa because your iq is definitely fucking lacking

wrong

that is normal when first starting the gym, my original pr (at 14) was 40kg, now im 15 and I bench 95kg

you need to actually look into topics and stop blindly recommending things to people that you do not understand

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

OP, you do not need PEDs, just keep training and hitting macros

depending on how tall you are, you are most likely underweight

eat in a moderate caloric surplus, track macros/calories, and keep training consistently

do you need help with training programming or volume control etc?

 

[abat]

I usually wouldn't like to shit on someone like this, but you are a fucking retard

recommending roids to a 14 year old with 0 understanding of physiology

you are a low iq faggot



wrong

that is normal when first starting the gym, my original pr (at 14) was 40kg, now im 15 and I bench 95kg

you need to actually look into topics and stop blindly recommending things to people that you do not understand




OP, you do not need PEDs, just keep training and hitting macros

depending on how tall you are, you are most likely underweight

eat in a moderate caloric surplus, track macros/calories, and keep training consistently

do you need help with training programming or volume control etc?

things that I dont understand? you have low test too, especially considering that youre 15. yes, you are right, he shouldnt take steroids right now as the suppression will royally screw him over, but he will at some point. cant call me low iq when im not

 

[Arsiz]

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

u are benching around 90% of your weight not bad i suppose u are a beginner too

 

[rotation]

things that I dont understand? you have low test too, especially considering that youre 15. yes, you are right, he shouldnt take steroids right now as the suppression will royally screw him over, but he will at some point. cant call me low iq when im not

i have low test?

what exactly makes you think that?

do you understand the endocrine system, whatsoever?

if you thing having an initial weak bench can determine your hormone levels, you need to delete your account and get a lobotomy

 

[abat]

things that I dont understand? you have low test too, especially considering that youre 15. yes, you are right, he shouldnt take steroids right now as the suppression will royally screw him over, but he will at some point. cant call me low iq when im not

and as a matter of fact it would be very beneficial for him to take some sort of PED. it doesnt need to be steroids, but running ul and tracking macros for the next couple of years isnt going to accomplish very much if your hormomes are already dogshit

 

[abat]

i have low test?

what exactly makes you think that?

do you understand the endocrine system, whatsoever?

if you thing having an initial weak bench can determine your hormone levels, you need to delete your account and get a lobotomy

it isnt about initial bench, it's about muscle mass. you continuously spit out random insults like they are going to make you right, which they wont. go iqmaxx for the love of god

 

[abat]

i have low test?

what exactly makes you think that?

do you understand the endocrine system, whatsoever?

if you thing having an initial weak bench can determine your hormone levels, you need to delete your account and get a lobotomy

also stop trying to straw man me, you just look like a retard

 

[NoaA99]

you should be able to easily rep 45kg before you even start working out. roidmaxx bro

Dumb

 

[LegendaryKennen]

benching weights isnt an accomplishment, especially for a 14 year old

 

[rotation]

it isnt about initial bench, it's about muscle mass. you continuously spit out random insults like they are going to make you right, which they wont. go iqmaxx for the love of god

I dont like to have an ego, but I unironically iqmog you horribly

having low muscle mass/weak bench at 14 does not mean whatsoever that you have poor hormonal function

firstly, you have no idea what stage of puberty he is at. this nigga could be pre-pubescent and your first argument is 'you have fucked hormones, hop on PEDs'

let puberty do the work, there is no need for PEDs

you could have high hormone levels and low muscle mass, just due to lack of exercise or resistance training

and as a matter of fact it would be very beneficial for him to take some sort of PED. it doesnt need to be steroids, but running ul and tracking macros for the next couple of years isnt going to accomplish very much if your hormomes are already dogshit

what PEDs do you recommend mr highiq? hGH? you have no idea what stage of development this guy is in, and just from a weak benchpress your argument is immediately that he must have hormonal issues

 

[abat]

Dumb

ironic

 

[abat]

I dont like to have an ego, but I unironically iqmog you horribly

having low muscle mass/weak bench at 14 does not mean whatsoever that you have poor hormonal function

firstly, you have no idea what stage of puberty he is at. this nigga could be pre-pubescent and your first argument is 'you have fucked hormones, hop on PEDs'

let puberty do the work, there is no need for PEDs

you could have high hormone levels and low muscle mass, just due to lack of exercise or resistance training



what PEDs do you recommend mr highiq? hGH? you have no idea what stage of development this guy is in, and just from a weak benchpress your argument is immediately that he must have hormonal issues

shocking that i cant recommend any peds given no context, as i already said. also, if you actually had high iq you wouldnt need to say that you do. anyone with decent hormonal function will have a decent amount of muscle mass at 14. stop using straw man buddy

 

[NoaA99]

ironic

Call it ironic, but it doesn’t make your take any less stupid, kid.

 

[rotation]

Call it ironic, but it doesn’t make your take any less stupid, kid.

I can't even be bothered to respond to that guy, his arguments are awful

he makes no sense, and his comebacks are just that I am retarded

 

[abat]

I dont like to have an ego, but I unironically iqmog you horribly

having low muscle mass/weak bench at 14 does not mean whatsoever that you have poor hormonal function

firstly, you have no idea what stage of puberty he is at. this nigga could be pre-pubescent and your first argument is 'you have fucked hormones, hop on PEDs'

let puberty do the work, there is no need for PEDs

you could have high hormone levels and low muscle mass, just due to lack of exercise or resistance training



what PEDs do you recommend mr highiq? hGH? you have no idea what stage of development this guy is in, and just from a weak benchpress your argument is immediately that he must have hormonal issu

Call it ironic,

good job einstein

 

[abat]

I can't even be bothered to respond to that guy, his arguments are awful

he makes no sense, and his comebacks are just that I am retarded

i havent called you retarded once, you are the one that has called me stupid multiple times. genuinely work on making concise arguments, it's a waste to read through your emotion filled bs just to get to a terrible point. summary: his hormonal function is clearly weak given his low muscle mass and age, and therefore he should consider PEDs at some point at his own discretion.

 

[abat]

I can't even be bothered to respond to that guy, his arguments are awful

he makes no sense, and his comebacks are just that I am retarded

please make a coherent point other than "everyone experiences puberty differently." the question was, "is 45kg easy?" the answer is yes, it is.

 

[rotation]

please make a coherent point other than "everyone experiences puberty differently." the question was, "is 45kg easy?" the answer is yes, it is.

my point is correct, and you cannot push back on it

give me endocrinological evidence that shows you are right, that not being able to bench over 45kg and having low muscle mass at 14 is not normal.

it is very normal

different stages of puberty occur at different stages, and one 14 year old could have significantly more testosterone than another 14 year old, simply due to the fact he is in a later stage of puberty

your point is dogshit

just because somebody is in an earlier stage of puberty does not mean they have developmental or hormonal issues, just that they are hitting puberty at a different rate

which is a normal, biological process

and your argument is that it does not matter what stage of puberty he is at, any 14 year old should have high muscle mass, and that therefore everyone should be developing at the same rate

i called you stupid because, quite frankly, you are

you are telling an impressionable child that he has hormonal and developmental issues because he is growing at a different rate to other teens, which is a process we have understood as normal since the start of time

and you are telling him that, because of these apparent issues, he needs PEDs

jesus christ

look at this guy @NoaA99

 

[joebart101]

benching weights isnt an accomplishment, especially for a 14 year old

never said it was

 

[abat]

my point is correct, and you cannot push back on it

give me endocrinological evidence that shows you are right, that not being able to bench over 45kg and having low muscle mass at 14 is not normal.

it is very normal

different stages of puberty occur at different stages, and one 14 year old could have significantly more testosterone than another 14 year old, simply due to the fact he is in a later stage of puberty

your point is dogshit

just because somebody is in an earlier stage of puberty does not mean they have developmental or hormonal issues, just that they are hitting puberty at a different rate

which is a normal, biological process

and your argument is that it does not matter what stage of puberty he is at, any 14 year old should have high muscle mass, and that therefore everyone should be developing at the same rate

i called you stupid because, quite frankly, you are

you are telling an impressionable child that he has hormonal and developmental issues because he is growing at a different rate to other teens, which is a process we have understood as normal since the start of time

and you are telling him that, because of these apparent issues, he needs PEDs

jesus christ

stop filling your points with random emotional bs. there isnt any specific scientific evidence to support my claim, but guess what, anecdotes exist. he has lower muscle mass than most 14 year olds, and peds could help improve quality of life, strength, and bodily function. shocking, right. it does matter what stage of puberty he is at, but that changes nothing about his current state. good job, you made one point about how puberty can vary, great observation. it doesnt change anything. also, an "impressionable child" is on org, he is going to be suggested much worse than simple peds which have miniscule effects on health. 45 kg is still easy weight, why are you still trying to insult me to "prove" your obvious observation which is irrelevant?

 

[abat]

my point is correct, and you cannot push back on it

give me endocrinological evidence that shows you are right, that not being able to bench over 45kg and having low muscle mass at 14 is not normal.

it is very normal

different stages of puberty occur at different stages, and one 14 year old could have significantly more testosterone than another 14 year old, simply due to the fact he is in a later stage of puberty

your point is dogshit

just because somebody is in an earlier stage of puberty does not mean they have developmental or hormonal issues, just that they are hitting puberty at a different rate

which is a normal, biological process

and your argument is that it does not matter what stage of puberty he is at, any 14 year old should have high muscle mass, and that therefore everyone should be developing at the same rate

i called you stupid because, quite frankly, you are

you are telling an impressionable child that he has hormonal and developmental issues because he is growing at a different rate to other teens, which is a process we have understood as normal since the start of time

and you are telling him that, because of these apparent issues, he needs PEDs

jesus christ

i never said your point was wrong, i asked for another point, one which was not so painfully obvious.

 

[rotation]

i never said your point was wrong, i asked for another point, one which was not so painfully obvious.

yes, my point was right. you literally cannot argue against it

its painfully obvious because, guess what, its correct

a 14 year old can have low muscle mass without hormonal or developmental issues, do i have to keep repeating it?

the only thing that matters is the stage of development he is at, not to mention that for an untrained teen 45kg is not 'weak'

give me a single point that proves a 14 year old with low muscle mass needs to hop on PEDs because they have 'hormone issues'

im not sure if anyone else is in this thread, but surely nobody actually agrees with this guy?

 

[NoaA99]

I can't even be bothered to respond to that guy, his arguments are awful

he makes no sense, and his comebacks are just that I am retarded

He’s an Augustcel, not worth arguing with most of them.

They usually throw out baseless takes like 45kg bench being weak for an untrained 14 yo kid, and somehow every issues solution comes back to just take roids.
He receives his information from TikTok, apparently.

 

[abat]

yes, my point was right. you literally cannot argue against it

its painfully obvious because, guess what, its correct

a 14 year old can have low muscle mass without hormonal or developmental issues, do i have to keep repeating it?

the only thing that matters is the stage of development he is at, not to mention that for an untrained teen 45kg is not 'weak'

give me a single point that proves a 14 year old with low muscle mass needs to hop on PEDs because they have 'hormone issues'

im not sure if anyone else is in this thread, but surely nobody actually agrees with this guy?

he doesnt need to have hormonal issues, that doesn't necessarily mean that he doesnt. either way, your entire point is still completely irrelevant because 45kg is very light for someone in their teens. still no clue what youre trying to argue

 

[abat]

yes, my point was right. you literally cannot argue against it

its painfully obvious because, guess what, its correct

a 14 year old can have low muscle mass without hormonal or developmental issues, do i have to keep repeating it?

the only thing that matters is the stage of development he is at, not to mention that for an untrained teen 45kg is not 'weak'

give me a single point that proves a 14 year old with low muscle mass needs to hop on PEDs because they have 'hormone issues'

im not sure if anyone else is in this thread, but surely nobody actually agrees with this guy?

he doesnt need to have hormonal issues, that doesn't necessarily mean that he doesnt. either way, your entire point is still completely irrelevant because 45kg is very light for someone in their teens. still no clue what youre trying to argue

 

[abat]

He’s an Augustcel, not worth arguing with most of them.

They usually throw out baseless takes like 45kg bench being weak for an untrained 14 yo kid, and somehow every issues solution comes back to just take roids.
He receives his information from TikTok, apparently.

so you cant read?

 

[abat]

dont even bother responding anymore unless youre going to make a coherent point that says 45kg isnt an easy weight. you can point out that puberty is different for everyone as many times as you want, it just doesnt change its meaning or revelance.

yes, my point was right. you literally cannot argue against it

its painfully obvious because, guess what, its correct

a 14 year old can have low muscle mass without hormonal or developmental issues, do i have to keep repeating it?

the only thing that matters is the stage of development he is at, not to mention that for an untrained teen 45kg is not 'weak'

give me a single point that proves a 14 year old with low muscle mass needs to hop on PEDs because they have 'hormone issues'

im not sure if anyone else is in this thread, but surely nobody actually agrees with this guy?

 

[rotation]

he doesnt need to have hormonal issues, that doesn't necessarily mean that he doesnt. either way, your entire point is still completely irrelevant because 45kg is very light for someone in their teens. still no clue what youre trying to argue

thanks for responding with the same thing twice

he doesnt need to have hormonal issues

you are just changing your point. let me quote you directly from earlier 'if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test is shockingly low'

I have never read a more stupid, generalised statement

so the argument now is that every 14 year old with low muscle mass needs PEDs?

great argument

your entire point is still completely irrelevant because 45kg is very light for someone in their teens

my point, which is that a 14 year old does not need PEDs because he is weak, is irrelevant?

I literally cannot keep replying to you bro, you sound ridiculous

45kg is light for someone in their teens who has been training/doing intense physical activity, but for somebody who is untrained it is not very light.

I have had frequent hormonal checks throughout my entire adolescence, and my hormones were perfect

and yet, I could only bench 45kg at 14? which is now 95kg at 15?

you make generalised statements on a nuanced topic, and it sucks

still no clue what youre trying to argue

I will make it clear

'you do not need PEDs at 14 just because you have low muscle mass'

point made

 

[cellmog]

i can tell youre fucking stupid just by reading your reply. for one, if you had eyes, you could clearly see that no context is provided. if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test and muscle mass are both shockingly low. go take dihexa because your iq is definitely fucking lacking

Nigga ur suggesting 14 year old to hop on rouds and callin me low iq retard

 

[abat]

Nigga ur suggesting 14 year old to hop on rouds and callin me low iq retard

peds, which everybody should.

 

[a1ad3nn]

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

Ok everyone else is going to trash on you because of how light that is but when I was 13 I couldn't bench the bar because lack of exercise but when I first started working out I noticed I increased my bench about 10lbs a week till I hit about 135lbs than I plateaued. The body when introduced to exercise for the first time rapidly adapts till a point

 

[a1ad3nn]

peds, which everybody should.

Peds will tank his test which is naturally peaking and fuck up his hormones than he'll be on trt his whole life

 

[abat]

thanks for responding with the same thing twice


you are just changing your point. let me quote you directly from earlier 'if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test is shockingly low'

I have never read a more stupid, generalised statement

so the argument now is that every 14 year old with low muscle mass needs PEDs?

great argument



my point, which is that a 14 year old does not need PEDs because he is weak, is irrelevant?

I literally cannot keep replying to you bro, you sound ridiculous

45kg is light for someone in their teens who has been training/doing intense physical activity, but for somebody who is untrained it is not very light.

I have had frequent hormonal checks throughout my entire adolescence, and my hormones were perfect

and yet, I could only bench 45kg at 14? which is now 95kg at 15?

you make generalised statements on a nuanced topic, and it sucks



I will make it clear

'you do not need PEDs at 14 just because you have low muscle mass'

point made

you genuinely just ignored my point 3 times. 45 kg is light, can you prove otherwise? no, you cant. great job, my statement was generalized, and it was never my point. nobody needs peds, but they definitely help. stop ignoring the point.

 

[abat]

Peds will tank his test which is naturally peaking and fuck up his hormones than he'll be on trt his whole life

no, roids will tank his test.

 

[abat]

genuinely stop replying if you can't acknowledge the point. iqmog my ass

thanks for responding with the same thing twice


you are just changing your point. let me quote you directly from earlier 'if you cant bench 45 kg at 14, your test is shockingly low'

I have never read a more stupid, generalised statement

so the argument now is that every 14 year old with low muscle mass needs PEDs?

great argument



my point, which is that a 14 year old does not need PEDs because he is weak, is irrelevant?

I literally cannot keep replying to you bro, you sound ridiculous

45kg is light for someone in their teens who has been training/doing intense physical activity, but for somebody who is untrained it is not very light.

I have had frequent hormonal checks throughout my entire adolescence, and my hormones were perfect

and yet, I could only bench 45kg at 14? which is now 95kg at 15?

you make generalised statements on a nuanced topic, and it sucks



I will make it clear

'you do not need PEDs at 14 just because you have low muscle mass'

point made

 

[rotation]

dont even bother responding anymore unless youre going to make a coherent point that says 45kg isnt an easy weight. you can point out that puberty is different for everyone as many times as you want, it just doesnt change its meaning or revelance.

here are some studies, which quite literally fully disprove your point.

Average Bench Strength For 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 Year Olds | PowerliftingTechnique.com

Knowing how your bench press compares to others at your age and weight is great motivation to improve.

powerliftingtechnique.com

this was performed on trained teens, and showed an average benchpress of 1x bodyweight, so for him (49kgs) on average should be able to bench 49kgs, if he was athletically trained. which he is basically already at currently

Squat and Bench Press Force-Velocity Profiling in Male and Female Adolescent Rugby Players - PubMed

Alonso-Aubin, DA, Chulvi-Medrano, I, Cortell-Tormo, JM, Picón-Martínez, M, Rial-Rebullido, T, and Faigenbaum, AD. Squat and bench press force-velocity profiling in male and female adolescent rugby players. J Strength Cond Res 35(2S): S44-S50, 2021-Power development is critical for enhancing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this study was in trained rugby players, where the average benchpress was also 1x bodyweight, as the average player weight 59kg and the average benchpress was 60kg

and these were 15 year olds.

Factors associated with muscle strength in 10-16-year-old trained male children and adolescents - PubMed

The results indicate that anthropometrical factors, rather than biological maturity, are associated with muscular strength in trained male children and adolescents. Our findings suggest that handgrip strength may be a quick and effective screening tool for assessing total muscle strength in youth.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and this also shows 1x bodyweight benchpress being the average

debunk this, high iq man !

 

[joebart101]

peds, which everybody should.

nga go take dihexa you clearly need it telling a 14 year old to go on peds

here are some studies, which quite literally fully disprove your point.

Average Bench Strength For 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 Year Olds | PowerliftingTechnique.com

Knowing how your bench press compares to others at your age and weight is great motivation to improve.

powerliftingtechnique.com

this was performed on trained teens, and showed an average benchpress of 1x bodyweight, so for him (49kgs) on average should be able to bench 49kgs, if he was athletically trained. which he is basically already at currently

Squat and Bench Press Force-Velocity Profiling in Male and Female Adolescent Rugby Players - PubMed

Alonso-Aubin, DA, Chulvi-Medrano, I, Cortell-Tormo, JM, Picón-Martínez, M, Rial-Rebullido, T, and Faigenbaum, AD. Squat and bench press force-velocity profiling in male and female adolescent rugby players. J Strength Cond Res 35(2S): S44-S50, 2021-Power development is critical for enhancing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this study was in trained rugby players, where the average benchpress was also 1x bodyweight, as the average player weight 59kg and the average benchpress was 60kg

and these were 15 year olds.

Factors associated with muscle strength in 10-16-year-old trained male children and adolescents - PubMed

The results indicate that anthropometrical factors, rather than biological maturity, are associated with muscular strength in trained male children and adolescents. Our findings suggest that handgrip strength may be a quick and effective screening tool for assessing total muscle strength in youth.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and this also shows 1x bodyweight benchpress being the average

debunk this, high iq man !

i think for a skinny guy im doing alr i just need to start eating good and train heavy not ego lifting and then im good

 

[rotation]

nga go take dihexa you clearly need it telling a 14 year old to go on peds

i think for a skinny guy im doing alr i just need to start eating good and train heavy not ego lifting and then im good

you are doing fine, dont listen to this guy

he does not understand what he is talking about

you are good, let me know if you need any help with anything.

 

[abat]

none of these "fully disprove my point." out of 90 15 years olds, given no context, they averaged 1x their bodyweight... great! this doesnt change anything, infact, you just proved my point. a 45kg bench is below average if just considering weight, and is average if considering it. this proves my point that 45kg is an easy weight. thank you.

here are some studies, which quite literally fully disprove your point.

Average Bench Strength For 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 Year Olds | PowerliftingTechnique.com

Knowing how your bench press compares to others at your age and weight is great motivation to improve.

powerliftingtechnique.com

this was performed on trained teens, and showed an average benchpress of 1x bodyweight, so for him (49kgs) on average should be able to bench 49kgs, if he was athletically trained. which he is basically already at currently

Squat and Bench Press Force-Velocity Profiling in Male and Female Adolescent Rugby Players - PubMed

Alonso-Aubin, DA, Chulvi-Medrano, I, Cortell-Tormo, JM, Picón-Martínez, M, Rial-Rebullido, T, and Faigenbaum, AD. Squat and bench press force-velocity profiling in male and female adolescent rugby players. J Strength Cond Res 35(2S): S44-S50, 2021-Power development is critical for enhancing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this study was in trained rugby players, where the average benchpress was also 1x bodyweight, as the average player weight 59kg and the average benchpress was 60kg

and these were 15 year olds.

Factors associated with muscle strength in 10-16-year-old trained male children and adolescents - PubMed

The results indicate that anthropometrical factors, rather than biological maturity, are associated with muscular strength in trained male children and adolescents. Our findings suggest that handgrip strength may be a quick and effective screening tool for assessing total muscle strength in youth.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and this also shows 1x bodyweight benchpress being the average

debunk this, high iq man !

 

[abat]

ignorance is bliss ig bro you proved my point for me, but i guess you iqmog

you are doing fine, dont listen to this guy

he does not understand what he is talking about

you are good, let me know if you need any help with anything.

 

[ihatefoids87]

im 14 49 ks im benchin 45 kgs as of now

Oh hell naw

 

[joebart101]

Oh hell naw

your mentally challanged if u think a 49 kg can lift more then 45 kgs

 

[abat]

you are doing fine, dont listen to this guy

he does not understand what he is talking about

you are good, let me know if you need any help with anything

your mentally challanged if u think a 49 kg can lift more then 45 kgs

youre mentally challenged, stay in school and get off org bro.

 

[rotation]

none of these "fully disprove my point." out of 90 15 years olds, given no context, they averaged 1x their bodyweight... great! this doesnt change anything, infact, you just proved my point. a 45kg bench is below average if just considering weight, and is average if considering it. this proves my point that 45kg is an easy weight. thank you.

I cannot keep replying to you, genuinely the level of retardation is silly

yes, out of 90 15 year olds they averaged their bodyweight

and that does not prove anything, it proves that OP is only just below average (probably would be average, if you took into account that he is new to the gym and has bad form most likely)

and this study was in trained teens

so it proves everything, unless your standard for something being 'easy' is just your own strength?

in which case, that is also stupid

and you just said his bench is average.. so what is the issue?

you went from saying it was horrendous and meant hormonal issues to.. he is average?

so why does he need PEDs now? because he is only average?