Is bone growth strictly hormones/nutrition?

[recessedyn]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

 

[Eltrē]

Ashwagandha

 

[CalmFrog]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

Think of it as if your face was already determined from birth, your mandible/ramus/midface etc were all predetermined from before you could even breath, your genetics are that determining factor, its what you do after your born that alters your pre determined face.

Certain habits and actions alter your facial development, some by a very visible degree and others by a less visible one, (Breathing is a big one, but I think you already know that), the way you chew will affect how symitrcal your face becomes one your fully grown, but that doesn't mean it will play a big role visibly.

These are all circumtancel cases that do indeed affect the way your face gets altered BUT keep in mind no amount of chewing or nose breathing or "thumbpulling (Absolute joke)" will fix pre existing damage caused during your childhood, anything you do after is just preventative for any further damage.

You can manipulate bone growth through devices that apply 24/7 constant force/pressure like marpes, but that isnt what your asking, your asking about manipulating bone growth by just adding some habits to your day. thats cope.

Summery:

Genetics set the limits, environment influences where you land within them, "thumbpulling" or any method like it aren't strong enough to be considered as a environmental factor's

 

[764.]

Both exogenous and endogenous factors influence bone growth.

 

[lahari]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

Live a healthy lifestyle in healthy environments and you'll reach your genetic growth potential.
Nothing else needed

Thumb pulling is mimicking years of pressure your maxilla would have received if you had been a nose breather (stems from health)
Wolff's law is just increasing density. The most you'll get is temporary swelling

 

[Deleted member 351683]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

To answer title yes, and genetics obviously

 

[recessedyn]

Live a healthy lifestyle in healthy environments and you'll reach your genetic growth potential.
Nothing else needed

Thumb pulling is mimicking years of pressure your maxilla would have received if you had been a nose breather (stems from health)
Wolff's law is just increasing density. The most you'll get is temporary swelling

So sutures don't respond to forces at any given age? Only hormones and nutrition result in ossification? Like theoretically thumb pulling at consistently at the age of 8 years old wouldn't do shit. Like is Jordan Wood just full of shit?

 

[recessedyn]

Both exogenous and endogenous factors influence bone growth.

Is there an age limit or maturity level where mechanical loading stops working? Would you argue that chewing and thumbpulling CAN increase osteoblasts activity at the craniofacial sutures?

 

[764.]

Is there an age limit or maturity level where mechanical loading stops working? Would you argue that chewing and thumbpulling CAN increase osteoblasts activity at the craniofacial sutures?

1st Question = No but loses osteogenic response over time

2nd Simply no

 

[recessedyn]

Certain habits and actions alter your facial development, some by a very visible degree and others by a less visible one, (Breathing is a big one, but I think you already know that), the way you chew will affect how symitrcal your face becomes one your fully grown, but that doesn't mean it will play a big role visibly.

These are all circumtancel cases that do indeed affect the way your face gets altered BUT keep in mind no amount of chewing or nose breathing or "thumbpulling (Absolute joke)" will fix pre existing damage caused during your childhood, anything you do after is just preventative for any further damage.

You can manipulate bone growth through devices that apply 24/7 constant force/pressure like marpes, but that isnt what your asking, your asking about manipulating bone growth by just adding some habits to your day. thats cope.

So you argue that mechanical loading in early development DOES have an affect on osteogenesis. Through that argument thumpulling and hard chewing would continue to work into early adult hood, especially since craniofacial sutures don't fully fuse until mid 20s.

 

[recessedyn]

1st Question = No but loses osteogenic response over time

2nd Simply no

I feel retarded thinking about this, but do those two statements not contradict each other?

 

[Marss]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

simple way to look at it is that good habits will allow you to fully reach your genetic potential as you age, if your family has a history of having a bad feature its simple gonna be a gene issue that isnt possible or is difficult to fix , with the exception of hardmaxes of course.

 

[TheOsei]

I feel like a lot of the course sellers including Jewish textbooks lie about the mechanics of osteogenesis. I feel like Wolff's Law is bs and thumb pulling, chewing, mewing, etc. is cope and bones don't remodel through mechanical loading. Have minimal knowledge on this topic would appreciate some input.

hormones are everything tbh

mechanical force isn't entirely cope though but by itself it won't do much of anything

 

[recessedyn]

Ashwagandha

Used to cycle 1200mg/day, shit fucked me up, became apathetic about everything

 

[764.]

I feel retarded thinking about this, but do those two statements not contradict each other?

It seems to me you're discussing 2 different mechanobiological contexts,

Mechanical loading doesn’t just “stop working” at a certain age, it weakens over time; loses efficiency periodically.

That said, craniofacial sutures aren’t the same as regular bone remodeling. In adults, chewing or thumb pulling simply doesn’t create enough force to meaningfully stimulate osteoblast activity or expand sutures as much as orthodontic use could.

 

[recessedyn]

simple way to look at it is that good habits will allow you to fully reach your genetic potential as you age, if your family has a history of having a bad feature its simple gonna be a gene issue that isnt possible or is difficult to fix , with the exception of hardmaxes of course.

So you argue that genetics (dna) is real, and is mostly responsible for facial development, especially your potential. What do you say about the Pottenger's cat studies and the work of Weston A. Price, who prove diet plays a major role in facial development.

 

[Marss]

So you argue that genetics (dna) is real, and is mostly responsible for facial development, especially your potential. What do you say about the Pottenger's cat studies and the work of Weston A. Price, who prove diet plays a major role in facial development.

yes your diet is a part of your habits, sorry if i dident make that clear

 

[recessedyn]

It seems to me you're discussing 2 different mechanobiological contexts,

Mechanical loading doesn’t just “stop working” at a certain age, it weakens over time; loses efficiency periodically.

That said, craniofacial sutures aren’t the same as regular bone remodeling. In adults, chewing or thumb pulling simply doesn’t create enough force to meaningfully stimulate osteoblast activity or expand sutures as much as orthodontic use could.

So what do you think about Jordan Wood? Also I think orthodontics like MARPE are just distraction osteogenesis appliances that don't stimulates the suture but rather split the bone where it is weakest which triggers a healing response similar to a broken arm healing.

 

[764.]

So what do you think about Jordan Wood?

Elaborate as I don't recognize that individual.

 

[recessedyn]

Elaborate as I don't recognize that individual

He is a looksmaxxer who ascended through thumpulling consistently 8-12x/day, 2min+ per session. He expanded his maxilla by 5mm over 10 months from the ages of 18-19, with noticeable mid face widening and zygomatic projection. All of this is well documented on his tiktok and ig. He launched a skool that was half finished however he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth. I suspect he either knows his ascension was frauded and feels bad scamming niggas or he realized his ascension was a result of good hormone signaling through late stages of puberty. Therfore I am starting to question the idea that mechancial loading can have ANY affect what so ever at any age on bone remodeling.

 

[recessedyn]

To answer title yes, and genetics obviously

what are your thoughts on raw meat?