Is Broderick Hunter's chin too short to be ideal?

[volcelfatcel]

Delete this thread.I got mogged in this one

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Barret's zygos are to wide which fucks his fwhr

wdym?he has fwhr of 2.2 which is pretty high

 

[datboijj]

Hey genius, his “hunter eyes“ literally prove my point. They look good because they are strong negroid orbitals, NOT Because they are Caucasoid. UEE has little to do with it because his eyes are not even hooded, and hooded eyes in Africans are not even due to Caucasoid orbitals, they are due to eyelid fat stores on negroid orbitals. This is why black people with hooded eyes like 50 cent do not have a Eurocentric looking eye area at all. His brow ridge also proves my point. His is literally the epitome of the negroid brow ridge, it has the undulating shape resulting in the arched eyebrows, and the glabella is more prominent than the brow ridge itself.

Explain these orbitals

@africancel

 

[Deleted member 5656]

Explain these orbitals
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Second guy and third guy have the same prototypical negroid brow bone shape I was describing, first and last guy have somewhat of a more pseudo caucasoid brow ridge. And these pics prove my point very well, the second guy looks by far the best, third guy in the middle Looks wise and the 1st and last guy are the ugliest. Especially comparing them to someone with the ideal negroid eye area like Broderick hunter proves my point perfectly. Broderick hunter’s eye area is more attractive than the guys with the more Caucasian looking brows

 

[datboijj]

Second guy and third guy have the same prototypical negroid brow bone shape I was describing, first and last guy have somewhat of a more pseudo caucasoid brow ridge. And these pics prove my point very well, the second guy looks by far the best, third guy in the middle Looks wise and the 1st and last guy are the ugliest. Especially comparing them to someone with the ideal negroid eye area like Broderick hunter proves my point perfectly. Broderick hunter’s eye area is more attractive than the guys with the more Caucasian looking brows

I meant explain the black can only be hooded with fat pads
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hooded eyes in Africans are not even due to Caucasoid orbitals, they are due to eyelid fat stores on negroid orbitals.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Explain these orbitals
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Not all blacks groups/ethnicities have the same bone structure, these groups are atypical and have a different bone structure from a typical West African (which is the default phenotypic black we think of).

look at the phenotypic difference between an averaged african american face (which is what I'm assuming you are) and a maasai face (what most of the people you posted have)

 

[volcelfatcel]

Not all blacks groups/ethnicities have the same bone structure, these groups are atypical and have a different bone structure from a typical West African (which is the default phenotypic black we think of).

look at the phenotypic difference between an averaged african american face (which is what I'm assuming you are) and a maasai face (what most of the people you posted have)

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Fuark that 2nd pheno looks Chad as fuck ngl in comparison to American.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Fuark that 2nd pheno looks Chad as fuck ngl in comparison to American.

that's the pheno of the nigga in my sig

 

[volcelfatcel]

that's the pheno of the nigga in my sig

African chads look dimorphic af ngl. Ngannou is a good example of chad tyrone, can also be extremely tall and strong

 

[Deleted member 6273]

African chads look dimorphic af ngl. Ngannou is a good example of chad tyrone

He's not tyrone tbh but he's very masc

 

[volcelfatcel]

He's not tyrone tbh but he's very masc

Status could get him to tyrone but honestly blacks seem to be the most masc and end up getting respect from men. Gymmaxed 6'2 tyrone dimorphic as fuck.

 

[Deleted member 5656]

I meant explain the black can only be hooded with fat pads
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I was speaking generally. When interacting with people it should be assumed that propositions are general and not that they’re implying it’s the case literally 100% of the time. There are exceptions to every rule, so unless someone explicitly states that something is the case literally 100% of the time or that the alternative is literally Impossible it shouldnt be assumed that it was their proposition. You were arguing against an implication that I was not making. I didn’t say it’s literally impossible for blacks to have a brow ridge similar to caucasoids, I meant that it’s generally not the case. Just like if I said asians don’t have uee, that wouldn’t mean that it’s literally impossible, just that it usually doesn’t happen.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Status could get him to tyrone but honestly blacks seem to be the most masc and end up getting respect from men. Gymmaxed 6'2 tyrone dimorphic as fuck.

He's a west african (Cameroon I beleive) black that's the region where slaves who went to the US came from so they are very similar to american blacks, horn african and south african blacks are less dimorphic

 

[datboijj]

I was speaking generally. When interacting with people it should be assumed that propositions are general and not that they’re implying it’s the case literally 100% of the time. There are exceptions to every rule, so unless someone explicitly states that something is the case literally 100% of the time or that the alternative is literally Impossible it shouldnt be assumed that it was their proposition. You were arguing against an implication that I was not making. I didn’t say it’s literally impossible for blacks to have a brow ridge similar to caucasoids, I meant that it’s generally not the case. Just like if I said asians don’t have uee, that wouldn’t mean that it’s literally impossible, just that it usually doesn’t happen.

This is exactly what im talking about
My goal is to transcend every one of these.
Because from my own research no adult is actually fully developed...... NOT EVEN CLOSE!
NO matter what race they are
I'm gonna be tho

 

[Deleted member 5656]

This is exactly what im talking about
My goal is to transcend every one of these.
Because from my own research no adult is actually fully developed
NO matter what race they are
I'm gonna be tho

Well that’s broscience, some people are fully developed To their genetic potential, especially people living the natural human lifestyle. Just because they don’t fit your standard doesn’t mean they’re not fully developed. back to square one, just like I said several responses earlier if you “transcend” every one of these you will be much uglier than someone like Broderick hunter. You have a NEGROID skull, caucasoid brow ridges on your NEGROID skull will look extremely disproportionate. This “transcending” would never look good because not only can you not get a white person’s hair and coloring, but even if you frauded that, you would still look awful because most importantly you would NEVER be able to get a caucasoid SKULL.

Vanilla chamu whitemaxxed yet she still gets brutally fogged by beautiful asian women that actually look asian because her Mongoloid SKULL will never suit completely caucasoid morphology.

Pre surgery this girl was MUCH uglier than vanilla pre surgery, but post surgery she is MUCH more beautiful than vanilla post surgery because she ascended to an ideal version of her OWN RACE. She got features that suited her Mongoloid SKULL.

 

[datboijj]

Well that’s broscience, some people are fully developed To their genetic potential, especially people living the natural human lifestyle. Just because they don’t fit your standard doesn’t mean they’re not fully developed. back to square one, just like I said several responses earlier if you “transcend” every one of these you will be much uglier than someone like Broderick hunter. You have a NEGROID skull, caucasoid brow ridges on your NEGROID skull will look extremely disproportionate. This “transcending” would never look good because not only can you not get a white person’s hair and coloring, but even if you frauded that, you would still look awful because most importantly you would NEVER be able to get a caucasoid SKULL.

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Vanilla chamu whitemaxxed yet she still gets brutally fogged by beautiful asian women that actually look asian because her Mongoloid SKULL will never suit completely caucasoid morphology.
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Pre surgery this girl was MUCH uglier than vanilla pre surgery, but post surgery she is MUCH more beautiful than vanilla post surgery because she ascended to an ideal version of her OWN RACE. She got features that suited her Mongoloid SKULL.

Just the fact that adult humans (because kids can do it) cant drink and swallow at the same time
is more than enough to show we are underdeveloped
Scientists cope with "MUH SPEECH"
But it's because we are severely recessed compared to babies
I saw this by myself when I checked my niece's hyoid
and saw that it was located all the way at the end of the jaw
instead of a third of the jaw which even the most forward grown adult has it located

Why can’t humans breathe and swallow simultaneously? - FlipScience - Top Philippine science news and features for the inquisitive Filipino.

It's said that humans are the only mammals that can't breathe and swallow simultaneously. Learn the science behind it to make this easier to swallow.

www.flipscience.ph

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

You are NOT supposed to have features of another race and that’s a fact.

 

[Deleted member 5656]

Just the fact that adult humans (because kids can do it) cant drink and swallow at the same time
is more than enough to show we are underdeveloped
Scientists cope with "MUH SPEECH"
But it's because we are severely recessed compared to babies
I saw this by myself when I checked my niece's hyoid
and saw that it was located all the way at the end of the jaw
instead of a third of the jaw which even the most forward grown adult has it located

Why can’t humans breathe and swallow simultaneously? - FlipScience - Top Philippine science news and features for the inquisitive Filipino.

It's said that humans are the only mammals that can't breathe and swallow simultaneously. Learn the science behind it to make this easier to swallow.

www.flipscience.ph

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Well if you are talking about people who are downward grown/recessed then yes they are underdeveloped. But if you are trying to say that people at their full genetic potential of craniofacial development aren’t fully developed then you’re delusional. Full development = fully manifested genetic potential, end of story.

 

[datboijj]

Well if you are talking about people who are downward grown/recessed then yes they are underdeveloped. But if you are trying to say that people at their full genetic potential of craniofacial development aren’t fully developed then you’re delusional. Full development = fully manifested genetic potential, end of story.

If you have to hold your breathe to swallow (which all adults do)
Then you are underdeveloped
End of story

 

[Alexanderr]

pics

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thoughts on if he would look better with a taller/longer chin?

Yes, it’s shorter than ideal. Probably his most obvious failo, besides lips.

 

[Alexanderr]

Transcending everything doesn’t mean you can transcend race. You call people “jokers” yet you’re deluding yourself into thinking that “Transcending” means completely destroying your racial traits. I am telling you that even if you could do that you would look like shit. If you were given the exact nasal and alveolar structure of a white person, you would be much uglier in those areas than the guy in my avi because YOU ARE BLACK. You are NOT supposed to have features of another race and that’s a fact. Mathematical averageness combined with strong bones, clear skin and good coloring is what makes an attractive face, and I am telling you that your idea of “transcending” would completely destroy the mathematical averageness of your face.

Said it better than I ever could.

 

[ProAcktiv]

wdym?he has fwhr of 2.2 which is pretty high

i mean his face is too wide

The general point being driven is averageness and it's importance in attractiveness. If you or your features deviate far away from an averaged look of your phenotype, your physical appearance looks worse. It holds true in multiple studies and is a universal quality of attractiveness and for good reason too.

I'm writing a longer response @africancel, but I would like to know that you meant by "and for good reason too" and also what you think about this girl. She for sure deviates far away from the averaged look of her phenotype no?

 

[Deleted member 5656]

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Exactly my point. She morphed/rhinoplasty’d her nose Even narrower than a white person‘s, it just looks outright uncanny combined with the negroid flatness and shortness of her underlying nasal structure.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

i mean his face is too wide


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I'm writing a longer response @africancel, but I would like to know that you meant by "and for good reason too" and also what you think about this girl. She for sure deviates far away from the averaged look of her phenotype no?

Averageness is a signal of health and genetic fitness, when people deviate too far from average phenotypic qualities of their race it usually a signal of illness or just bad genetics.

 

[Deleted member 5656]

If you have to hold your breathe to swallow (which all adults do)
Then you are underdeveloped
End of story

This is just broscience, your defintion of “underdeveloped” is retarded. Being fully developed means that one has fully developed to ones genetic potential. It doesn’t mean being able to do something that’s literally biologically impossible. Humans are physically tangible, we are bound to the laws of physics and the laws of nature and our biology. This is like saying adults aren’t fully developed because they can’t grow as fast as a child lol.

 

[datboijj]

This is just broscience, your defintion of “underdeveloped” is retarded. Being fully developed means that one has fully developed to ones genetic potential. It doesn’t mean being able to do something that’s literally biologically impossible. Humans are physically tangible, we are bound to the laws of physics and the laws of nature and our biology. This is like saying adults aren’t fully developed because they can’t grow as fast as a child lol.

Don't worry I'll show you what a fully developed human looks like soon enough

 

[ProAcktiv]

Averageness is a signal of health and genetic fitness, when people deviate too far from average phenotypic qualities of their race it usually a signal of illness or just bad genetics.

what do you think about the girl....

and when you say averageness, you mean proximity to a composite face, right?

 

[Deleted member 6273]

i mean his face is too wide


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I'm writing a longer response @africancel, but I would like to know that you meant by "and for good reason too" and also what you think about this girl. She for sure deviates far away from the averaged look of her phenotype no?

lola achuli right? She looks off to me but has a unique look that people like these days (mostly due to the smooth, probably filtered, vantablack dark skin), without it she loses most of her appeal.

You don't necessarily need high averageness to be attractive like any other feature or quality, but it's very unlikely for people who are low in averageness (features and ratios) to be attractive

 

[Deleted member 6273]

and when you say averageness, you mean proximity to a composite face, right?

yeah generally speaking

edit: But also in terms of ratios and proportions of the face

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

Exactly my point. She morphed/rhinoplasty’d her nose Even narrower than a white person‘s, it just looks outright uncanny combined with the negroid flatness and shortness of her underlying nasal structure.

she looks striking and attractive imo, and are you sure she isn't just born like that?

 

[Deleted member 5656]

Don't worry I'll show you what a fully developed human looks like soon enough

full development (me on the top, you on the bottom)

 

[Deleted member 6273]

she looks striking and attractive imo, and are you sure she isn't just born like that?

Obviously not it's mostly make and filters maybe photoshop, she's south Sudanese I believe so the dark skin is authentic, the rest especially eye color and maybe nose isn't, bone structure is very nilotid imo same with the lips

 

[Deleted member 5656]

she looks striking and attractive imo, and are you sure she isn't just born like that?

I’m 100% positive. Literally all of these people who are known exclusively for social media pics and never any irl work or candids or even videos, all these people are the result of plastic surgery and morphing. They have the same bddcel mindset as dudes on forums like these, so they get surgery (often going overboard) but of course that’s never enough for them so they heavily morph their pictures to the point where it doesn’t even look human and looks completely different from how their already heavily altered appearance is irl. This is why Toni Mahfud looks completely different irl than on social media even after his lookmaxing. Hell, even real models like Jordan Barrett morph their pics.

 

[zeke714]

yeah generally speaking

edit: But also in terms of ratios and proportions of the face

Universal beauty standard will always be symmetry.

I’m 100% positive. Literally all of these people who are known exclusively for social media pics and never any irl work or candids or even videos, all these people are the result of plastic surgery and morphing. They have the same bddcel mindset as dudes on forums like these, so they get surgery (often going overboard) but of course that’s never enough for them so they heavily morph their pictures to the point where it doesn’t even look human and looks completely different from how their already heavily altered appearance is irl. This is why Toni Mahfud looks completely different irl than on social media even after his lookmaxing. Hell, even real models like Jordan Barrett morph their pics.

Hence why I won't go overboard with surgery. One of the first threads I made was just that. I believe too many surgeries can fuck up your harmony and turn you into a plastic ken doll. Why is it that rhinoplasty seems so unnatural? I've seen before and after pics, most of it is uncanny. I'm thinking of getting one but now I'm not too sure...

 

[Deleted member 6273]

Universal beauty standard will always be symmetry.


Hence why I won't go overboard with surgery. One of the first threads I made was just that. I believe too many surgeries can fuck up your harmony and turn you into a plastic ken doll. Why is it that rhinoplasty seems so unnatural? I've seen before and after pics, most of it is uncanny. I'm thinking of getting one but now I'm not too sure...

There's a big difference between symmetry and averageness

 

[Deleted member 5656]

Universal beauty standard will always be symmetry.


Hence why I won't go overboard with surgery. One of the first threads I made was just that. I believe too many surgeries can fuck up your harmony and turn you into a plastic ken doll. Why is it that rhinoplasty seems so unnatural? I've seen before and after pics, most of it is uncanny. I'm thinking of getting one but now I'm not too sure...

It’s uncanny because it’s always one of the places people’s bdd hones in on, so they request that the surgeon make extreme alterations and the surgeon obliges because it’s not risky. When people have common sense and just fix the flaws of their nose and make it proportional instead of trying to turn it into a completely different nose, the results are great.

When actually done correctly, turning the nose into its most well proportioned version for the persons face, a rhinoplasty is literally the best plastic surgery because not only is it very low risk, basically no side effects and recovery is a cakewalk, but most importantly because almost everyone can improve from it because even the best looking people almost never have perfectly proportioned noses naturally. When it comes to imperfect people, whether it be very attractive people with few imperfections, normie tier people, or ugly people, one of the few common denominators is that many of them will have a nose that is just a bit “off”, whether it be too wide, too thick, too bulbous etc

 

[ProAcktiv]

high averageness to be attractive like any other feature or quality,

i don't understand this to be honest? Averageness is not the same as any other feature or quality. A feature is a nose, eyes, or lips.

Averageness takes into account all these components of the face, so I don't think it makes sense to treat it as any other feature or quality.

lola achuli right? She looks off to me but has a unique look that people like these days (mostly due to the smooth, probably filtered, vantablack dark skin), without it she loses most of her appeal.

Why do you think people find her attractive if she looks different from an averaged face of her phenotype? Just the skin?

If so, do you think a woman would be considered more attractive if she had lola's exact same skin color, but with features closer to the averaged face of her phenotype?

edit: But also in terms of ratios and proportions of the face

I don't think those are the same things tbh. Can you elab on this?


There are multiple problems that I see with the averageness hypothesis and I might write a thread in response, just trying to understand your view before I do so.

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

If you have to hold your breathe to swallow (which all adults do)
Then you are underdeveloped
End of story

cope, I know an adult girl who can breathe and swallow
natural mewer tho

 

[TheEndHasNoEnd]

@datboijj nvm she can't

 

[Deleted member 6273]

i don't understand this to be honest? Averageness is not the same as any other feature or quality. A feature is a nose, eyes, or lips.
Averageness takes into account all these components of the face, so I don't think it makes sense to treat it as any other feature or quality.

Averageness is basically a measure of how far an individuals feature, ratios and proportions deviate from the mean, symmetry also encompasses multiple features but you don't necessarily require symmetry to be attractive, though it's a common trait among attractive people

Why do you think people find her attractive if she looks different from an averaged face of her phenotype? Just the skin?

Her bonestrucure and overall facial structure isn't very far off the norm, I can find multiple south Sudanese women with her bone structure Her soft features particularly lips and nose are the ones which deviate greatly from the mean.

People think she looks attractive cause she looks unique and striking (skin mostly) while not looking strange (ratios of her face are closer to the average so she doesn't look strange)

If so, do you think a woman would be considered more attractive if she had lola's exact same skin color, but with features closer to the averaged face of her phenotype?

Probably not she would still be attractive but loses the striking quality.

I don't think those are the same things tbh. Can you elab on this?
There are multiple problems that I see with the averageness hypothesis and I might write a thread in response, just trying to understand your view before I do so.

Well your phenotype also dictates the ratios and size of features of your face blacks have wider ipd and it looks natural seeing someone with a narrower ipd than average will look off, pfl, es ratio, along with midface ratio fwhr and so on.

 

[TheLastABCcel]

The general point being driven is averageness and it's importance in attractiveness. If you or your features deviate far away from an averaged look of your phenotype, your physical appearance looks worse. It holds true in multiple studies and is a universal quality of attractiveness and for good reason too.

I usually agree with you but sounds like made up shyt tbh

 

[Deleted member 5973]

I usually agree with you but sounds like made up shyt tbh

he didn't get it completely right.

you need averageness + a few standout features that deviate from the average in a "good way",
from my observation average ratios, an average nose and mouth area combined with an an above average eye area and mandible seems to be ideal

 

[TheLastABCcel]

he didn't get it completely right.

you need averageness + a few standout features that deviate from the average in a "good way",
from my observation average ratios, an average nose and mouth area combined with an an above average eye area and mandible seems to be ideal

"Averageness" is a correlative. The reason averageness is better than typical is because the more faces averaged the better the ratios get. Attractiveness seems to be some proper mixture of face shape, equivalent 3rds, and good ratios on your features (eye size, ipd, nose size, mouth to chin, etc.), as well healthy skin. I think sometimes we get caught up in the thinking of WHAT is good rather than WHY is it good. Why is this in the eye area good? Why is this combination of chin or zygos good? We're sort of missing the broader picture. Thats why I don't buy his phenotype argument. A phenotype doesn't exist in the void its just common features groups of people have because they are more related. If you have something different it isn't bad, just atypical. Usually this a plus because as long as it fits with the general criteria of being attractive its seen as exotic. Averageness is basically a byproduct of an incomplete theory. Like Newtonian physics to general relativity to quantum mechanics to quantum gravity. Thats why when dudes are here they cant seem to find out why someone goes against the PSL scale but is still seen as attractive. The scale breaks down into some paradoxical singularity because they don't have a complete picture.

 

[Alexanderr]

"Averageness" is a correlative. The reason averageness is better than typical is because the more faces averaged the better the ratios get. Attractiveness seems to be some proper mixture of face shape, equivalent 3rds, and good ratios on your features (eye size, ipd, nose size, mouth to chin, etc.), as well healthy skin. I think sometimes we get caught up in the thinking of WHAT is good rather than WHY is it good. Why is this in the eye area good? Why is this combination of chin or zygos good? We're sort of missing the broader picture. Thats why I don't buy his phenotype argument. A phenotype doesn't exist in the void its just common features groups of people have because they are more related. If you have something different it isn't bad, just atypical. Usually this a plus because as long as it fits with the general criteria of being attractive its seen as exotic. Averageness is basically a byproduct of an incomplete theory. Like Newtonian physics to general relativity to quantum mechanics to quantum gravity. Thats why when dudes are here they cant seem to find out why someone goes against the PSL scale but is still seen as attractive. The scale breaks down into some paradoxical singularity because they don't have a complete picture.

I didn’t understand half of it but you sound smart.

 

[Deleted member 6273]

"Averageness" is a correlative. The reason averageness is better than typical is because the more faces averaged the better the ratios get

Yes that was a key part of my arguement, I already said that. The question is are ideal ratios universal (exact same ratios provide the best look for every single group) or are they relative to other facial features and skull morphology (which is determined by ethnicity). I think the later is more accurate.

Thats why I don't buy his phenotype argument. A phenotype doesn't exist in the void its just common features groups of people have because they are more related. If you have something different it isn't bad, just atypical.

A feature deviating from the norm isn't necessarily negative but more often than not is. Having atypical features (especially ones deviating far from average) more often than not is a sign of improper development, a random genetic mutation or illness of which most of the time these qualities are symbolic of genetic unfitness.

 

[Deleted member 9670]

He has proganthism and maxillary protrusion ofc. Most blacks have bad chins anyway

do i have proganthism?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

do i have proganthism?

I have a mildly proganthic mouth you don't

 

[Deleted member 9670]

I have a mildly proganthic mouth you don't

i thought only black people had it

 

[Jason Voorhees]

i thought only black people had it

No curries,asians and even whites can have it too.