Is CRISPR-style gene editing better or worse than selective breeding?

[imontheloose]

I see selective breeding as honourable because it aligns with nature's rhythms. It's slow, disciplined, generational. CRISPR, whilst powerful, risks hubris. It would likely produce unnatural distortions if not guided by racial or civilisational principles. Gene editing is a tool, whether it uplifts or corrupts depends entirely on who controls it and what values they embed in said code.

Without racial soul, genetic engineering becomes just another tool of globalist subhumans. Real regeneration doesn't come from rewriting the code, it comes from mastering the blood. Nature doesn't forgive arrogance, nor will history.

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@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon @Xangsane

 

[neurosis]

on paper gene editing sounds cool but itll inevitably be used by the elite to create a master goyim slave underclass who'd be genetically predisposed to being happy whilst owning absolutely nothing

 

[Snicket]

on paper gene editing sounds cool but itll inevitably be used by the elite to create a master goyim slave underclass who'd be genetically predisposed to being happy whilst owning absolutely nothing

Do you not support the fourth industrial revolution?

 

[imontheloose]

on paper gene editing sounds cool but itll inevitably be used by the elite to create a master goyim slave underclass who'd be genetically predisposed to being happy whilst owning absolutely nothing

That's why I think the tool itself isn't the problem, rather the hands that hold it.

 

[imontheloose]

@Snicket @Jonas2k7 @Lonenely sigma @PsychoH @not__cel what do you think?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I'm not sure selective breeding is really that "natural" either still human picking the outcomes just over generations instead of in a lab.

CRISPR is a tool, like anything else and the tool itself isn't bad but the niggas that use it reand for what purpose.Saying we shouldn't use it unless it's guided by race or civilization is flawed. Power always needs checks not just identity.

Also nature isn't always kind or fair. Disease suffering and genetic disorders aren't sacred just because they're "natural." If we have the ability to reduce suffering and improve life maybe the real problem is how we do it, not if we do it.

 

[neurosis]

rather the hands that hold it.

all humans hands will be corrupted by power, it'll be impossible to create an 'ethical' crispr gene editing eugenics program

 

[imontheloose]

I'm not sure selective breeding is really that "natural" either still human picking the outcomes just over generations instead of in a lab.

CRISPR is a tool, like anything else and the tool itself isn't bad but the niggas that use it reand for what purpose.Saying we shouldn't use it unless it's guided by race or civilization is flawed. Power always needs checks not just identity.

Also nature isn't always kind or fair. Disease suffering and genetic disorders aren't sacred just because they're "natural." If we have the ability to reduce suffering and improve life maybe the real problem is how we do it, not if we do it.

Yes, both selective breeding and gene editing involve human choice, but only one aligns with the slow, proven rhythm of nature. CRISPR allows sudden, unchecked change. And that's the danger. Not because technology is evil, but because the modern man is spiritually unfit to wield it.

You say power needs checks, but what greater check is there than blood, heritage, and destiny? Liberal ethics won't restrain biotech abuse. Only a civilisation rooted in racial continuity and eternal values can.

And no, suffering isn't sacred. But struggle is. Weakness isn't a gift, but overcoming it is the source of all greatness. When you remove all challenge, you create cattle. CRISPR might ease pain, but it if it erases soul, it's worse than the disease it cures.

 

[imontheloose]

all humans hands will be corrupted by power, it'll be impossible to create an 'ethical' crispr gene editing eugenics program

Would you argue a flawed eugenics program is preferable to none?

 

[neurosis]

Do you not support the fourth industrial revolution?

no, i do. if they created a genetically engineered super soldier class itd be based tho

 

[not__cel]

@Snicket @Jonas2k7 @Lonenely sigma @PsychoH @not__cel what do you think?

It’s the new frontier, I wouldn’t say it’s better or worse, it all depends on where it goes but it definitely will help with illnesses

 

[not__cel]

no, i do. if they created a genetically engineered super soldier class itd be based tho

Genetically making us all intelligent would be the best thing that could come from this, world issues could be resolved, the traits would pass down generations, based

 

[imontheloose]

It’s the new frontier, I wouldn’t say it’s better or worse, it all depends on where it goes but it definitely will help with illnesses

If it starts with curing illness, what stops it from becoming a tool for controlling traits like personality, obedience, or even intelligence, and who decides where that line is?

 

[neurosis]

Would you argue a flawed eugenics program is preferable to none?

no. source: 20th century, humans are too retarded to play god on themselves. better to create AGI (artificial general intelligence) and outsource gene editing, eugenics and reproduction to a form of higher intelligence

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yes, both selective breeding and gene editing involve human choice, but only one aligns with the slow, proven rhythm of nature. CRISPR allows sudden, unchecked change. And that's the danger. Not because technology is evil, but because the modern man is spiritually unfit to wield it.

You say power needs checks, but what greater check is there than blood, heritage, and destiny? Liberal ethics won't restrain biotech abuse. Only a civilisation rooted in racial continuity and eternal values can.

And no, suffering isn't sacred. But struggle is. Weakness isn't a gift, but overcoming it is the source of all greatness. When you remove all challenge, you create cattle. CRISPR might ease pain, but it if it erases soul, it's worse than the disease it cures.

I get that you see CRISPR as dangerous because of how fast and powerful it is but the idea that only a specific bloodline or heritage can handle that power sounds less like a safeguard and more like a fantasy. Plenty of people from all backgrounds have shown wisdom or corruption. Destiny isn't in the blood. It's in the choices we make.

You say modern man is spiritually unfit. Maybe that js true in a lot of cases but who decides who is “fit”? You’re putting trust in some idealized civilization that doesn’t exist anymore if it ever really did. If anything, CRISPR could be one of the few chances to recover a sense of purpose if it’s used with care.

And about struggle sure But struggle isn’t sacred because it hurts. It’s sacred when it leads to growth. If we can ease pointless suffering while still preserving challenge creativity, and ambition, why wouldn’t we? Soul isn’t erased by comfort it’s erased by forgetting why we live in the first place.

 

[not__cel]

If it starts with curing illness, what stops it from becoming a tool for controlling traits like personality, obedience, or even intelligence, and who decides where that line is?

Why is that a line that shouldn’t be crossed? Obedience also isnt genetic

Intellect is genetic the same way a computer can be bigger or smaller

Realistically personality traits cannot be controlled unless hormones were effected, which would impact reaction but not enough to decide how someone reacts

The line would be making someone feel pain 24/7 or impacting them negatively

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

It’s better

The only thing in life that matters are results

No one cares how you got where you are, if you’re homeless and you say “it is because I had all my money stolen from me!”

You’re still a homeless bum and people will look down on you

If you’re rich no one cares abt what underhanded things you did. Ur there is what’s matters

This is why I always find it funny that people complain about of girls making millions, who cares how they did it they made it. If I could make millions with no work I’d do the same

The process doesn’t matter only results

 

[KT-34]

Obviously better, you can not select the genes but also add or remove any you want

It's crazy what they did with it, I remember an experiment where they removed a gene that helps limit cell growth, the mice could regrow limps but they all developed cancer


It's the future but it has to be user very carefully, remember that we have 2% dna difference with mices, one gene switched on or off will fuck you up

 

[imontheloose]

I get that you see CRISPR as dangerous because of how fast and powerful it is but the idea that only a specific bloodline or heritage can handle that power sounds less like a safeguard and more like a fantasy. Plenty of people from all backgrounds have shown wisdom or corruption. Destiny isn't in the blood. It's in the choices we make.

Yes, individuals make choices, but those choices are shaped by instincts, intelligence, and temperament, all of which are rooted in biology primarily, I'd argue. Destiny isn't in the blood alone, but blood is the soil. Without it, the tree cannot grow, no matter how noble its intentions.

You say modern man is spiritually unfit. Maybe that js true in a lot of cases but who decides who’s “fit”? You’re putting trust in some idealized civilization that doesn’t exist anymore if it ever really did. If anything, CRISPR could be one of the few chances to recover a sense of purpose if it’s used with care and values.

That's exactly the point, not everyone can decide. The fantasy isn't believing a civilisation can make those calls, rather thinking everyone can or at least should. Egalitarian ethics let decay wear the mask of progress.

And about struggle yeah, it's essential. But struggle isn’t sacred because it hurts. It’s sacred when it leads to growth. If we can ease pointless suffering while still preserving challenge, love, creativity, and ambition, why wouldn’t we? Soul isn’t erased by comfort it’s erased by forgetting why we live in the first place.

If CRISPR is used to remove all struggle, to engineer constant satisfaction or emotional compliance, then the very conditions that create ambition, beauty, and willpower, vanish. You say comfort doesn't erase the soul, I say the wrong comfort does, in better wording from my earlier statement.

CRISPR could be redemptive, I totally get that, but only if guided by a civilisation rooted in strength, not sentiment. In the hands of globalists or technocrats without spirit, it becomes the tool of final degeneration.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I see selective breeding as honourable

Honor is a meme

What’s honorable changes every few seconds

Even the sense of what’s honorable can change in the exact same period just based on where you are.

The objective reality will never change, it is there and not made up by your mind

 

[Lonenely sigma]

@Snicket @Jonas2k7 @Lonenely sigma @PsychoH @not__cel what do you think?

I don't see the morality being ruined either way. Whatever brings us closer to being all equal I see as a something positive.

Imo, the best way would be to take 2 good looking parents and ask men to donate their sperm cells and women to donate their eggs.

Then, using gene editing, those already good looking genes are going to be modified to get rid of any potential diseases, diopter issues, anger issues etc etc etc...

Then, using aritifical wombs the state is going to allow such parents to have like 20 kids each, and those kids can then be brought up by the state somewhere in nature, given right education, healthy food, normal upbringing etc.

 

[imontheloose]

Why is that a line that shouldn’t be crossed? Obedience also isnt genetic

Intellect is genetic the same way a computer can be bigger or smaller

Realistically personality traits cannot be controlled unless hormones were effected, which would impact reaction but not enough to decide how someone reacts

The line would be making someone feel pain 24/7 or impacting them negatively

Obedience isn't a single gene, and personality isn't easily programmable, true, I accept that. But that's not my point. You don't need to program perfect obedience. You just need to nudge people toward emotional compliance: lower aggression, increase agreeableness, shorten attention span, dampen critical thinking, all things we know can be influenced hormonally and neurologically.

The real risk isn't overt harm like making you and I suffer 24/7, it's creating a society full of people who don't know they're being softened. People who are technically "free" but biologically shaped to avoid resistance, accept comfort, and never question the frame around them.

It's a subtle form of genetic conditioning that wouldn't even feel evil to most, and that's what makes it so dangerous.

CRISPR wouldn't even need to break people to control them, it just needs to quietly tilt the baseline.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Then, using gene editing, those already good looking genes are going to be modified to get rid of any potential diseases, diopter issues, anger issues etc etc etc...

Gene editing could be one of the greatest things for humanity

It’s more ethical

You could achieve eugenics without having to kill or take away someone’s freedoms

It’s more effective

You can literally target specifically which genes you do and dont want

The only down side is many people have an aversion to it

Humans always attach themselves to the past, societies and people who can’t look to the future are left behind

The societies which embrace gene editing will be so far ahead that either the others will have to start to or they will be destroyed

 

[new psl]

I ve heard some shekh made a girl with highest quality gene just to fuck and have kids with

 

[imontheloose]

It’s better

The only thing in life that matters are results

No one cares how you got where you are, if you’re homeless and you say “it is because I had all my money stolen from me!”

You’re still a homeless bum and people will look down on you

If you’re rich no one cares abt what underhanded things you did. Ur there is what’s matters

This is why I always find it funny that people complain about of girls making millions, who cares how they did it they made it. If I could make millions with no work I’d do the same

The process doesn’t matter only results

You're absolutely right about one thing here in my eyes: results matter. But I think this is thinking too small: chasing wealth, comfort, or attention. I don't agree with measuring things in the pound or followers, rather legacy, race, survival, and the strength of the people.

Honor is a meme

What’s honorable changes every few seconds

Even the sense of what’s honorable can change in the exact same period just based on what you are.

The objective reality will never change, it is there and not made up by your mind

I don't think honour is a meme. It's the code by which strong civilisations survive. Without it, you don't get greatness, you get (((parasites))), let's say, winning in a sick system. When you imply, "the ends justify the means", you're just justifying decay, because your ends would effectively be empty.

The man who betrays his people for power is a traitor, no matter how high he may climb. True power servers something beyond the self: a people, a bloodline, a long future.

We agree, results matter, but the result that matters most, to me, is: did your people grow stronger? Did your bloodline endure? Did your civilisation advance in purity and strength? If not, I don't think you're a winner, rather another symptom of decline.

 

[imontheloose]

I ve heard some shekh made a girl with highest quality gene just to fuck and have kids with

Sounds like something @SecularIslamist would do.

 

[Lonenely sigma]

The only down side is many people have an aversion to it

Spot on... idk how that happend but I once discusses this topic with my mom... she was hardly opposed to it, and yet she was 100% supportive of abortions. My guess is that that's because abortions are already accepted as something "normal" due to being around for a while

 

[imontheloose]

Spot on... idk how that happend but I once discusses this topic with my mom... she was hardly opposed to it, and yet she was 100% supportive of abortions. My guess is that that's because abortions are already accepted as something "normal" due to being around for a while

Abortion works well because it's a form of eugenics. Just look at Iceland.

 

[Lonenely sigma]

Abortion works well because it's a form of eugenics. Just look at Iceland.

Agreed.

Its always funny to me how people are for abortions when its a question of allowing women to do what they want, and are against abortions when it comes to eugenics JFL

 

[not__cel]

Obedience isn't a single gene, and personality isn't easily programmable, true, I accept that. But that's not my point. You don't need to program perfect obedience. You just need to nudge people toward emotional compliance: lower aggression, increase agreeableness, shorten attention span, dampen critical thinking, all things we know can be influenced hormonally and neurologically.

The real risk isn't overt harm like making you and I suffer 24/7, it's creating a society full of people who don't know they're being softened. People who are technically "free" but biologically shaped to avoid resistance, accept comfort, and never question the frame around them.

It's a subtle form of genetic conditioning that wouldn't even feel evil to most, and that's what makes it so dangerous.

CRISPR wouldn't even need to break people to control them, it just needs to quietly tilt the baseline.

Well the other option is full transparency

If people choose what they want to edit with fully knowing what they’re gonna do/the risks then it won’t be as bad

Medical transparency is all we need so when something happens we’ll be able to see what theyre doing

But in the modern day world, disinformation is so rampant so it’s understandable to not trust it at all

 

[imontheloose]

Agreed.

Its always funny to me how people are for abortions when its a question of allowing women to do what they want, and are against abortions when it comes to eugenics JFL

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Agreed. They are mostly an inconsistent people nonetheless.

 

[imontheloose]

Well the other option is full transparency

If people choose what they want to edit with fully knowing what they’re gonna do/the risks then it won’t be as bad

Medical transparency is all we need so when something happens we’ll be able to see what theyre doing

But in the modern day world, disinformation is so rampant so it’s understandable to not trust it at all

Understandable.

 

[not__cel]

Understandable.

Hopefully only medical institutes oversee it and aren’t lobbied like they usually are

It’ll be really fucking expensive but in my opinion worth it

 

[imontheloose]

Hopefully only medical institutes oversee it and aren’t lobbied like they usually are

It’ll be really fucking expensive but in my opinion worth it

We both know who "oversees" medicine, the same clique that turns every science into a business and every patient into a number.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Crispr is not safe, it has many limits and its expensive

Its gonna take a century before real gene editing can happen

Why is that a line that shouldn’t be crossed? Obedience also isnt genetic

What are you talking about, personality is genetics. It can easily be controlled

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

You're absolutely right about one thing here in my eyes: results matter. But I think this is thinking too small: chasing wealth, comfort, or attention. I don't agree with measuring things in the pound or followers, rather legacy, race, survival, and the strength of the people.

I don't think honour is a meme. It's the code by which strong civilisations survive. Without it, you don't get greatness, you get (((parasites))), let's say, winning in a sick system. When you imply, "the ends justify the means", you're just justifying decay, because your ends would effectively be empty.

The man who betrays his people for power is a traitor, no matter how high he may climb. True power servers something beyond the self: a people, a bloodline, a long future.

We agree, results matter, but the result that matters most, to me, is: did your people grow stronger? Did your bloodline endure? Did your civilisation advance in purity and strength? If not, I don't think you're a winner, rather another symptom of decline.

I’d like to give my thoughts on this but we’re already having a whole different discussion in another thread

 

[imontheloose]

I’d like to give my thoughts on this but we’re already having a whole different discussion in another thread

All good boyo.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

All good boyo.

I burnt the bread I was making

 

[imontheloose]

I burnt the bread I was making

what am I gonna eat now boyo.

 

[not__cel]

What are you talking about, personality is genetics. It can easily be controlled

Bro it’s not, I’ve studied personalities and how they’re created, hormones are probably the only biological thing that contributes to personalities, intellect aswell but that doesn’t fluctuate as much

Everything else is based on memory/life experiences and that’s how you control decision making and also a core part of reasoning

For example if you got hit whenever you reached for apples you’d stop trying to get them, this is a survival skill

 

[batman1997]

GENE editing is dangerous

 

[Hernan]

I see selective breeding as honourable because it aligns with nature's rhythms. It's slow, disciplined, generational. CRISPR, whilst powerful, risks hubris. It would likely produce unnatural distortions if not guided by racial or civilisational principles. Gene editing is a tool, whether it uplifts or corrupts depends entirely on who controls it and what values they embed in said code.

Without racial soul, genetic engineering becomes just another tool of globalist subhumans. Real regeneration doesn't come from rewriting the code, it comes from mastering the blood. Nature doesn't forgive arrogance, nor will history.

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@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon @Xangsane

Bump.

 

[imontheloose]

Bump.

Thank you, sir.