Is eastern europe going to be eaten by Russia in the near future

[Snicket]

All it comes down to imo. Do you risk getting 5th gen fighters on your borders or do you play it cool. But it dodnt happen so it doesnt matter anyway. I dont know why they are followijg this wishy washy shit though

I just don't believe the US would ever risk a direct conflict with Russia but equally, Putin is naturally risk averse.
I don't believe he ever wanted to invade Ukraine in the first place.

 

[pajjeetslayer]

I just don't believe the US would ever risk a direct conflict with Russia but equally, Putin is naturally risk averse.
I don't believe he ever wanted to invade Ukraine in the first place.

Then why did he invade Ukraine recourses and oil bro my dads a history nerd and he believes that

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

Russia also has hypersonic missiles like the Kinzhal and Avangard give them a strike capability the U.S. can't fully counter yet. They also used cyber attacks in Ukraine has disrupted Western communications and drone operations. In Syria Russian air powe turned the tide for Assad's regime despite facing tge coalition . U.S. is unmoggable in terms of military but Russian nukes and special weapons and tactics make them a serious threat. Russia is not Vietnam or Afghanistan.

I am talking about direct war bud. America has more fighter jets and also more advanced than Russia. Same goes for helis. America has more Aircraft carriers than Russia. Whatever Russia can do to America, America can return 10 times over. America hasnt shared their most important tech to Ukraine.

 

[Snicket]

Then why did he invade Ukraine recourses and oil bro my dads a history nerd and he believes that

NATO expansion. Ukraine and Georgia have been well established red lines for Russia since 2007.
I can find an interview of Putin from 1999 talking about it.

The US has its Monroe Doctrine and would never tolerate Mexico joining Russia and China an anti American alliance.
Look at what happened in Cuba. The world was brought to the verge of a nuclear holocaust over American security concerns.

 

[AustrianMogger]

View attachment 3784843View attachment 3784850The west is tired of helping the Ukraine. Even Trump himself admitted that without their help Ukraine would be easily occupied by Russia.

Also Belarussian people don't mind becoming a part of "big russian family". The President of Belarus considered the possibility of joining Russia. Russia and Belarus are very friendly countries towards each other.

If Ukraine and Belarus become a part of Russia, will the entire eastern europe be fucked by russia? I am sure that after the capture of the two neighboring countries, they will begin to spread their influence to the Baltic countries and the Balkans.

yea

 

[standardcel]

Yeah, even delusional generals in the War Plans room of Russia knows that if they piss off USA, its game over. How are they gonna fight against the biggest fleet and Air Force in the world that too the most technologically advanced ?

You can fault USA for many things. Its army rapes every country 10 times over though and thats simply the case. No one is gonna touch NATO allies as long this holds true

S500 Prometheus can down stealth fighter jets

 

[pajjeetslayer]

NATO expansion. Ukraine and Georgia have been well established red lines for Russia since 2007.
I can find an interview of Putin from 1999 talking about it.

The US has its Monroe Doctrine and would never tolerate Mexico joining Russia and China an anti American alliance.
Look at what happened in Cuba. The world was brought to the verge of a nuclear holocaust over American security concerns.

Could be the case 2 no point in going past the lines where 90% of the recourses and oils are for him I doubt he wants Ukraine that much it would make him look like the bad guy 2 much

 

[Snicket]

Could be the case 2 no point in going past the lines where 90% of the recourses and oils are for him I doubt he wants Ukraine that much it would make him look like the bad guy 2 much

It's a difficult situation for Putin.

Ideally, I think he wants Ukraine to be a demilitarised neutral power outside of NATO.
However, the US and Europeans are fundamentally untrustworthy.

If he marches all the way to the West, Russia will have NATO on its borders again - which is not ideal either.
Not easy.

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

S500 Prometheus can down stealth fighter jets

4 batteries isnt much but you have a point. America has too many jets

 

[Soter]

Lol at thinking American zoomers are gonna bleed for some godforsaken shithole in EE. The draft is not gonna be easy this time, they killed the patriotism with Emma and her two moms. We will not see American troops deployed to fight Russia in Europe.

they will only fight for israel

 

[pajjeetslayer]

It's a difficult situation for Putin.

Ideally, I think he wants Ukraine to be a demilitarised neutral power outside of NATO.
However, the US and Europeans are fundamentally untrustworthy.

If he marches all the way to the West, Russia will have NATO on its borders again - which is not ideal either.
Not easy.

Thats the ideal for him but I highly doubt he actually wants any conflict with nato cuz that would make him into a hitlerv2 and in my opinion he’s either gonna go for that or try and win a trade war of the fundemental big oil reserves and recourses and fuck off he’s old as it is probably doesn’t wanna stress him self out 2 much

 

[Snicket]

Thats the ideal for him but I highly doubt he actually wants any conflict with nato cuz that would make him into a hitlerv2 and in my opinion he’s either gonna go for that or try and win a trade war of the fundemental big oil reserves and recourses and fuck off he’s old as it is probably doesn’t wanna stress him self out 2 much

I think the Hitler stuff is all just Western bullshit. We like to replay Neville Chamberlain and appeasement in our heads over and over again.

I think Putin will mobilize more men and secure the Eastern portion of Ukraine. If he takes Odessa and cuts off Ukranain black sea access, the rump state of Ukraine in whatever form, will be hugely weakened.

 

[pajjeetslayer]

I think the Hitler stuff is all just Western bullshit. We like to replay Neville Chamberlain and appeasement in our heads over and over again.

I think Putin will mobilize more men and secure the Eastern portion of Ukraine. If he takes Odessa and cuts off Ukranain black sea access, the rump state of Ukraine in whatever form, will be hugely weakened.

Probably gonna go sleep max now bhai gn

 

[Snicket]

Probably gonna go sleep max now bhai gn

Sleep well prince.

 

[borntokill]

It wont because before russia takes the whole europe there will be a huge nuclear war

They can’t even capture Ukraine what makes you think they’ll get the rest of EE

 

[thenewhebbe]

The question thag needs to ask will they still be in nato or have nukes . If the answer is no then yeah they will invade

 

[BigJimsWornOutTires]

It would look awfully suspicious if the USA and Russia didn't disagree a lot. Not only that, it would raise questions if we didn't disagree with Ukraine as well.

 

[thenewhebbe]

I just don't believe the US would ever risk a direct conflict with Russia but equally, Putin is naturally risk averse.
I don't believe he ever wanted to invade Ukraine in the first place.

I mean you just disproven the nato expansion claim In the qoute. By saying nato is not a threat.

I mean putin didnt wanna invade he wouldnt thats it but he invaded to steal terroity

 

[Snicket]

I mean you just disproven the nato expansion claim In the qoute. By saying nato is not a threat.

I mean putin didnt wanna invade he wouldnt thats it but he invaded to steal terroity

You don't base the security policy of your country solely on good faith.
Besides, Ukraine was stationing US and NATO troops in the country to train its troops prior to the war.
The US would never allow Mexico to host Chinese or Russian troops.
Ukraine was effectively NATOized without being a NATO member.

 

[thenewhebbe]

You don't base the security policy of your country solely on good faith.
Besides, Ukraine was stationing US and NATO troops in the country to train its troops prior to the war.
The US would never allow Mexico to host Chinese or Russian troops.
Ukraine was effectively NATOized without being a NATO member.

. With or without Ukraine if usa and russia go to war both turn to dust something neither wants.

The question is why usa wouldnt allowed it because its possible they wanna invade and we don't know if they would allow kt.

Countries do military excercies thats their right and again Ukraine didnt wanna join nato until russia force their hand.

 

[Snicket]

Thats not good . With or without Ukraine if usa and russia go to war both turn to dust something neither wants.

True, it's a game of high stakes bluff. But simply believing the other side isn't the basis for national security policy either

Countries do military excercies thats their right and again Ukraine didnt wanna join nato until russia force their hand.

What about Cuban rights during the Missile crisis?
Did they not have a sovereign "right" to host Soviet missiles as an independent nation?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands

What about the Solomon Islands?

There's no such thing as "rights" in international politics. It's a total confection.

 

[thenewhebbe]

True, it's a game of high stakes bluff. But simply believing the other side isn't the basis for national security policy either

What about Cuban rights during the Missile crisis?
Did they not have a sovereign "right" to host Soviet missiles as an independent nation?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands

What about the Solomon Islands?

There's no such thing as "rights" in international politics. It's a total confection.

If usa invades both turn into dust its not assuming tje actor is good faith its just assuming they are a rational actor.

Usa have many reasons to dislike one of tjem is they wanna invade cuba and etc so obviously a country without nukes is bad and castro wanted to keep the nukes.

My guess its a empty threat to china.

When a country break a right it can get invaded