Is genioplasty enough?

[JeanAgueli]

Trying to figure out what my highest ROI surgery is.

 

[AustrianMogger]

Trying to figure out what my highest ROI surgery is.

Trimax

 

[tweaqo]

Trimax

No I don’t think so.

Unless the pictures are frauded, then he would just be wasting €30k

@lurking truecel what do u think

 

[lurking truecel]

No I don’t think so.

Unless the pictures are frauded, then he would just be wasting €30k

@lurking truecel what do u think

He needs something for eyes, jaw looks good enough

 

[AustrianMogger]

No I don’t think so.

Unless the pictures are frauded, then he would just be wasting €30k

@lurking truecel what do u think

He is downgrown as fuck. You need to rotate the pic to the Frankfurt plane

 

[zygosmasher12]

genioplasty is redundant your chin is not recessed

 

[tweaqo]

He is downgrown as fuck. You need to rotate the pic to the Frankfurt plane

I wouldn’t say it’s downgrown “as fuck” it’s not the worst I’ve seen

I think there is lots more he could fix, including his nose and especially eye area.

Trimax would be waste of time and money

 

[lurking truecel]

He is downgrown as fuck. You need to rotate the pic to the Frankfurt plane

Frankfurtplane is not absolute, natural head position is what ram and many other use nowadays

 

[vermicel]

Trying to figure out what my highest ROI surgery is.

Genioplasty for better downward projection (restoring an ideal chin-to-philtrum ratio) :

Rhinoplasty for better tip & bridge definition, and an improved mouth-to-nose width ratio :

Lower eyelid retraction & ptosis repair on the right eye (restoring shape/aperture symmetry with the left eye), lower blepharoplasty with fat repositioning (?) :

All of the above at once :

Each of these surgeries can be justified. Perhaps the most impactful would be the eye surgeries.
All of them combined (see last gif) would improve your facial aesthetics, but not to the point of achieving a major ascension (based on this picture and my morphs).

 

[JeanAgueli]

Genioplasty for better downward projection (restoring an ideal chin-to-philtrum ratio) :

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Rhinoplasty for better tip & bridge definition, and an improved mouth-to-nose width ratio :

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Lower eyelid retraction & ptosis repair on the right eye (restoring shape/aperture symmetry with the left eye), lower blepharoplasty with fat repositioning (?) :

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All of the above at once :

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Each of these surgeries can be justified. Perhaps the most impactful would be the eye surgeries.
All of them combined (see last gif) would improve your facial aesthetics, but not to the point of achieving a major ascension (based on this picture and my morphs).

How many points on the PSL scale is this change, starting from where and ending where?

 

[JeanAgueli]

He needs something for eyes, jaw looks good enough

I think upper eyelid fat grafting would help. I have fairly high-set eyebrows, so the skin covering my eyelids is quite thin/stretched.

Ideally, it should be like Chico's:

 

[nishka]

Genioplasty for better downward projection (restoring an ideal chin-to-philtrum ratio) :

View attachment 4419486

Rhinoplasty for better tip & bridge definition, and an improved mouth-to-nose width ratio :

View attachment 4419492

Lower eyelid retraction & ptosis repair on the right eye (restoring shape/aperture symmetry with the left eye), lower blepharoplasty with fat repositioning (?) :

View attachment 4419496

All of the above at once :

View attachment 4419501

Each of these surgeries can be justified. Perhaps the most impactful would be the eye surgeries.
All of them combined (see last gif) would improve your facial aesthetics, but not to the point of achieving a major ascension (based on this picture and my morphs).

damn those morphs are really good how did you make those can you make some for me i will pay you

 

[vermicel]

How many points on the PSL scale is this change, starting from where and ending where?

I'm under the impression that nobody actually rates based on the same scale & standardized method, despite the use of ratios and the claim to PSL lineage . So whatever I rate you may be perceived as erroneous by a bunch of people (including you). It's not very meaningful and that's why I'm kinda reluctant to do it.

Anyway. Based on the pictures you have provided, I'd rate your face a bit above average. Despite the minor-to-moderate flaws assessed earlier in the thread, you still have things going for you (hair, eye shape - at least with the left one, full lips with nice cupid bow, long ramus, ideal gonial angle, bigonial width, bizygomatic width, neck width, etc.). Yet, the aforementioned flaws affect your overall harmony, and you lack features that would stand out and really set you apart in a positive way. Your health indicators and coloring are average and ordinary. Your front profile seems better than your side profile, which is a good thing in every day settings.
All in all, I'd put your face somewhere in the 5.25-5.5 range, i.e. a top 40 % face, and the likely equivalent of a mmtn.
If you undergo all the surgeries detailed in my previous post, you could climb the ranks up to 6.0-6.25, top 25-20 % face, hmtn-borderline lhtn. The lack of striking features would be compensated by the absence of noticeable flaws (from the front) and a good overall harmony.
You may say that, considering the efforts involved, it's not such a big ascension ; to which I would agree. I think your progress will be limited by your pheno, coloring, and good but ordinary dimo & angularity. So it begs the question : is it worth it ? From the BP perspective, yes, it will always be worth it. From a more moderate perspective, I'd say the risk to reward ratio is a bit below average, and it comes down to how much you feel at ease with your current self.

Of course, my appraisal could be off by a mile, in one direction or the other (overrate or underrate). So take it all with a grain of salt.

damn those morphs are really good how did you make those can you make some for me i will pay you

Thanks for the comment. Just create your own thread, post your photos there, and describe your goals. I will do the morphs for free (or at least try to, whenever I can).

 

[nishka]

I'm under the impression that nobody actually rates based on the same scale & standardized method, despite the use of ratios and the claim to PSL lineage . So whatever I rate you may be perceived as erroneous by a bunch of people (including you). It's not very meaningful and that's why I'm kinda reluctant to do it.

Anyway. Based on the pictures you have provided, I'd rate your face a bit above average. Despite the minor-to-moderate flaws assessed earlier in the thread, you still have things going for you (hair, eye shape - at least with the left one, full lips with nice cupid bow, long ramus, ideal gonial angle, bigonial width, bizygomatic width, neck width, etc.). Yet, the aforementioned flaws affect your overall harmony, and you lack features that would stand out and really set you apart in a positive way. Your health indicators and coloring are average and ordinary. Your front profile seems better than your side profile, which is a good thing in every day settings.
All in all, I'd put your face somewhere in the 5.25-5.5 range, i.e. a top 40 % face, and the likely equivalent of a mmtn.
If you undergo all the surgeries detailed in my previous post, you could climb the ranks up to 6.0-6.25, top 25-20 % face, hmtn-borderline lhtn. The lack of striking features would be compensated by the absence of noticeable flaws (from the front) and a good overall harmony.
You may say that, considering the efforts involved, it's not such a big ascension ; to which I would agree. I think your progress will be limited by your pheno, coloring, and good but ordinary dimo & angularity. So it begs the question : is it worth it ? From the BP perspective, yes, it will always be worth it. From a more moderate perspective, I'd say the risk to reward ratio is a bit below average, and it comes down to how much you feel at ease with your current self.

Of course, my appraisal could be off by a mile, in one direction or the other (overrate or underrate). So take it all with a grain of salt.


Thanks for the comment. Just create your own thread, post your photos there, and describe your goals. I will do the morphs for free (or at least try to, whenever I can).

that will be really helpful thank you!! here is a thread i posted: https://looksmax.org/threads/need-surgery-advice.1767959/#post-24965594 it has all my pictures from all my angles. someone said i should get bimaxx + genio i have been trying to estimate if its worth it / what i would look like. are you able help me and please create a morph. i was thinking bimaxx + genio and then (this is extra) catho and upper eyelid fat graft. I actually have an appointment with a couple of surgeons so it would be great if you could help thanks again

 

[JeanAgueli]

I'm under the impression that nobody actually rates based on the same scale & standardized method, despite the use of ratios and the claim to PSL lineage . So whatever I rate you may be perceived as erroneous by a bunch of people (including you). It's not very meaningful and that's why I'm kinda reluctant to do it.

Anyway. Based on the pictures you have provided, I'd rate your face a bit above average. Despite the minor-to-moderate flaws assessed earlier in the thread, you still have things going for you (hair, eye shape - at least with the left one, full lips with nice cupid bow, long ramus, ideal gonial angle, bigonial width, bizygomatic width, neck width, etc.). Yet, the aforementioned flaws affect your overall harmony, and you lack features that would stand out and really set you apart in a positive way. Your health indicators and coloring are average and ordinary. Your front profile seems better than your side profile, which is a good thing in every day settings.
All in all, I'd put your face somewhere in the 5.25-5.5 range, i.e. a top 40 % face, and the likely equivalent of a mmtn.
If you undergo all the surgeries detailed in my previous post, you could climb the ranks up to 6.0-6.25, top 25-20 % face, hmtn-borderline lhtn. The lack of striking features would be compensated by the absence of noticeable flaws (from the front) and a good overall harmony.
You may say that, considering the efforts involved, it's not such a big ascension ; to which I would agree. I think your progress will be limited by your pheno, coloring, and good but ordinary dimo & angularity. So it begs the question : is it worth it ? From the BP perspective, yes, it will always be worth it. From a more moderate perspective, I'd say the risk to reward ratio is a bit below average, and it comes down to how much you feel at ease with your current self.

Of course, my appraisal could be off by a mile, in one direction or the other (overrate or underrate). So take it all with a grain of salt.


Thanks for the comment. Just create your own thread, post your photos there, and describe your goals. I will do the morphs for free (or at least try to, whenever I can).

This is quite consistent. I got ratings from 5.4 to 6.25 on truerateme. I also got 72% frontal harmony on FaceIqLabs. Even though I think the app overrates/underrates a bit, it still got my main flaws right (preyish eyes, feminine chin, feminine eyebrows). But I know that my lack of dimorphism diminishes my score by a lot and makes my main harmony flaws (eyes/nose) the only thing left to look at on my face.

I think before going on with the surgeries, I'll softmaxx as much as I further can (meaning; beard, thicker eyebrows/eyelashes, skin quality around eyes, 2-3% drop in bodyfat, lighter colored hair) and see where I'm at.

 

[Trail4]

It would help, trimax would be a lot better you need more than just a trimax tho

 

[vermicel]

This is quite consistent. I got ratings from 5.4 to 6.25 on truerateme.

Yeah, it's not absurd to rate you higher than I did. To be honest, I had a slightly higher rating in mind before settling for 5.25-5.5. Unless your height nerfs you, I can't see you struggling with women in real life. You've got good appeal.

And it's definitely a good idea to softmaxx as much as possible before going ahead with hardmaxxing. Your current facial flaws don't justify rushing surgeries.

By the way, what's your ethnic background ? I'm usually not too bad at connecting faces to specific nations, but yours is giving me a hard time. If I had to pick one, I'd say Egyptian.

 

[JeanAgueli]

Yeah, it's not absurd to rate you higher than I did. To be honest, I had a slightly higher rating in mind before settling for 5.25-5.5. Unless your height nerfs you, I can't see you struggling with women in real life. You've got good appeal.

And it's definitely a good idea to softmaxx as much as possible before going ahead with hardmaxxing. Your current facial flaws don't justify rushing surgeries.

By the way, what's your ethnic background ? I'm usually not too bad at connecting faces to specific nations, but yours is giving me a hard time. If I had to pick one, I'd say Egyptian.

I don't want to influence people's ratings of me, but one of my significant advantages in real life is being 6'3. I only got better with women recently after I joined org (ironic, must be some undiagnosed autism jfl). You're pretty close with Egyptian lol, I'm Moroccan actually.

 

[vermicel]

being 6'3 [...] I'm Moroccan

... un Marocain d'1,90m, ce n'est pas commun, et cela joue sans aucun doute en ta faveur (SMV++). D'autant plus si tu vis au Maroc et pas en Occident (worst case scenario : résider aux Pays-Bas).

Je ne sais pas ce que tu as pu lire ici qui aurait débloqué ta situation avec les femmes misons plutôt sur une simple coïncidence.

 

[JeanAgueli]

... un Marocain d'1,90m, ce n'est pas commun, et cela joue sans aucun doute en ta faveur (SMV++). D'autant plus si tu vis au Maroc et pas en Occident (worst case scenario : résider aux Pays-Bas).

Je ne sais pas ce que tu as pu lire ici qui aurait débloqué ta situation avec les femmes misons plutôt sur une simple coïncidence.

Ca m'aide dans le marche restraint des Marocains, certainement...

Haha j'ai juste commencer a prendre mon apparence au serieux apres avoir rejoint. Aussi, maintenant j'ai une base rationelle pour les relations hommes-femmes alors qu'avant je tirais dans le noir lol.