is hopping on roids reasonable even if you have not reached your gentic potential?

[mirinnnasal]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

 

[laplacist]

Genetic limit doesn't exist

You can modulate all your genes to an extent

 

[mirinnnasal]

Genetic limit doesn't exist

You can modulate all your genes to an extent

i dont evn know if i can call u a grey holy aura

 

[Jimcel]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

Hop on for a bit after some natty training but its up to you and your goals in the end of the day

but for me never hop on roids without any experience in the gym

Mark as solution by clicking the checkmark on right

 

[mirinnnasal]

Hop on for a bit after some natty training but its up to you and your goals in the end of the day

but for me never hop on roids without any experience in the gym

Mark as solution by clicking the checkmark on right

ik how to mark as solotion rofl

but i have pretty good experience in the gym

But I was just predisposed to trashy muscle building genes, and fat storage as well, even when I was on HGH I barely saw a tiny difference

 

[Odinsen]

ik how to mark as solotion rofl

but i have pretty good experience in the gym

But I was just predisposed to trashy muscle building genes, and fat storage as well, even when I was on HDH I barely saw a tiny difference

IMO you shouldn't, I don't have that good of a genetics for bodybuilding (I would call it 6/10 with 5 being average) and looked like shit when on your situation (1 and 1/2 year of exp), now with 3 years I look decent (girls talking abt my arms always, dudes saying I'm massive, etc etc).

Before blaming your genetics or hopping on roids focus on other variables like dieting, KNOWLEDGE abt lifting itself (90% of gymgoers know shit abt the lifts they're doing there or how to train), etc...

I'm always here to help, if u want

 

[mirinnnasal]

IMO you shouldn't, I don't have that good of a genetics for bodybuilding (I would call it 6/10 with 5 being average) and looked like shit when on your situation (1 and 1/2 year of exp), now with 3 years I look decent (girls talking abt my arms always, dudes saying I'm massive, etc etc).

Before blaming your genetics or hopping on roids focus on other variables like dieting, KNOWLEDGE abt lifting itself (90% of gymgoers know shit abt the lifts they're doing there or how to train), etc...

I'm always here to help, if u want

OK SO SHOULD I JUST RUN THE CYCLE THEN? I ALREADY GOT A 250 TEST VIAL

BUT LIKE SERIOUSLY MY INCURSIONS ARE SHIT, MY FRAME IS OK, MY CHEST HAS GYNO SINCE I HIT PUBERTY

IM TAKING ALL THE RIGHT PRECAUTIONS TO DEFLECT SIDES OF TEST, SO WHY NOT?

 

[6footislaw]

OK SO SHOULD I JUST RUN THE CYCLE THEN? I ALREADY GOT A 250 TEST VIAL

BUT LIKE SERIOUSLY MY INCURSIONS ARE SHIT, MY FRAME IS OK, MY CHEST HAS GYNO SINCE I HIT PUBERTY

IM TAKING ALL THE RIGHT PRECAUTIONS TO DEFLECT SIDES OF TEST, SO WHY NOT?

already have a vial dawg u know what to do

 

[Billow]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

Natty limit is a load of shit the dating pool isn’t a drug tested comp. That being said start with bioidentcal compounds

 

[Odinsen]

OK SO SHOULD I JUST RUN THE CYCLE THEN? I ALREADY GOT A 250 TEST VIAL

BUT LIKE SERIOUSLY MY INCURSIONS ARE SHIT, MY FRAME IS OK, MY CHEST HAS GYNO SINCE I HIT PUBERTY

IM TAKING ALL THE RIGHT PRECAUTIONS TO DEFLECT SIDES OF TEST, SO WHY NOT?

rep me too boyo, I'm a starving greycel

If you already have gyno then you have a propensity to aromatizing, test is a highly aromatizing steroid, even if u have an AI it's still risky and I think you should focus on saving $$$ for removing that gyno while you start lifting seriously. If you wanna hop on, do steroids that are less aromatizing like tren for example

Which insertions of yours are shit specifically? you can't have all of them bad, normally your good points just stand out positively

 

[darthvandersson]

i dont evn know if i can call u a grey holy aura

you are a grey aswell as me and him

 

[mirinnnasal]

Natty limit is a load of shit the dating pool isn’t a drug tested comp. That being said start with bioidentcal compounds

my cycle im planning after 250 test for 10 weeks, i feel like it would be life changing


STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

 

[mirinnnasal]

you are a grey aswell as me and him

die nigga

rep me too boyo, I'm a starving greycel

If you already have gyno then you have a propensity to aromatizing, test is a highly aromatizing steroid, even if u have an AI it's still risky and I think you should focus on saving $$$ for removing that gyno while you start lifting seriously. If you wanna hop on, do steroids that are less aromatizing like tren for example

Which insertions of yours are shit specifically? you can't have all of them bad, normally your good points just stand out positively

my tri, my bi, my whole chest deadass just very mid and long incersions

 

[darthvandersson]

die nigga

well you are

 

[mirinnnasal]

well you are

unfor your a true grey, unlike @laplacist

 

[Odinsen]

die nigga

my tri, my bi, my whole chest deadass just very mid and long incersions

train shoulders and your lats like a mf then, will improve your v shape too. Long insertions are good for triceps, because they're not a pop-dependant muscle and make most of your arm's mass

 

[darthvandersson]

unfor your a true grey, unlike @laplacist

tell me what grey means dumbass nigger

 

[syxl]

At 17, hopping on Test 250 is the fastest way to trash the genetics you’re complaining about. You haven't reached your potential; you've reached the limit of your current knowledge. If you've gained fat mixed with muscle in just 1.5 years, your insulin sensitivity and androgen receptor density are likely the bottleneck, not your natural testosterone levels.

Hopping on now will cause your growth plates to fuse early killing your height potential and likely shut down your natural HPTA axis before it even fully matured. You'll end up with a bloated face from estrogen aromatization and potentially permanent gyno. If you want to actually realize potential, optimize your internal health markers and gut health first, if your body can't handle natural growth, it definitely won't handle a cycle without ruining your facial aesthetics.

 

[mirinnnasal]

tell me what grey means dumbass nigger

log off son, not wasting posts conversing with you.

​

 

[mirinnnasal]

At 17, hopping on Test 250 is the fastest way to trash the genetics you’re complaining about. You haven't reached your potential; you've reached the limit of your current knowledge. If you've gained fat mixed with muscle in just 1.5 years, your insulin sensitivity and androgen receptor density are likely the bottleneck, not your natural testosterone levels.

Hopping on now will cause your growth plates to fuse early killing your height potential and likely shut down your natural HPTA axis before it even fully matured. You'll end up with a bloated face from estrogen aromatization and potentially permanent gyno. If you want to actually realize potential, optimize your internal health markers and gut health first, if your body can't handle natural growth, it definitely won't handle a cycle without ruining your facial aesthetics.

STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

 

[Billow]

my cycle im planning after 250 test for 10 weeks, i feel like it would be life changing


STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

There are a few rather questionable things on this wait gimme a bit

 

[Billow]

STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

my cycle im planning after 250 test for 10 weeks, i feel like it would be life changing


STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

Firstly if you’re going into your stack right after 10 weeks on 250 might was well skip 250. 300 is like the minimal test dose by itself for noticeable androgenic activity so I would go higher but just titrate up. Ideally would titrate up to 500 and see how u feel start lower and progress the dose every few weeks. Also 50 weeks wtf?? That’s so unnecessary. The longest I would extend a cycle is 24 weeks max. After that tolerance and health implications make it not worth it at all. Don’t do 50 weeks that’s OD. Also what kinda PCT is 150mg test ED that’s a damn gram a week dude unless you mean u take 150mg a week and pin schedule is ED, but still ur PCT is shit.

 

[Billow]

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Do not use furo as your go-to diuretic it’s a loop diuretic much more harmful and less sustainable than something like an aldosterone inhibitor like eplerenone. I use it u can actually use it ED and there are minimal health implications from my experience.

 

[Billow]

Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

2.5mg cialis is basically nothing. I rip like 50 with 20mg Tadalafil a lot of times when I lift and it’s no problem. This is kinda pointless tho ngl

 

[mustfye]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

3 years natural is not ur genetic limit mate its more like 20

 

[Billow]

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

2.5mg dut is unnecessary even on cycle. Esp if you’re young stay away from it unless u have rapid onset MPD. Also why oral minox in pct? Just take it ED if u want hair benefits

 

[Billow]

GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS

The giga dose melatonin is so overblown it’s not even worth the shitty lethargy when u wake up u don’t need the antioxidant benefits if ur on Gluta

 

[Billow]

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

This is gonna rape ur skin barrier bro taz is harsh asf if you don’t already have preexisting acne don’t take this high of a dose

 

[Billow]

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

Also u don’t need 1mg arimidex and dut if you don’t know ur bloods. Only if you’re high aromatizer. E2 is neuroprotective that on top of low dht ur brain is basically fucked

 

[Dewhey321]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

No hop on even if you havent reached ur max natural status, ur wasting time if ur planning on hopping on anyways

 

[Billow]

my cycle im planning after 250 test for 10 weeks, i feel like it would be life changing


STACK

300mg test c - 50 weeks

75 mg Tren A - Last 13 weeks of cycle

Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED

Accutance 40 mg ED+ tazarotene 0.05 EOD

Arimidex - 1mg at hand Taken EOD as needed

HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT - 26 weeks



Cialis - 10mg tablets, 2.5mg ED - Vasodilation - 50 pills

Furosemide 40mg - Bloat Take as Needed - 25 pills

Rosuvastatin 10mg ED + Fish Oil 4mg - LDL- 20 pills

Nebivolol 5 MG ED - BP - 20 pills

P5P - 100mg - 200mg daily - Prolactin

NAC + GLUTATHIONE + GIGA DOSE MELATONIN - ANTIOXIDENTS



250mg/mL vial

• Monday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Wednesday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Friday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Saturday – 24 units (60 mg)
• Sunday – 24 units (60 mg)

Tren acetate 75mg/week
Frequency : 10.7mg ED

• TRANSITION

PCT

150mg test c - ED


Boldenone (EQ) 150mg


Dutastride 2.5 mg ED + oral minoxidll 2.5mg ED


Accutance 20mg ED + tazarotene 0.05 EOD


HCG - 15,000 IUS PCT

Looking @ this stack I would say just don’t take gear. I don’t wanna be that guy but this is one of the most retarded stacks I’ve seen in a long time bro

 

[AryanSchizo]

no roids for face

 

[mirinnnasal]

This is gonna rape ur skin barrier bro taz is harsh asf if you don’t already have preexisting acne don’t take this high of a dose

i've been fine with it rn since i know how to take care of my skin

 

[mirinnnasal]

Also u don’t need 1mg arimidex and dut if you don’t know ur bloods. Only if you’re high aromatizer. E2 is neuroprotective that on top of low dht ur brain is basically fucked

i just assumed i am based on my lack of growth in the gym along with knowing im very senstive to dht and convert all it to it, hence 2.5mg of dut and staying on oral min

 

[mirinnnasal]

The giga dose melatonin is so overblown it’s not even worth the shitty lethargy when u wake up u don’t need the antioxidant benefits if ur on Gluta

cancel it out with caffenine in the morning

 

[mirinnnasal]

w

Do not use furo as your go-to diuretic it’s a loop diuretic much more harmful and less sustainable than something like an aldosterone inhibitor like eplerenone. I use it u can actually use it ED and there are minimal health implications from my experience.

as planning to just conrrol my e2, so bloat don't get bad i just have it on hand incase my shis does

 

[Aloof]

yes

natty training after 18 is like choosing to walk when your offered a car

 

[mirinnnasal]

Firstly if you’re going into your stack right after 10 weeks on 250 might was well skip 250. 300 is like the minimal test dose by itself for noticeable androgenic activity so I would go higher but just titrate up. Ideally would titrate up to 500 and see how u feel start lower and progress the dose every few weeks. Also 50 weeks wtf?? That’s so unnecessary. The longest I would extend a cycle is 24 weeks max. After that tolerance and health implications make it not worth it at all. Don’t do 50 weeks that’s OD. Also what kinda PCT is 150mg test ED that’s a damn gram a week dude unless you mean u take 150mg a week and pin schedule is ED, but still ur PCT is shit.

no 150 test a week i mean and also will be on hcg and off ai and taking eq, maybe half way into the cycle i will taper the dose then

 

[freshmanpuhslayer]

I've seen a lot of bodybuilder influencers like Dorian heavily disagree with hopping on anabolics prior to reaching your genetic potential, which would be around three years in the gym being natural, but what if my genetics were trashed to start with, does this warrant a case where I hop on, I'm 17 and I've been training for one year and a half, and I've gained 20 pounds of fat mixed with muscle, already ordered the 250 test though so meh

The only reason to wait is to perfect your training and dieting, so you can get the most out of steroids. That being said, look up LiftRunBang (Paul Carter) and Alan Aragon on Instagram, and use their advice for training and diet, respectively. If you follow their advice well (they are science-based), there is essentially no need to wait to use steroids. Get big my nigga