Is it even possible to ascend eye area via hardmaxxing?

[Halcyon0x]

Oculoplasty results are always unimpressive, I have never seen a LTN eye area become a CL one, even with surgeries.

Why is this?

More resources to understand this phenomenon are appreciated, photos too. Open debate

 

[Xul1ll]

Becuase you can't fix so many falios while the eyes are still functional

 

[arthwoor]

as you most likely cant ascend from ltn to cl in terms of looks even with surgeriers, the same way you cant ascend your eye area from ltn to cl with surgeries

 

[Halcyon0x]

Becuase you can't fix so many falios while the eyes are still functional

as you most likely cant ascend from ltn to cl in terms of looks even with surgeriers, the same way you cant ascend your eye area from ltn to cl with surgeries

Theoretically I assume it possible in some cases except if:

Eyes are narrow or bulging

The eye area is especially difficult, while rhinoplasty results are astounding and imo could give you that ltn-> cl boost for the nose

There is nothing you can do for a lacking eye support or plpebral fissure length

 

[Xul1ll]

Theoretically I assume it possible in some cases except if:

Eyes are narrow or bulging

The eye area is especially difficult, while rhinoplasty results are astounding and imo could give you that ltn-> cl boost for the nose

There is nothing you can do for a lacking eye support or plpebral fissure length

Real astute observation there mate

 

[Halcyon0x]

The issue is that although there are canonical standards for both the nose and the eyes, eyes are impossible to achieve.

Drago, O’Pry, Alessandro… the eyes are very similar at the top

 

[Hide]

Eyes can only be ascended if you have the base (deep set eyes and positive orbital vector and your eyes just lack fat pads) or maybe just lack the canthal tilt

Its near impossible with bug eyes

 

[Hide]

Theoretically I assume it possible in some cases except if:

Eyes are narrow or bulging

The eye area is especially difficult, while rhinoplasty results are astounding and imo could give you that ltn-> cl boost for the nose

There is nothing you can do for a lacking eye support or plpebral fissure length

Tbh pfl isn't that bad of a fallo as long as its not death tier, chris hemsworth is a pflcel and his eye area is still cl+ tier

 

[Halcyon0x]

Eyes can only be ascended if you have the base (deep set eyes and positive orbital vector and your eyes just lack fat pads) or maybe just lack the canthal tilt

Its near impossible with bug eyes

Is the orbital vector that big of a deal too in your opinion?

 

[Hide]

Is the orbital vector that big of a deal too in your opinion?

Orbital vector can create the appearance of shallow set eyes even though they are deep set

You can have a mogger positive orbital vector and still have tear troughd due to lack of fat (i have that)

Now gandy and O'pry get away with it but they're anomalies with .00000001% fat insertions

It really depends on your harmony

Most infras dont work except saddled for most case which only pagnoni and few does

 

[Hide]

Is the orbital vector that big of a deal too in your opinion?

Also if you dont have the base for your infras, fat grafting would be useless and would just be nothingwater

 

[zemult]

The best eye surgery results come from fat grafting or orbital implants

 

[Halcyon0x]

The best eye surgery results come from fat grafting or orbital implants

I haven’t seen anything great come from orbital implants tbf

 

[ltn_looksminner]

For real brah , i wanna lower my lashes but i don’t think thatll be possible

 

[Halcyon0x]

For real brah , i wanna lower my lashes but i don’t think thatll be possible

Long lashes aren’t categorically bad bhai

 

[zaebalsya]

lower eyelid retraction is good one

 

[Halcyon0x]

lower eyelid retraction is good one

I believe that it is the same as a canthopexy? I talked to a oculoplastic surgeon and when I mentioned lower eyelid retraction he told me that he could do a canthopexy for that

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Long lashes aren’t categorically bad bhai

Meant to say my eyebrows , sometimes my mind isnt minding

 

[AustrianMogger]

Oculoplasty results are always unimpressive, I have never seen a LTN eye area become a CL one, even with surgeries.

Why is this?

More resources to understand this phenomenon are appreciated, photos too. Open debate

Probably with giant if you get multiple surgerys exceding 200k for eyes alone and dont suffer from a major complication.

 

[zemult]

I haven’t seen anything great come from orbital implants tbf

There's definitely good orbital implant results out there but fat grafts is the safest option if you don't have any major orbital recession

 

[clearness.]

The best eye surgery results come from fat grafting or orbital implants

Lower eyelid retraction if needed+

 

[zemult]

Lower eyelid retraction if needed+

Needs to be as conservative as possible as it can get uncanny quickly

 

[Halcyon0x]

Needs to be as conservative as possible as it can get uncanny quickly

it’s kind of sad to have this problem because you either get an unimpressive expensive result or an uncanny unwanted one. Starting to suspect that there’s no sweet spot

 

[clearness.]

Needs to be as conservative as possible as it can get uncanny quickly

Dms.

 

[mhmd12322]

Eyes can only be ascended if you have the base (deep set eyes and positive orbital vector and your eyes just lack fat pads) or maybe just lack the canthal tilt

Its near impossible with bug eyes

Cant u get malar implants to get positive orbital vector?

 

[Halcyon0x]

Probably with giant if you get multiple surgerys exceding 200k for eyes alone and dont suffer from a major complication.

I’ve only seen two giant results which didn’t have major complications

Cant u get malar implants to get positive orbital vector?

Yes, but very high risk of uncanny results in exchange of +0.25 PSL

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

Theoretically I assume it possible in some cases except if:

Eyes are narrow or bulging

The eye area is especially difficult, while rhinoplasty results are astounding and imo could give you that ltn-> cl boost for the nose

There is nothing you can do for a lacking eye support or plpebral fissure length

Bulging can be fixed via orbital decompression

 

[Halcyon0x]

Bulging can be fixed via orbital decompression

Expensive and difficult surgery bhai, not many surgeons offer that and the ones who do are butchers

Low hanging fruit but Taban was the most famous and look at Frank Tufano

 

[high_ltn]

Oculoplasty results are always unimpressive, I have never seen a LTN eye area become a CL one, even with surgeries.

Why is this?

More resources to understand this phenomenon are appreciated, photos too. Open debate

could cantho + wrap around zygo/cheekbone/infraorbital implants save my eyes??? @Halcyon0x

 

[Halcyon0x]

could cantho + wrap around zygo/cheekbone/infraorbital implants save my eyes??? @Halcyon0x



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Canthopexy is what surgeons will probably offer you since you’re young

For implants I can’t see the whole midface / face. And general harmony is somewhat important. Anyway both of them would suppose +0.25PSL for each at most and your eye area is cl on this picture. +0.35 PSL being optimistic. And I don’t recommend it since the benefits of this boost will not be that noticeable

It probably isn’t what’s making you look bad if there is

 

[cjydn]

To be fair you got fat grafts, supraorbital and infraorbital, canthoplasty and canthoplexy.

 

[Deleted member 122761]

Expensive and difficult surgery bhai, not many surgeons offer that and the ones who do are butchers

Low hanging fruit but Taban was the most famous and look at Frank Tufano

fuck, now he’s even talking about the illuminati

 

[phoenixttt1]

Probably with giant if you get multiple surgerys exceding 200k for eyes alone and dont suffer from a major complication.

What surgeries does giant do?

 

[Halcyon0x]

fuck, now he’s even talking about the illuminati

Enduring such devastating consequences from what was meant to be a cosmetic choice is psychologically unbearable without tipping into at least some degree of madness (often complete breakdown)

NO ONE could withstand that level of suffering

What surgeries does giant do?

Leforts + Implants. Celal does it and Pagnoni I believe. The cases where no infections happen are the exception here. I can attach Giant’s patients pictures if you guys want

 

[phoenixttt1]

Enduring such devastating consequences from what was meant to be a cosmetic choice is psychologically unbearable without tipping into at least some degree of madness (often complete breakdown)

NO ONE could withstand that level of suffering


Leforts + Implants. Celal does it and Pagnoni I believe. The cases where no infections happen are the exception here. I can attach Giant’s patients pictures if you guys want

Yes attach it.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

Expensive and difficult surgery bhai, not many surgeons offer that and the ones who do are butchers

Low hanging fruit but Taban was the most famous and look at Frank Tufano

When it is done correctly results can be life changing.

Frank Tufano’s botch was unfortunate, but bad botches happen with any surgery, you can’t judge the riskiness of a surgery from just one botch. That said, the reason Frank is fucked up is because he did both lateral and medial wall decompression. Generally, if you stick to just lateral wall decompression the risks are much lower. Don’t get decompression on any other wall. The most recommended doctor is Dr Raymond Douglas.

This is for truly bulging eyes only, most people thin they need OD but in reality don’t. I have this failo and am low inhib enough to do it.