(PICS) Definitively documenting years of bonesmashing changes + Protocol | All denial ends here tbh

[solodolo]

I have a whole story to tell about all the iois i've had especially at workplace, and obviously not as good looking as you.

just that being lean with decent coloring, pheno etc. seems to put me above most of the population despite my mid bone structure overall.

ioi farming is addictive, once you get first tastes of iois in public you just want to keep improving looks to get more.

How has that been for you? I’ve experienced something similar but I’ve always been left wanting.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Appreciate the thorough response, man. I feel similar. I’ve done a lot since I first joined this space beyond just softmaxxing to great effect but there’s still so much more to do. Do you have any videos on how you strike your cheekbones?

Not yet only chin but also I don’t even want to accidentally risk more scar tissue accumulation on them even from a few proper tutorial hits haha

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I have a whole story to tell about all the iois i've had especially at workplace, and obviously not as good looking as you.

just that being lean with decent coloring, pheno etc. seems to put me above most of the population despite my mid bone structure overall.

ioi farming is addictive, once you get first tastes of iois in public you just want to keep improving looks to get more.

Yeah even being top percents is easier than ever
Being truly chiseled alone is a major boost that is a rare halo irl
Reminds me of some good comments the feedback loop you mentioned

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^a great point on the asymmetry between average girls being attractive to average guys (mind copes fantastically etc) but NOT the reverse lol. So it is still cucked if they get with their female looksmatch with 1 sided interest. I’ve also never gotten this and have only found attractive girls attractive personally

 

[solodolo]

Yeah even being top percents is easier than ever
Being truly chiseled alone is a major boost that is a rare halo irl
Reminds me of some good comments the feedback loop you mentioned

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^a great point on the asymmetry between average girls being attractive to average guys (mind copes fantastically etc) but NOT the reverse lol. So it is still cucked if they get with their female looksmatch with 1 sided interest. I’ve also never gotten this and have only found attractive girls attractive personally

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Ideal would be to build up the mass in face to help provide that lean look of at least augment it even when you’re at higher body fat levels. I don’t know how cavill does it because it’s not like he’s at 10% year rounds. Could just be that he got lucky with his fat pads as he ages up.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Ideal would be to build up the mass in face to help provide that lean look of at least augment it even when you’re at higher body fat levels. I don’t know how cavill does it because it’s not like he’s at 10% year rounds. Could just be that he got lucky with his fat pads as he ages up.

Some guys are lucky in this regard
@Chad - youvr sent me some of these

And yes I don’t have to be as diabolically peeled to be angular now and such, but it is still mandatory to be really chiseled

And @Seeyenar maybe you’ve had this but it’s so easy to slip 1-2% and mind to not let you see it, plus it’s gradual; then ur starvemaxxing again and you realize you descended a little from your peak
I am getting to and staying and true Jordan Barrett this time

 

[Seeyenar]

Some guys are lucky in this regard
@Chad - youvr sent me some of these

And yes I don’t have to be as diabolically peeled to be angular now and such, but it is still mandatory to be really chiseled

And @Seeyenar maybe you’ve had this but it’s so easy to slip 1-2% and mind to not let you see it, plus it’s gradual; then ur starvemaxxing again and you realize you descended a little from your peak
I am getting to and staying and true Jordan Barrett this time

Worth noting that some faces look worse at low bf percentages. Especially if bad maxilla, flat zygos etc.

https://looksmax.org/threads/rate-chad-who-became-incel-before-and-after-leanmaxxing.244332/

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Worth noting that some faces look worse at low bf percentages. Especially if bad maxilla, flat zygos etc.

https://looksmax.org/threads/rate-chad-who-became-incel-before-and-after-leanmaxxing.244332/

Yk it is funny how 1) he's still extremely fat in the after but 2) this may also be another strong case of the makeuppill. You should post this on school tbh to keep that in ppl's minds
Not good facial structure in the before but looks generally good and stuff and then the makeup ostensibly is a major lift

It is indeed the case that some will have to get fat grafting or will reveal a weaker jaw than they hoped for (my case, when finally shredded in 2025) but at least being shredded then revealing these flaws then augmenting them will take them to a higher level than ever b4

 

[anxxiety]

everyone saying bonesmashing is cope is just a little boy whos to scared to do it there is litteral scientific evidence to back it up(RAP), it does not create bone tho, just tissue.

what kind of tissue? how can tissue create such volume

 

[ubimax]

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.

can you give me an idea of how to use bonesmash to correct these asymmetries, i mainly deal with this in my chin and jaw, just like you

 

[Evgeniy291]

all the timeline is explained and face was bloated for fucking years after peds
you dont get to drop takes like this without reading, theres so much documentation of every confounder

Face doesn’t get bloated for years after pds

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

Endless essays of cope

1. You got leaner
2. You got slightly more facial bone mass as you aged.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Face doesn’t get bloated for years after pds

Binge eating and not being lean obv not bc that

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Endless essays of cope

1. You got leaner
2. You got slightly more facial bone mass as you aged.

Late 2025 to recent and same or less leanness, so just random ramus widening in 10 weeks in my young 20s

Way more prominent cheekbones not just bf see the old pics

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

can you give me an idea of how to use bonesmash to correct these asymmetries, i mainly deal with this in my chin and jaw, just like you

Yeah besides following an optimal protocol in general just trying to see what ramus/gonions parts are weaker and smaller and a lot more volume on that side
And for chin I didn’t rly want more height so just hit the short side only on the bottom

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

what kind of tissue? how can tissue create such volume

Page 3 comment on AI summary of the scar tissue mechanism likely explaining this

 

[diablo2k.]

*This is a repost with permission – old one got deleted yesterday due to me having had other bonesmashing transformation posts in my history already. Shoutout to @Aryan Incel for getting them deleted so that I could repost this without violating any rules.
Because those posts were more basic before-afters. Whereas this is a definitive documentation of my face changes over 5 years and 5 periods of bonesmashing with commentary on the timeline and what I was doing and is a lot more valuable for people to see. This took many hours to compile.
Goals: promote real discussion; making this a legit method people are willing to try so they can get changes like me, Androgenic, Blake Speaks, and other users

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There are 4 main types of copers/deniers here that will be destroyed: ​

-1: "You just got leaner". Laughably proven false with shredded physique pics at different stages below where I was still boneless or had only developed one area

-2. "There are no real changes". Idek what to say to this lmao

-3. "Filler". Ig this can't be totally debunked. Yet, I grew my cheekbones and chin and jaw at DIFFERENT TIMES; wouldn't any non-retarded aesthetician, when consulting with me, tell me to do multiple areas at once for balance? Further, the unevenness at the bottom of my chin, which was blatant before and minimal now: why would I have waited to fill that for so long?
Second to last, pics from after making my cheekbones wider but while jaw was still narrow are included and look so uncanny: why would a professional let me fill the sides of them and kill my ratios like this? Also, permanent skin damage about the submalar area which isn't in the before pics and which is shown at the end.
And last, these changes were so gradual with so many pics as points of reference that it would have required like 10+ tiny filler sessions to fraud this so incrementally; even @Cheat_Win accumulated his insane lower third results with less sessions than this.

-4. "Puberty changes", "changes from PED androgenicity", etc. -Clearly not my case, starting this at 19, having different bones develop at different times depending on when I focused on them, gains coming mostly after PEDs, etc. And jaw corners changes almost entirely being within the last 2 months at age 23.

That being said, if you want to believe this is in some way faked, then idk what to say: but why should a way higher burden of proof be placed on this than on other posts on this site? Just because few have done this long enough and properly so as to get results? It says something that Androgenic and Blake Speaks are s-tier intellects in this space and are really the few to advocate for the efficacy of this. Though this likely works via scar tissue deposition accumulation and not subperiostal hematoma ossification

I am open to thoughtful users wanting to try to attribute my results to other things; I am not to those who arrogantly want to shut down discussion. Isn't the purpose of this an intellectually-humble scientific-mindset approach to looks improvement? Anyone thinking they can a priori "debunk" bonesmashing, because it is just "too crazy", does not have the type of open-mindedness needed to accomplish anything and will be behind the curve on things

I am getting a bunch of interested people to run my exact protocol so there will soon be an abundance of success case studies and this will be in the same respectability bucket, at least in the looksmax space, as going to the gym to build muscle

Should you do filler etc. instead?
I'm glad how this worked out for me and it it nice that, whether it is ossification via subperiostal hematomas or just hard scar tissue deposition buildup, that it feels like "my" bones and is permanent, but fillers ofc work.

As far as the time issue, even though this whole progression below SPANS ALMOST 5 YEARS, I was only doing this, let alone doing it properly, for a fraction of this period; I'm confident gains can be made in months since I have done this for chin and cheekbones and now jaw in the more productive periods of this.

Asymmetry: in my case I used it to FIX my chin asymmetry, and my jaw corners asymmetry, with strategically addressing it rn, is getting more and more balanced as well. Of all the possible risks and issues that come along with this, asymmetry isn't near the top imo.


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START. Late 2021, before any bonesmashing. 5.5-6/10 looks. Not a great baseline.​

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Narrow and pointier chin with clear unevenness at the bottom. Low cheekbone mass. Undefined jaw corner area with the ramus and gonions not wide enough for an aesthetic lower third.
-used FaceApp beard “shaven” filter to remove a little scruffy facial hair in some of these pics so it does not obscure the bone structure situation at all

Physique at the time. Since we are fully dismantling ALL copes: including “you just got leaner” and “filler” and all else:

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Now, even if I have been slightly less lean than this at times in recent months, my chin mass and cheekbones and lower third are still way more prominent and defined; here, I was relatively boneless even at this bodyfat due to these areas just not being that developed. More shredded boneless pics later.


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PHASE 1/5 BONESMASHING, early 2022 (around Feburary-July):​

Find out about bonesmashing through some combo of mewing content (maybe the mewing subreddit iirc) and Indigenous Swiss on YouTube (now deleted) – basically the only guy discussing it and with vids on it.

He claimed results from it and sold a couple courses related to it which I purchased. Since for one reason or another he seemed to want to erase himself from the internet, I won’t be sharing his transformation pics or books. But this was my start.

Bonesmashed for several months starting sometime early 2022: chin all over, cheekbones all over, jaw all over (including the mandible body itself, which I don’t recommend.

I WAS BLOATED TO HELL ON ROIDS (maybe a 4/10 or 5/10). I've been legit high-sub5 before, horrible face and bad skin in some moments. Generally like 15% bodyfat and lots of water retention from both diet and the PEDs. Thus, I could not fully see my underlying structure and ratios and what areas to really work on and how. I was hitting all over the cheekbones: not just the middle/upper parts, but the bottom too and the outer sides, leading to them in the present being a bit more bulbous/lower and WIDER than is ideal, hurting my harmony a bit. And, with my lower third width work only really starting at the beginning of 2026, my narrower lower third relative to the cheekbones was a harmony issue for sure.

-unattractive normie disaster with poor skin, totally invisible to girls, looking way older than my age at the time, etc.:
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STOPPED this first run of bonesmashing near the end of summer 2022: I think I was still too bloated to really see results / if they were happening and was discouraged. “Am I fucking insane/retarded for doing this? Is this a ridiculous cope that I’ve been spending a few mins on most days per week for months now?”

From this first run of bonesmashing, I developed some cheekbone mass and width (as revealed when leaner) but not noticeable changes on chin/jaw. I was overall doing it about every other day or every 2 days per Wolff’s Law-based ideas about this at the time – and I think this is dramatically inferior to doing daily, even if the sessions were longer and with harder hits. And also, the suboptimal frequency notwithstanding, I think this stuff also just takes TIME.

*Since cheekbones pool so well and don't recover right away, it seems they are the bone that can grow with lower frequency whereas if you keep letting the swelling on other spots die down between sessions then idk if you will get results efficiently or at all*

So, from late summer 2022 when I stopped phase 1 to early 2024 when phase 2 began, I didn’t do it.

SUMMER 2023, when I was slightly less bloated than usual but still like 11-12% and with PEDs bloat. LOOK HOW WIDE MY CHEEKBONES ARE WTF (also I think I had done a one-off bonesmashing session all over a couple days before for pump swelling purposes, so I think my chin was slightly more prominent-looking in these than it really was at the time around then):
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I'm like 6/10 in these at most rly

Vs. late 2021 below again before any bonesmashing...
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Again, this is SERIOUS stuff when it can’t be dissolved like filler, so you need to be SHREDDED so you fully see what you are doing and need to be very aware of how your ratios/features stand, etc.

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PHASE 2/5 of BONESMASHING:​

EARLY 2024 was the SECOND phase of bonesmashing. I don’t think it lasted very long: maybe a few weeks. I did cheekbones again and focused more on chin. I still wasn’t aware enough of how to objectively assess my needs in order to realize that squaring up the gonions-ramus area should have been a major priority, but I think I still targeted this area some.

Why did I stop again? Even though the swelling pump is motivating, I again wondered if I was crazy, if this was cope, etc. What a HUGE DISADVANTAGE to be double-minded about this during every session and to be unable to fully put your heart into the endeavor, not knowing if it is at all worthwhile. When enough people have proven results and this is considered a giga-legit method, then people can skip this start-stop madness that, if I had persisted through from the beginning, could have allowed for me to develop my current bone structure YEARS earlier.

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THIRD PHASE OF BONESMASHING:​

May-September 2024. I worked further mostly on cheekbones and a little bit of chin. This was where I fully finished developing cheekbones to where they are today. Lower third I again still under-focused on. Was minimal with chin as well.

So, it was mostly about my cheekbones. If you aren’t objectively assessing your appearance, then it is easy to have a NARROW VISION when seeing yourself in the mirror, focusing only on one feature that is weak or strong and ignoring other weak points and overall harmony. BE SMARTER THAN THIS. (Ie I've even had trash hairstyles and only realized it way later)

Protocol then: about EOD cheekbones due to the high level of swelling and skin irritation not allowing for daily. Did for a few mins during sessions but not sure exactly of sets/reps, but they ranged from like 30 hard hits to 100 medium hits, roughly.

END OF SUMMER 2024


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Cheekbones still too wide relative to the underdeveloped lower third. Chin seems slightly better than in 2021 but still a bit uneven on bottom. When lean enough, cheekbones were a decently strong feature at this point. Physique is included to thoroughly dismantle “oh your results are just from being leaner”. I was shredded and debloated here.
Around a 7/10 on my absolute best days and with BB cream and Lumify drops frauds

August 2024: cheekbones showing through despite being relatively bloated in the pic (GLP drugs totally changed my life in 2025-onward btw). Yes, there is swelling in this pic, but the real underlying growth was mostly permanent.

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GODSEND MOMENT. November 2024 iirc, a CRUCIAL moment: talking with yyamann, who later became St.Rotter, on here, because he had posted a bonesmashing full-face before-after with incredible changes. He showed me privately far more pics and clips demonstrating his incredible transformation. He was more boneless than me to begin with and heavily heavily developed his chin, jaw corners, and cheekbones. In fact, he kind of overdid his cheekbones like I did– one special use case tool to see something more objectively is to use the FaceApp gender swap to female, and his female version had CRAZY big cheekbones that almost looked fake.
^SO, TAKE NOTES: CHEEKBONES ARE THE EASIEST SPOT TO OVERDO!! His were overdone anteriorly and not laterally really, unlike mine
His program: I wish we had talked more specifically, but he said he did it every day for two years. Multiple times a day. Don’t remember if he talked about fists vs. hammer or more particulars on intensity, volume, and so forth: but what I remember is he went hard multiple time a day for two years, desperate to ascend a below-average face, and WOW were the changes insane. Squared up superman chad jaw. Ltn to either high HTN or low chadlite, with insane bone structure and with other minor maxxes surely chadlite.
HE GAVE ME HOPE TO START AGAIN. What this method is missing is ENOUGH CLEAR BEFORE-AFTERS such that people are convinced it works! Talking to him in private affirmed that my cheekbone gains to that point were not somehow placebo and that this was a legitimate method for those doing it properly and consistently for long enough. Though for some reason I think I wasn’t really consistent again until like February 2025 maybe.

Dec 2024 lean and debloated. Cheekbones are where they are now since I haven’t trained them since then, chin is decent, but it is the jaw corners, the ramus-gonions area, that is still too narrow and undefined and holding me back (and smiling with this expression made it look its best, if anything)…
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Which leads us to:

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PHASE 4 OF BONESMASHING,​

from about February-May 2025. I did more chin and then some jaw corners as well. A key thing was focusing on the chin corners, which I remember doing in May for width.
In Feb-March, I was doing this maybe EOD or every 2 days; in May, focusing mainly on chin corners, I was doing daily generally. I think in phase 4, my jaw corners may have gotten just slightly less narrow and that my chin width improved a little bit; but there were not other gains from this run of it besides this.

Left, June 2025, maybe 12-14%, debloated here. Right, July, 2025 about 12% bodyfat and debloated. While my 3/4ths had been the strongest angle in most lightings for a long time, some pics like this revealed the weakness of the jaw corners.
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COMMON THEME FOR REST OF 2025 PICS: Strong cheekbones, good chin, weak jaw corners. This is why I almost never took pics STRAIGHT ON, hating how rounded the lower third looked and how narrow relative to the cheekbones. Most of my pics are a slight look to the side like above as well as 3/4ths profile.


Mid July 2025, 11ish% bodyfat and debloated; similar deal, avoiding front angle pics because they revealed the poor lower third.

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August 2025, shredded at roughly 10% bodyfat and debloated, FINALLY a front pic: with this leanness and skin and general harmony and cheekbones, I was already low HTN I think (still in HTN range at present) but my lower third corners continued to hold me back from better aesthetics.

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^I’m not actually that badly recessed, but this is a down angle. Side profile way stronger than front by hiding the jaw corners weakness.
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Sept 11 2025 physique pic: I am shredded and debloated. So it becomes clear that my limiting factors face-wise at this point are structure-related with leanness-related improvements no longer really on the table. Hard capped at around 7/10 on my best days before starting jaw corners work to square ts up

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^I AM REALLY LEAN, but the lower third is NOT what it is now, still VERY inward-sloped corners. This is why it is NOT an option for copers to say that the difference was getting leaner JFL. If they want to claim filler, then so be it (but again at least apply this to anyone claiming results from any experiment here and not just this)

Mid Oct 2025. Around a 6.5 on worse days or 7/10 on best days (fluctuate a lot based on sleep, bloat, inflammation, skin, etc.):
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^Those 2 pics the same day, same story: could look good in some off-center pics, but destroyed in most straight-on ones with these inward jaw corners. Which also required me to be way leaner than I would have had to otherwise in order to have some hollows.

Late Oct 2025: Starting becoming too apparent that no amount of leanmaxxing would suddenly make the jaw corner area better atp


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^(bottom right pic above) You know how occasionally you have a picture that looks way better than you actually looked when looking back? This was one of those where by jaw corners look probably the best they have in any picture due to the combo of lighting and angle and luck in this pic. Yet, STILL pretty poor and sloping inward etc.

Mid Nov 2025: showing how unbalanced the cheekbones-lower third proportion is


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Lower third still trash. The few straight-on pics made this SO OBVIOUS that it became the next imminent looksmax when I took time at the end of the year to evaluate looks improvement opportunities…

END OF DECEMBER 2025: Evaluating different maxxes and weakness, I began trying to morph better jaw corners, and these imperfect morphs below helped me FINALLY see that I could ascend by improving this area:

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If you aren't taking time every now and then to step back and objectively see what looksmax opportunities you are overlooking, then you will be clumsy and slow with many maxxes as I was over the years. Use AI especially Claude for objective analysis; it is surprisingly based in pointing you to implants etc. vs. soft advice from Chat

So, this leads us to the present…–


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PHASE 5 OF BONESMASHING: JAN 1 2026-PRESENT (March 2 2026 as of now)​

Determined to square up/widen my jaw corners and ascend as hard as possible. To surpass the 7/10 cap. Incredible how oblivious I was to this, maybe in part thinking that constantly being even leaner would ascend this area even though I had kind of pushed this to the limit already.

From the night of Jan 1st, the swelling in the jaw corners already helped provide some temporary width and revealed how much better I was going to look as I grew this area
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^I took multiple pics after my early sessions because the swelling making my bone structure look better than ever before was such lifefuel.


^Vid I posted Jan 4th with some swelling as part of this post:
https://looksmax.org/threads/vid-pics-masseter-vs-gonial-bone-growth-for-me-to-ascend.1811056/
Still poor jaw corners even with the early swelling since this swelling mass was occurring on top of so narrow and poor a base


Late Jan 2026: Likely some scar tissue accumulating in the jaw corners already since the lower third started already looking consistently better than before in just a month in addition to the swelling
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^Unfortunately my nose is extremely prone to big swelling swings based on things like histamine, salt/bloat, inflammation, heat, blood pressure, etc.

Began hitting the front of chin as well at some point in Feb for more forward projection. (don't think there are really significant permanent gains in this spot yet)

Mid Feb 2026

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In the shower when using cleanser on face, I began to notice and feel a hard mass around the lower part of the ramus, so permanent scar tissue gains are already happening, in addition to the fact that the swelling looks far better than it did early Jan 2026 (why? because having real underlying growth + swelling means more mass than when you start and your swelling is on top of a lesser bone baseline)

Doing this twice a day morning and night has been a game changer in order to keep swelling and inflammation going; no ridiculous 2-day rest and then resetting progress it seems etc.


Later Feb
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YESTERDAY, MARCH 2 2026​

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Bonus: permanent underlying tissue or vascular damage in the submalar area from going too far inward/near the nose with the hammer when doing cheekbones. Is too soft-tissue dominant and so can't really even grow anyways.

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How to do this:

-DAILY hits, TWICE daily morning and night; cheekbones swell so much that this high frequency to keep pooling alive may not be as needed with them; don't take it too far where there's so much blood pooling and the skin bursts and then you can't hit them for days thereafter

-HAMMER not fists, 16oz not 8oz so the weight makes it easier and better, COMPLETELY FLAT SMOOTH HEAD since your skin will get KILLED if there is any unevenness or scratches. I had this heavy steel ball thing for chin corners, and this allowed to hit more specifically since a hammer head is way too wide to target exactly what you need for that spot. ie- amazon link to the type iirc

-since it is either scar tissue buildup or subperiostal hematoma ossification (unlikely), do medium or soft hits; no head-jostling skin-damaging hard hits needed. I'm doing closer to medium or slightly harder at night and lighter in the morning

-3-5 sets per spot per session, 50-100 reps is what I am doing and have often done when getting results. ie a cheekbone set could be 100 reps moving across it side to side or slightly up and down (don't recommend hitting bottom part of it, made mine a little too bulbous and lower and not fully ideal end shape)

-knowing where to hit: FaceApp morphs of yourself, Claude prompts (say you are getting filler to become as model-tier as possible, don't bother explaining the real mechanism. it is surprisingly objective in helping even with hardmaxxes and stuff). Being truly SHREDDED and debloated so you FULLY know where your bone structure stands and don't have a distorted end result when you finally do get lean to reveal changes. Being shredded for the months ending 2025 helped me fully see that my jaw corners needed work, no copes.
+ To an extent using swelling as a guide, seeing how swelling certain areas in certain ways alters your look; a decent but not 100% perfect proxy of future results (and if it is uncanny you also may have hit too hard/long and the high swelling is the issue, not growth on the bone for you in general)

-Supplements: vitamins d3, k2, c; magnesium; calcium (in case this is actual bone growth mechanisms); possibly collagen; etc. Many of these are in multivitamins but I take more magnesium and calcium to hit 100%DV and have a dedicated d3/k2 supp as well

-Skin damage: using a layer of beef tallow for skin or something on spots you hit; trying to avoid friction with the hammer head and using "quick" hits in a way hard to fully explain; I'm doing lots of topical GHK-CU on jaw corners to try to prevent too much skin damage from accumulating and screwing me like with that submalar area

-Hitting ramus/gonions without masseter interference: gonions are the under side of the jaw corner and are easier, and you can do them from straight under or like 45 degrees; I'm not really doing them because the swelling squares me in a blocky way that seems to look bad. I'm mainly doing the first 3/4ths of an inch of the ramus, mainly the lower part of this range starting down by the jaw corner point going up n down. To avoid masseter blocking, be shredded, turn head to side a bit, neck forward and jutting lower jaw, teeth/jaws apart a bit, and duck face to make skin more taut. These are nuances hard to fully explain that you kind of have to figure out

How do u deal with bonesmashing acne,

Do you do it on indras? Scared of results looking like loox or Kent side profile

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

How do u deal with bonesmashing acne,

Do you do it on indras? Scared of results looking like loox or Kent side profile

Infras, like to sides of eyes or where exactly
The only part to be afraid of overdoing is cheekbones if you aren’t shredded and if you grow out the lateral and bottom parts too much

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

They aren’t too much in some lightings or settings but in others it throws things off

 

[solodolo]

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They aren’t too much in some lightings or settings but in others it throws things off

Mogger

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Mogger

True htn

 

[solodolo]

True htn

Always thought htns were usually lower in angularity and dimorphism. You gotta be higher than that, dude.

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Always thought htns were usually lower in angularity and dimorphism. You gotta be higher than that, dude.

Hhtn on good days, some may say low chadlite but realistically I think that’s a whole different tier
After more upper midface filler and jaw improvements with bonesmashing, solid CL I think

It’s convenient that my flaws, which are related to eye area and nose and upper midface (less so after first round filler), are all covered in face-covered or half-face pics, haha. Yet I’m such an honest person that I’ll correct people if they assume I am higher-tier than I truly think I am right now. I’d say that the features I can show without self-doxx may be CL level, but having some of those middle of face things be more normie brings me down

 

[solodolo]

Hhtn on good days, some may say low chadlite but realistically I think that’s a whole different tier
After more upper midface filler and jaw improvements with bonesmashing, solid CL I think

It’s convenient that my flaws, which are related to eye area and nose and upper midface (less so after first round filler), are all covered in face-covered or half-face pics, haha. Yet I’m such an honest person that I’ll correct people if they assume I am higher-tier than I truly think I am right now. I’d say that the features I can show without self-doxx may be CL level, but having some of those middle of face things be more normie brings me down

Already got your first round of upper midface filler?

 

[YIBUTI_]

so... u just debloated??

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

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Late 2025 to recent and same or less leanness, so just random ramus widening in 10 weeks in my young 20s

Way more prominent cheekbones not just bf see the old pics
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All of your pictures are shit and do not convey anything other than leanness

Where are the measurements, the bone scans,

Did you take all of these pictures and not measure your skull even once?

Stop giving yourself cte and just get a lobotomy instead

 

[diablo2k.]

Infras, like to sides of eyes or where exactly
The only part to be afraid of overdoing is cheekbones if you aren’t shredded and if you grow out the lateral and bottom parts too much

I mean infras to fix undereye issues like pigmentation and hollowing. Lmk bro I don’t trust smashing that part

 

[Sulfuras]

Mirin
but how much do you think your use of PED has helped achieve results (if it did anything at all) and are same or atleast to some extent results possible to achieve naturally

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I mean infras to fix undereye issues like pigmentation and hollowing. Lmk bro I don’t trust smashing that part

Some have, I really haven’t
Fat grafting probably

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Mirin
but how much do you think your use of PED has helped achieve results (if it did anything at all) and are same or atleast to some extent results possible to achieve naturally

You mean for face not physique right?
Did you read the post in detail? PEDs were years ago and the jaw corners changes were in these last 2.5 months, for example lol

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

All of your pictures are shit and do not convey anything other than leanness

Where are the measurements, the bone scans,

Did you take all of these pictures and not measure your skull even once?

Stop giving yourself cte and just get a lobotomy instead

This is the bottom of my chin today

Go compare to almost any of the older pics, such as from this one

If u can not see that the blatant unevenness on the bottom (forget the width change, forget jaw corners change especially shown in recent update comments including with clips in motion from late 2025 vs now) seen in many of the older pics is easily far more even now, then idek what to say

This is so lame tbh

and gets ridiculous when I’ve been equally lean for months and yet ramus width suddenly far greater

There’s the “no changes” camp, and then the “fillers/implants” camp, and id say the latter seems more reasonable and less retarded, at least in my POV

 

[Seeyenar]

2. You got slightly more facial bone mass as you aged.

Just naturally experience sporadic jaw bone growth in the span of a few weeks at 23 years old theory

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Just naturally experience sporadic jaw bone growth in the span of a few weeks at 23 years old theory

There’s people here who would rather say that god capriciously and instantaneously blessed me with a facial transformation miracle than to submit to the fact that it is well grounded that hitting some part of the body kinda hard for a couple mins with a hammer 3x per day will result in some sort of compensation healing cascade

 

[maxx92765]

There’s people here who would rather say that god capriciously and instantaneously blessed me with a facial transformation miracle than to submit to the fact that it is well grounded that hitting some part of the body kinda hard for a couple mins with a hammer 3x per day will result in some sort of compensation healing cascade

good read LMFAO

 

[Sulfuras]

You mean for face not physique right?
Did you read the post in detail? PEDs were years ago and the jaw corners changes were in these last 2.5 months, for example lol

I did read it, I just saw a lot of people talk about how results of bones smashing will mainly be achieved if you are taking PEDs, mainly AI. I do not have a lot of knowledge about it or for how long certain effects last or the necessity of using them so I'm just asking

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

I did read it, I just saw a lot of people talk about how results of bones smashing will mainly be achieved if you are taking PEDs, mainly AI. I do not have a lot of knowledge about it or for how long certain effects last or the necessity of using them so I'm just asking

Yeah it doesn’t line up with my case really at all, but I think a decent bit of my cheekbone mass was built during thet time, since this might be the one part that can still do ok with low frequency

 

[iblamezygomaticbone]

dnr but mirin

 

[maxx92765]

Yeah it doesn’t line up with my case really at all, but I think a decent bit of my cheekbone mass was built during thet time, since this might be the one part that can still do ok with low frequency

mom wake up this second spectrum just posted

 

[Trvecel67]

dnr but BOTB worthy

 

[0 bone mass]

@SpectrumAesthetics3 Nigger get a ceph or ct and post asap

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

@SpectrumAesthetics3 Nigger get a ceph or ct and post asap

Need to figure out what scans would show scar tissue mass and confirm with a doctor jt isn’t normal etc
Bone scans even if it was real bone growth mean nothing without a before scan

 

[r1ght]

What do you think of using a massage gun with a solid end for bs

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

What do you think of using a massage gun with a solid end for bs

Need to figure out what scans would show scar tissue mass and confirm with a doctor jt isn’t normal etc
Bone scans even if it was real bone growth mean nothing without a before scan

Same question tbh

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

What do you think of using a massage gun with a solid end for bs

Same question tbh

H as met just works well enough and gives so much control, I like it
More force also
There was something awkward about the one time I tried a massage gun for it a long time ago and it’s just hard to explain

 

[solodolo]

H as met just works well enough and gives so much control, I like it
More force also
There was something awkward about the one time I tried a massage gun for it a long time ago and it’s just hard to explain

It can irritate the nerves

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

H as met just works well enough and gives so much control, I like it
More force also
There was something awkward about the one time I tried a massage gun for it a long time ago and it’s just hard to explain

*hammer, 16oz

 

[Deleted member 380070]

Can you pm me as i'm 'new'? I'd like to have a chat first talking about the lads who are using your plan to bs and then a question out of curiosity.Keep it up m8

 

[CalulArgintiu59]

Not to discredit ur transformation, but it clearly looks like ur masseters also hypertrophied from roids creating the hallow cheeks! But nice transformation

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Not to discredit ur transformation, but it clearly looks like ur masseters also hypertrophied from roids creating the hallow cheeks! But nice transformation

It was not what happened in my case

Looking back I should have added more context about when I was and was not using roids

For reference, these are the last pics from on roids (stopped them the week after these pics), with the jaw still small and rounded and no hollows at all until way after

For reference this is my general view on the masseter growth aesthetics question, and my experience with it:

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

Thread 'Getting Personal | 1yr ago today (15%+ bloatlord & hell on earth) vs. now | If you don’t have this mindset, it’s over | Starving on PSMF'
^ new post

 

[SpectrumAesthetics3]

@Seeyenar @maxx92765 @BananaBandit Alright, so guys, you know how there’s all these dudes in the comments intent on getting super aggressive in declaring the results to be non-bonesmashing and calling me XYZ?

and then not at all attempting to deep-dive analyze my post and the pics progression to add some attempt at substantiation to their “rebuttal”

and then who FAIL TO RESPOND when pressed, YET leave up their original comment?


As though their unproven and inflaming comment can just fucking stand there as is, almost always falling under the categories enumerated near the top of the post:

Such as this true statesman @Gaygymmaxx , who is the most recent of these, some forum “OG” who to me just proves the general worthlessness of the “OG class” [ with the crucial exception of some greats like Amnesia ]

Endless essays of cope

1. You got leaner
2. You got slightly more facial bone mass as you aged.

I then responded with the early 2026 lower third changes and with pics of how overdeveloped the cheekbones got from a literal flat starting place even when lean.

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Late 2025 to recent and same or less leanness, so just random ramus widening in 10 weeks in my young 20s

Way more prominent cheekbones not just bf see the old pics
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And Seeyenar says this

Just naturally experience sporadic jaw bone growth in the span of a few weeks at 23 years old theory

Then OG responds:

All of your pictures are shit and do not convey anything other than leanness

Where are the measurements, the bone scans,

Did you take all of these pictures and not measure your skull even once?

Stop giving yourself cte and just get a lobotomy instead

-Doesn’t explain or show why the post, which took a lot of hours to make with compiling many representative pics across periods along with various descriptions and notes, has zero valid pictures; it’s just “All of your pictures are shit” and “leanness” is the explanatory force, apparently. Despite such great efforts to differentiate facial changes from this that are seen in the post. Not debunked whatsoever

-And then a lack of measurements, bone scans, yes actually, I never measured my skull even once. First, I don’t claim bone changes, LOL, but for him to know this he’d have to really dig into the text and then the comments, to be apprised of this whole dense collagenenous mass scar tissue business. Some scan types could show this I guess. And then it’s acted as though it is utterly ridiculous to have posted this or to claim facial changes WITHOUT having done these things previously.

-The thing is, if I had taken the post, all pics all text, and replaced “bonesmashing” with “got X.YML filler in Z spots before these pics”, and had written it all as a filler progression post: then there wouldn’t have been these absurd burdens of proof to validate facial changes beyond the obviousness of the pics AND CLIPS in motion in the comments.

But apparently the standard of proof applied to me is not that which is applied to filler or implant claims. As though that makes any fucking sense. As though a user could not have just morphed their before state to make a fake after or the reverse even.

And then the kindly comment “just get a lobotomy” at the end, to put the cherry on top of an “exchange” that exemplifies much of what is fucked with this forum in 2026


Where “fuck around and find out” is no longer the spirit, and practitioners of this mindset are just as likely to be slammed as to be praised. Where any real discussion is completely shut down by the one-sided types of exchanges, which again END WITH THEM NOT DEFENDING THEIR SHIT.

Additionally, if these users think bonesmashing is retarded, think that I’m delusional and retarded, think that no one should try it: well, it is laughable how the immense movement created via my post would likely not have happened if any of them had a high-iq rebuttal post that really seemed to carry weight and make sense, or a comment rebuttal like this that actually went anywhere near the depths of my combined post & comments of more pics/clips/details.

So, these users have some options, but this status quo will not fucking persist:

[ And guess what, it’s not a fucking option to say “It’s not even worth my time.” You do not get to leave the types of comments and then fail to elaborate, shutting down all discussion; to call someone a LIAR/RETARDED and then ignore their replies; this behavior is no longer going to be tolerated ]

1. Write a post or comment rebuttal of my stuff with depth near that or equal/greater to that of my full post, pics, clips, and all details in the post and 5 pages comments in their totality
2. Comment that that you read more of the content in the post and comments and no longer stand by your original comment, and that, who knows, MAYBE hitting an area kinda hard 3x a day with a 16oz hammer for several minutes total each day, MAYBE this just happens to be aligned with scar tissue accumulation pathways, such as detailed in the comments. Instead of axiomatically and authoritatively claiming this is leanness or something
3. Get a mod to delete your comment, if you now think this is warranted
4. Fail to be upright and reasonable and go with one of the above 3 options, and instead get harassed for this ridiculous behavior until you do

This business of making STRONG claims, getting REPLIES from me, often with effort, and then DROPPING OFF entirely, will NOT continue

And you as well @Grievous , somehow you were banned literally during this conversation in the other thread linked below

(Pics) Chin becoming uncanny from bonesmashing - here was the mistake (design ur structure right)

Was like this a few weeks ago, @Cheat_Win said to make it wider Here’s wit swelling a few days ago Here’s a natural Chad lower third for reference (Hexum) You see how with Chad structures, the chin aesthetically BLENDS into the mandible? Vs mine which was starting to look SEPARATED and...

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^And yet ur not getting out of this. Respond to me there or here.

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To the tagged users at the top, you seen me talk about kindnessmaxxing and the protagonist pill, wanting to actually be associated tightly with these ideas in this toxic space of jerks and narcs and grifters and useless influencers, etc., and you know the type of person I am. So it’s kind of always a shock that people like these commenters even exist, with such a lack of internal ethics to not feel automatically compelled to proceed with one of the above-outlined 3 legitimate response options that this situation gives them, instead having to have me write this. I just can’t imagine doing anything close to this tbh.

And it isn't like these people are going to be quite like this IRL, of course, but even to be a "normal" person IRL and to then get your kicks from repulsive online behavior seems to betray some sort of real internal depravity; no solid people would do this

But kindnessmaxxers are the future as far as I am concerned, and I want no business with anything resembling these distasteful persons IRL ever; nothing good comes of it in the end. And the times I’ve gotten kinda screwed, I’d seen the general flaws of the person or the specific instances of their unacceptable behavior towards someone in some way, but overlooked it as a fluke or something or thinking similar things would not affect me one day. Yet, they did.
So, as soon as there is the slightest amount of real pettiness, unfairness, unreasonableness, cruelty, dishonesty etc. is shown, and it is NOT some sort of freak occurrence with the absolute strongest extenuating factors of all time, then TOSS THEM into the bin of unreliables and NEVER go back to smell the garbage. Because a decent part of nicemaxxing and enjoying the protagonist pill lifestyle is not letting those with the opposite dispositions encumber us with headaches and complications and mental drains that together only oppose the good we want to do for others in our everyday life.