Is it irresponsible to bring kids in less than ideal conditions

[Jason Voorhees]

Having kids is immoral

Anti-natalism is the only truth of this world Denying is only cope WE yes YOU and ME would have all been better off if we were never born in the first place and it would be selfish/immoral of us to have kids of our own

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Bringing a child into less-than-ideal conditions can produce extraordinary people because hardship often forges resilience, grit, and drive. Many icons Oprah (poverty and abuse), Einstein (early failures), or Rowling (welfare single mom) turned adversity into fuel. Struggle builds empathy, problem-solving, and hunger for success that privileged upbringings rarely match, proving greatness isn't inherited but earned through overcoming obstacles.

The counterargument is that these success stories are rare exceptions in a system rigged against the disadvantaged. Poverty, trauma, poor education, and lack of networks permanently limit most people's potential, with studies showing low upward mobility and lasting effects on health and cognition. Romanticizing "rags to riches" ignores how privilege enables the majority of high achievers, making shitty backgrounds more likely to bury talent than unleash it.

 

[TechnoBoss]

I think kids throughout most of history have been born into less-than-ideal situations. If it were irresponsible to have kids because you live a hunter gatherer life & live in a cave, we'd have never existed. And as you said, less than ideal conditions (poverty, family members died, etc) can produce strong people. It can also produce drug addicts who steal and live on skid row, but that's for a different thread

 

[kisuke]

Having kids is immoral

Anti-natalism is the only truth of this world Denying is only cope WE yes YOU and ME would have all been better off if we were never born in the first place and it would be selfish/immoral of us to have kids of our own

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Continuation and my
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Uses Chatgpt ro summaries my thoughts into 2 small paragraph

Bringing a child into less-than-ideal conditions can produce extraordinary people because hardship often forges resilience, grit, and drive. Many icons Oprah (poverty and abuse), Einstein (early failures), or Rowling (welfare single mom) turned adversity into fuel. Struggle builds empathy, problem-solving, and hunger for success that privileged upbringings rarely match, proving greatness isn't inherited but earned through overcoming obstacles.

The counterargument is that these success stories are rare exceptions in a system rigged against the disadvantaged. Poverty, trauma, poor education, and lack of networks permanently limit most people's potential, with studies showing low upward mobility and lasting effects on health and cognition. Romanticizing "rags to riches" ignores how privilege enables the majority of high achievers, making shitty backgrounds more likely to bury talent than unleash it.

like you said , if you're going off of likeliness , the chances of a kid born in less than ideal conditions becoming exceptional are extremely low , the most rational choice as an adult would be to bring kids into this world only if you can provide them with a good quality of life and upbringing , and also if you can pass good genetics to them in my opinion . but we both know this will never happen , the reproductive instinct will always surpass those rational thoughts and people will keep having kids no matter the situation they're in that's just how our world is

 

[Incelforeever]

The financial condition don’t matter, the genetic condition is what u should look at. Do u have good bones? High iq? Tall etc. Hardships do crest special people but how many people u never hear about that crumbled to hardships because they didn’t have the proper genetics to overcome them

 

[kisuke]

The financial condition don’t matter, the genetic condition is what u should look at. Do u have good bones? High iq? Tall etc. Hardships do crest special people but how many people u never hear about that crumbled to hardships because they didn’t have the proper genetics to overcome them

100% you can bring your kids into a multi million dollar household and a great network of people if their genetics are not up to par their existence will still be miserable

 

[ikramy]

So you’re basically saying it’s morally wrong cause suffering is guaranteed but pleasure isn’t, and you’re also a reason for the existence of another human being into the same existential crisis.

Look dude I’d have agreed with that if I wasn’t believing in god, there is no other answer that I’m aware of to justify bringing kids into this life tbh.

 

[nsk4ll]

yes

Having kids is immoral

Anti-natalism is the only truth of this world Denying is only cope WE yes YOU and ME would have all been better off if we were never born in the first place and it would be selfish/immoral of us to have kids of our own

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Continuation and my
thoughts

Uses Chatgpt ro summaries my thoughts into 2 small paragraph

Bringing a child into less-than-ideal conditions can produce extraordinary people because hardship often forges resilience, grit, and drive. Many icons Oprah (poverty and abuse), Einstein (early failures), or Rowling (welfare single mom) turned adversity into fuel. Struggle builds empathy, problem-solving, and hunger for success that privileged upbringings rarely match, proving greatness isn't inherited but earned through overcoming obstacles.

The counterargument is that these success stories are rare exceptions in a system rigged against the disadvantaged. Poverty, trauma, poor education, and lack of networks permanently limit most people's potential, with studies showing low upward mobility and lasting effects on health and cognition. Romanticizing "rags to riches" ignores how privilege enables the majority of high achievers, making shitty backgrounds more likely to bury talent than unleash it.

 

[kisuke]

I’d have agreed with that if I wasn’t believing in god

the fact that your rational brain agrees with him but your belief in god stops you from agreeing is wild . religion truly is the greatest brainwashing tool , you're literally stopping yourself from thinking because of god lol

 

[Eskorbutin]

Yes. I actually don't want kids because I don't think anyone deserves being brought in the world that is coming and also I would be a terrific parent

 

[Daddy's Home]

The poor are getting poorer, the rich richer. Today's young middle class no longer wants to reproduce, they just want to survive..

Access to information through technology allows normies to step outside their existential bubble and better understand the miserable lives they lead..

Before that, they would have believed that this was reality in general, that all people lived like this, and that there was no alternative, so all you could do was reproduce regardless of conditions and environment.

 

[ikramy]

the fact that your rational brain agrees with him but your belief in god stops you from agreeing is wild . religion truly is the greatest brainwashing tool , you're literally stopping yourself from thinking because of god lol

I’ve read Benatar and even leaned antinatalist myself at one point, so the idea that religion stopped me from thinking is false. I thought through the argument and rejected it, Calling every axiomatic disagreement brainwashing is very dumb and it shows your low intellect level clearly.

 

[reptiles]

Having kids is immoral

Anti-natalism is the only truth of this world Denying is only cope WE yes YOU and ME would have all been better off if we were never born in the first place and it would be selfish/immoral of us to have kids of our own

looksmax.org

Continuation and my
thoughts

Uses Chatgpt ro summaries my thoughts into 2 small paragraph

Bringing a child into less-than-ideal conditions can produce extraordinary people because hardship often forges resilience, grit, and drive. Many icons Oprah (poverty and abuse), Einstein (early failures), or Rowling (welfare single mom) turned adversity into fuel. Struggle builds empathy, problem-solving, and hunger for success that privileged upbringings rarely match, proving greatness isn't inherited but earned through overcoming obstacles.

The counterargument is that these success stories are rare exceptions in a system rigged against the disadvantaged. Poverty, trauma, poor education, and lack of networks permanently limit most people's potential, with studies showing low upward mobility and lasting effects on health and cognition. Romanticizing "rags to riches" ignores how privilege enables the majority of high achievers, making shitty backgrounds more likely to bury talent than unleash it.

Well bro your high iq migrate to the west and have kids here