Is it possible to become HTN

[Mr Lurk]

I broke down what Failos I have in another thread, but I would really appreciate more advice on what people think would help me the most.
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Any tips are welcome, epecially any advice on how to obtain and prepare for a ct scan and get a consultation.

 

[7Azcendr7]

Probably not but you can always try.

 

[3onyx]

def not but wouldn't hurt to try

 

[vermicel]

I broke down what Failos I have in another thread, but I would really appreciate more advice on what people think would help me the most.
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Your worst feature is actually your upper & lower facial contour.
- upper contour : hairline, temporal peaks, temporal transition from peaks to sideburns
- lower contour : gonions, mandible, chin

Your bitemporal width is the first thing that caught my eye. It's way too broad proportionately to your bizygomatic width and gives you that unfortunate Megamind head shape. I don't think the issue stems from androgenetic alopecia ; it's probably just a poor design you were born with.
Your chin is too tall, with a 3:1 chin to philtrum ratio (ideal range = 2.0-2.5 or 2.2-2.6). My guess is that its shape is rather narrow and pointy under the current fat layer.
The jaw frontal angle is too obtuse.
The combination of those last two flaws puts you in the "ogre" category.

The second worst is your eye area. You broke it down quite accurately in that other thread.

The third worst is your mouth and lips. Downturned commissure and retracted lower lip (causing unideal proportion with the upper lip).

These 3 aspects are the only ones I would suggest addressing.

How to fix facial contour ?
Upper contour : unless you're actually suffering from AGA and you have a bad family history of hair loss, I believe the best treatment would be a hairline lowering surgery (also called forehead reduction), because it would not only improve hairline positioning but also allow to bring forward the whole temporal outline (from peak to sideburn), while retaining original hair density and angulation. On the other hand, a hair transplant would most likely screw with both density and angulation along that temporal outline (the hairline itself could turn out ok).
Lower contour : if leaning out naturally isn't enough (as alluded to in that other thread), go for strategic fat removal along the jawline with liposuction and fat dissolvers. Then, possibly vertical chin reduction and v-line jaw surgery. Depending on the chin shape revealed after fat loss, an horizontal genioplasty and/or a custom chin implant may be necessary to achieve a proper shape (i.e. wide enough and flat at the bottom). Finally, you may or may not benefit from augmenting your bigonial width and fine-tuning your jawline with fillers (Juvederm Volux, Radiesse, etc.).

How to fix the eye area ?
In that other thread, you mentioned blepharoplasty, canthopexy, fat grafting, and infraorbital implants.
Instead, I'd rather suggest ptosis repair, canthoplasty, and lower lid retraction repair.
Infraorbital hollows only stick out from the side ; you'd need a scan and an in-person consultation with an oculoplastic surgeon to determine what's causing this, and to then determine the appropriate treatment (if need be).
Anyway, don't expect to fix every small asymmetry and flaw in your eye area. A general improvement after adressing the most obvious flaws should be enough.

How to fix the mouth ?
Corner lip lift to address the downturned commissure.
If orthodontics alone can't offer the right support to your lower lip, then try to augment it with fillers (don't queer yourself out in the process).

The morphs at the top of this post roughly illustrate those suggestions.
Will you become HTN ? No, I don't think your base allows that. But you can still improve your looks and turn out fine, somewhere in the average/ordinary range, which is enough to live a good life.


Side profile is cope, so forget about bimax unless you're eligible for functional reasons. Don't bother with a rhinoplasty either. A septoplasty could be a reasonable decision if your septum is deviated indeed ; and, depending on the country you live in, the procedure could be covered by the State.

how to obtain and prepare for a ct scan and get a consultation

Just get in touch with surgeons/clinics, and they'll get you the paperwork necessary to undergo a CT scan.

 

[lurking truecel]

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Your worst feature is actually your upper & lower facial contour.
- upper contour : hairline, temporal peaks, temporal transition from peaks to sideburns
- lower contour : gonions, mandible, chin

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Your bitemporal width is the first thing that caught my eye. It's way too broad proportionately to your bizygomatic width and gives you that unfortunate Megamind head shape. I don't think the issue stems from androgenetic alopecia ; it's probably just a poor design you were born with.
Your chin is too tall, with a 3:1 chin to philtrum ratio (ideal range = 2.0-2.5 or 2.2-2.6). My guess is that its shape is rather narrow and pointy under the current fat layer.
The jaw frontal angle is too obtuse.
The combination of those last two flaws puts you in the "ogre" category.

The second worst is your eye area. You broke it down quite accurately in that other thread.

The third worst is your mouth and lips. Downturned commissure and retracted lower lip (causing unideal proportion with the upper lip).

These 3 aspects are the only ones I would suggest addressing.

How to fix facial contour ?
Upper contour : unless you're actually suffering from AGA and you have a bad family history of hair loss, I believe the best treatment would be a hairline lowering surgery (also called forehead reduction), because it would not only improve hairline positioning but also allow to bring forward the whole temporal outline (from peak to sideburn), while retaining original hair density and angulation. On the other hand, a hair transplant would most likely screw with both density and angulation along that temporal outline (the hairline itself could turn out ok).
Lower contour : if leaning out naturally isn't enough (as alluded to in that other thread), go for strategic fat removal along the jawline with liposuction and fat dissolvers. Then, possibly vertical chin reduction and v-line jaw surgery. Depending on the chin shape revealed after fat loss, an horizontal genioplasty and/or a custom chin implant may be necessary to achieve a proper shape (i.e. wide enough and flat at the bottom). Finally, you may or may not benefit from augmenting your bigonial width and fine-tuning your jawline with fillers (Juvederm Volux, Radiesse, etc.).

How to fix the eye area ?
In that other thread, you mentioned blepharoplasty, canthopexy, fat grafting, and infraorbital implants.
Instead, I'd rather suggest ptosis repair, canthoplasty, and lower lid retraction repair.
Infraorbital hollows only stick out from the side ; you'd need a scan and an in-person consultation with an oculoplastic surgeon to determine what's causing this, and to then determine the appropriate treatment (if need be).
Anyway, don't expect to fix every small asymmetry and flaw in your eye area. A general improvement after adressing the most obvious flaws should be enough.

How to fix the mouth ?
Corner lip lift to address the downturned commissure.
If orthodontics alone can't offer the right support to your lower lip, then try to augment it with fillers (don't queer yourself out in the process).

The morphs at the top of this post roughly illustrate those suggestions.
Will you become HTN ? No, I don't think your base allows that. But you can still improve your looks and turn out fine, somewhere in the average/ordinary range, which is enough to live a good life.


Side profile is cope, so forget about bimax unless you're eligible for functional reasons. Don't bother with a rhinoplasty either. A septoplasty could be a reasonable decision if your septum is deviated indeed ; and, depending on the country you live in, the procedure could be covered by the State.



Just get in touch with surgeons/clinics, and they'll get you the paperwork necessary to undergo a CT scan.

jaw shaving and some form of cranial surgery to make the size smaller. Thats what you edited. Thats not really useful for anyone. Better to just say its over at that point

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Yeah it’s over

 

[lurking truecel]

Try to take the front photo from 3 meter away parrelel to your eyes. Now you took the pic from below so it doesnt really say much

 

[vermicel]

jaw shaving and some form of cranial surgery to make the size smaller. Thats what you edited.

No cranial surgery involved. The cranium isn't altered. Only the hairy outline from the hairline down to the sideburns. It can be done by excising the excess skin, assuming laxity allows it. If laxity doesn't allow it, then he could resort to a regular hair transplant, although working on that area is quite complex due to hair angulation, hair diameter, and skin thickness.
As for jaw shaving : yes, depending on what fat loss would reveal in that area. He would probably need vertical reduction of the chin anyway.

you took the pic from below so it doesnt really say much

correct
the angle is not ideal

 

[vermicel]

@lurking truecel @Lookologist003 (@valentine I guess it's related to the thread you published some time ago)

This case should convince you :

Not a cranial surgery though ! Just a skin extending device. It's still a useful tool to treat certain dermatological diseases ; and it used to be quite the hype in hair restoration surgery back in the 1980-1990's (see Frechet extender, for example), before follicular transplants became the new gold standard in the early 2000's. In hindsight, I think those scalp extenders could still be useful nowadays to treat severe baldness in the crown area, but marketing/propaganda from hair transplant clinics has made those techniques too barbaric in the eye of the average patient.

 

[Lookologist003]

No cranial surgery involved. The cranium isn't altered. Only the hairy outline from the hairline down to the sideburns

You enchadified his temple bones inadvertently. OP's shit's too wide.

This case should convince you :

That woman has a terrible hairline but no craniofacial deformity. It didn't convince me, but it does interest me.

Brutal combined yaw and roll axis temporal plane deformity. Better keep that hair long because you have no brow definition. Your orbital box just smooths into your head.

But forget that for a minute and focus on your incelish airway. Dude, get your government to pay for your bimax. Your oral cavity must barely keep your tongue. That geniohyoid distance is just

You need a bimax pronto. How can you even sleep when your tongue is trying to mercy kill you?

 

[Lookologist003]

You need a bimax pronto. How can you even sleep when your tongue is trying to mercy kill you?

I'm about to mercy kill GIMP in a second. Piece of shit software can't even keep the color profile right. I said keep color profile, damn you GIMP.

 

[Mr Lurk]

Alright so the main issues I'm seeing are that I should reincarnate as a beautiful norwegian man...

In all seriousness, I'm still a little lost on how to fix my head shape / Contouring or resolve the other issues. If anyone has advice on getting a ct scan and getting in contact with a surgeon for a bimax or a consensus on best surgeries would be appreciated.

The main point I'm seeing is trying to fix the eyes and mouth. How does one unfuck their skull shape...?

I'm about to mercy kill GIMP in a second. Piece of shit software can't even keep the color profile right. I said keep color profile, damn you GIMP.

 

[Lookologist003]

getting in contact with a surgeon for a bimax or a consensus on best surgeries would be appreciated.

I may be hallucinating. Didn't you say that you were a candidate for free jaw surgery because of sleep apnea?

 

[Mr Lurk]

I may be hallucinating. Didn't you say that you were a candidate for free jaw surgery because of sleep apnea?

I have a lot of issues sleeping, doctors are taking a long time to diagnose. Even if I was able to get a bimax covered by insurance I've heard people are typically underwhelmed with the results. In a perfect world I could get a ct scan to more objectively address my structural issues and see a blackpilled surgeon.

TLDR: No diagnosed sleep apnea.

At this point all I can point out are anectdotal or personal observations. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell that I'm pretty recessed. Lmk ur thoughts tho

 

[Lookologist003]

In a perfect world I could get a ct scan to more objectively address my structural issues and see a blackpilled surgeon.

In your consultation with a surgeon they'll refer you for a CT scan if you don't have a recent one. You need a referral from a doctor to get a CT scan of your facial skeleton.

 

[vermicel]

You enchadified his temple bones inadvertently.

That woman has a terrible hairline but no craniofacial deformity. It didn't convince me, but it does interest me.

You missed the point.
By bringing the whole hairy temporal outline forward, the so-called deformity will be at least partially camouflaged by hair growth.
Many people have fucked up skulls but never realize it unless they shave their hair down with no guard.

Let me re-explain the process :

Skin in the red area (more or less) is excised, and the suture will bring the hairy outline forward, thus allowing hair to grow where the skin was bare before. No bone is altered in the process.
The main limitation to this plan is skin/scalp laxity, which obviously varies from one individual to the other. As illustrated in my previous post, some dermatological devices can extend the skin to allow safer excision of large areas and better scar healing. I know that one can do scalp exercises to prepare the occipital area before a strip of scalp is harvested (FUT technique). Same idea here.

Just as the hairline can be brought downward by skin excision ...

... both the temporal peaks and the temporal transition can be brought forward.
I can't be arsed to find illustrative pictures, although I'm sure they do exist. Maybe on Dr. Aharonov's instagram, for example.

 

[Lookologist003]

By bringing the whole hairy temporal outline forward, the so-called deformity will be at least partially camouflaged by hair growth.

I already thought that through as I was doing the morph thingy. Sort of this works? If the hair is dense enough. In OPs case, I doubt. it will do anything. I've been through this refutation of just framing your face extremely hard with somebody in my DMs. But it's no good when the temple bones are so extremely amiss.

Many people have fucked up skulls but never realize it unless they shave their hair down with no guard.

There are degrees of fucked up.

temporal transition can be brought forward.

That transition is thin hair where the skull shape shines through.

This guy's hairline is a bit high, but his temple bones aren't rounded.


And It's not a "so-called deformity". Is having no jawline a so-called deformity? But you can come to terms with craniofacial plane angles.