is it possible to have a droopy lower eyelid with forward grown infras

[axttt_]

my infras are forward grown but my lower lid looks droopy somehow

 

[psychomandible]

Tired fella

 

[axttt_]

Tired fella

5-6 hours of sleep is enough nigga

 

[axttt_]

@NZb6Air
@greycel

 

[greycel]

my infras are forward grown but my lower lid looks droopy somehow

Do you by chance not have any crease under your eye?

The crease I mentioned in this thread:

The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that. It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus "Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin." I'm referring...

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[axttt_]

Do you by chance not have any crease under your eye?

The crease I mentioned in this thread:

The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that. It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus "Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin." I'm referring...

looksmax.org

i think i have a little bit of creasing

 

[axttt_]

Do you by chance not have any crease under your eye?

The crease I mentioned in this thread:

The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that. It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus "Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin." I'm referring...

looksmax.org

why is this relevant

 

[cobicado901]

Do you by chance not have any crease under your eye?

The crease I mentioned in this thread:

The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that. It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus "Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin." I'm referring...

looksmax.org

nigga i know you are online, wheres your thread buddy

 

[greycel]

i think i have a little bit of creasing

Your lower lid doesn't look droopy bro
It might just have to do with the shape of your lower eyelid, which is affected by the shape of your Infra bone

Your eye aea looks good man, what ethnicity are you

 

[axttt_]

Your lower lid doesn't look droopy bro
It might just have to do with the shape of your lower eyelid, which is affected by the shape of your Infra bone

Your eye aea looks good man, what ethnicity are you

this is how it looks on a good day some days it looks droopy
also if it’s the shape of my infra essentially i’m fucked?
i was under the impression it was to do with soft tissue at my lateral canthus and a canthoplasty would fix my issue
i’m greek turkish mixed

 

[axttt_]

Your lower lid doesn't look droopy bro
It might just have to do with the shape of your lower eyelid, which is affected by the shape of your Infra bone

Your eye aea looks good man, what ethnicity are you

could sleep deprivation be a factor bcz i sleep 5-6 hours a night

 

[greycel]

this is how it looks on a good day some days it looks droopy
also if it’s the shape of my infra essentially i’m fucked?
i was under the impression it was to do with soft tissue at my lateral canthus and a canthoplasty would fix my issue
i’m greek turkish mixed

Since it's very marginal (if so), soft tissue augmentation should be enough to help it

 

[axttt_]

Since it's very marginal (if so), soft tissue augmentation should be enough to help it

okay thank you bro

 

[greycel]

could sleep deprivation be a factor bcz i sleep 5-6 hours a night

It might make muscle function weaker that over time can lead to droopy eye appearance. Try to get 8hrs of sleep

 

[Zenis]

my infras are forward grown but my lower lid looks droopy somehow

I mean maybe I have that, everyone I’ve sent my eyes too have said my infra/malar region is very prominent yet I thought I had reccesed infras due to this

Do you by chance not have any crease under your eye?

The crease I mentioned in this thread:

The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that. It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus "Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin." I'm referring...

looksmax.org

Oh yeah this is what I have

 

[Zenis]

It might make muscle function weaker that over time can lead to droopy eye appearance. Try to get 8hrs of sleep

Maybe it has to due with how high set the infra orbital bone is.. I don’t know if that’s a thing but just a theory

 

[Alucard69]

I mean maybe I have that, everyone I’ve sent my eyes too have said my infra/malar region is very prominent yet I thought I had reccesed infras due to this


Oh yeah this is what I have

It's more important for the infraorbital rim to be placed higher than how much it's forward tbh, much more so i'm speculating

 

[Zenis]

It's more important for the infraorbital rim to be placed higher than how much it's forward tbh, much more so i'm speculating

Yeah you can have a positive orbital vector but if you still have that gap between your eye lid and infra if you know what I’m talking about your lower lid is stil gonna be droopy.

 

[Alucard69]

Yeah you can have a positive orbital vector but if you still have that gap between your eye lid and infra if you know what I’m talking about your lower lid is stil gonna be droopy.

Sean o'pry has a negative orbital vector, and his undereyes mog hard. Idk where some people got the idea that he has bad support?? Maybe he has slight eyebags now that he's old, but that's it.

 

[Zenis]

Sean o'pry has a negative orbital vector, and his undereyes mog hard. Idk where some people got the idea that he has bad support?? Maybe he has slight eyebags now that he's old, but that's it.

Because he’s like 30 years old now his eyes are Defenitly gonna be more droopy then they were at 20

 

[axttt_]

Maybe it has to due with how high set the infra orbital bone is.. I don’t know if that’s a thing but just a theory

so would u say the problem is in my infraorbital setness

 

[Zenis]

so would u say the problem is in my infraorbital setness

No your problem is your bad lateral canthus which makes your eyes look droopy your actual Undereyes look perfectly fine

 

[Alucard69]

Because he’s like 30 years old now his eyes are Defenitly gonna be more droopy then they were at 20

I know but i saw some people (@Pei ) for example saying he has shit undereye support. Ok maybe he's a bad example, but other people too. Like wtf is wrong with his undereye support?? In his youth especially it was flawless

 

[Alucard69]

so would u say the problem is in my infraorbital setness

Where is your eyes i want to see

 

[Zenis]

I know but i saw some people (@Pei ) for example saying he has shit undereye support. Ok maybe he's a bad example, but other people too. Like wtf is wrong with his undereye support?? In his youth especially it was flawless

I mean the vector isnt that bad, maybe it looks bad in proportion to how insanely prominent his supra orbitals are

 

[axttt_]

Where is your eyes i want to see

scroll up in thread a bit

 

[axttt_]

No your problem is your bad lateral canthus which makes your eyes look droopy your actual Undereyes look perfectly fine

does the actual bones still look fine from side and 3/4
if so then do you think i should consider a cantho

 

[Alucard69]

I mean the vector isnt that bad, maybe it looks bad in proportion to how insanely prominent his supra orbitals are

Normal is neutral, and he has a negative one i guess, that's what analyzers say too

 

[Zenis]

does the actual bones still look fine from side and 3/4
if so then do you think i should consider a cantho

Yes your bone is good the issue is purely a soft tissue thing

 

[Alucard69]

i think i have a little bit of creasing

Do you have any scleral show with completely relaxed eyes 0 squinching? Be honest

 

[Zenis]

Normal is neutral, and he has a negative one i guess, that's what analyzers say too
View attachment 3345604

They are high set

 

[axttt_]

Do you have any scleral show with completely relaxed eyes 0 squinching? Be honest

some days yes other days none

 

[axttt_]

Do you have any scleral show with completely relaxed eyes 0 squinching? Be honest

but the days i do it’s very minimal

 

[axttt_]

Yes your bone is good the issue is purely a soft tissue thing

cantho?

 

[Zenis]

cantho?

Yes

 

[greycel]

Maybe it has to due with how high set the infra orbital bone is.. I don’t know if that’s a thing but just a theory

It's more important for the infraorbital rim to be placed higher than how much it's forward tbh, much more so i'm speculating

I don't think so. I used to, but I saw this image once:

Look where the bone rim is for her. And she has the absence of a crease.
I have no sclera show, very low PFH between both eyelid rims

But I've got very high LEE though, and I think that's a result of how downgrown (as a result recessed) I am. It used to be less before my periorbital fat sunk. I think by having forward infra bones, you are less likely to be affected (and to a lesser extent) by LEE. My infra bones are very recessed.

Salludon for example has:

Undereye hollowing @NZb6Air told me. The bottom line is the hollowing, the upper line is the eyelid

The vertical height of the lower eyelid doesn't vary much between people, but the reason some have larger than others has to do with if they are victims of undereye hollowing and by how much. The more recessed your Infra bone is, the less fat you will have under your eye (more it would've been affected by gravity), which is why I think that I have very high percieved LEE (is infact combination of Lower eyelid height and how much hollowing I have)... it's because I also have a very very recessed Negative Orbital Vector.

So, what matters is fat padding. But how much of it remains/exists, depends on how forward projected the infra bone is.

 

[Alucard69]

They are high set

Hmm lower eyelid retractions look often uncanny i think if the outer canthus is high, so there's then sort of a too fast inclination, causing gay look

My inner canthus is pretty big so to say, i wonder if it's possible to lift the eyelid more close to inner canthus, that way it keeps more straigtness and less upward curve.

 

[greycel]

does the actual bones still look fine from side and 3/4
if so then do you think i should consider a cantho

Amazing fat pads under eye
It looks incredible when there's no crease under the eye

Similar to Depoot:

 

[Zenis]

I don't think so. I used to, but I saw this image once:
View attachment 3345599

Look where the bone rim is for her. And she has the absence of a crease.
I have no sclera show, very low PFH between both eyelid rims

But I've got very high LEE though, and I think that's a result of how downgrown (as a result recessed) I am. It used to be less before my periorbital fat sunk. I think by having forward infra bones, you are less likely to be affected (and to a lesser extent) by LEE. My infra bones are very recessed.

Salludon for example has:
View attachment 3345606
Undereye hollowing @NZb6Air told me. The bottom line is the hollowing, the upper line is the eyelid

View attachment 3345610

The vertical height of the lower eyelid doesn't vary much between people, but the reason some have larger than others has to do with if they are victims of undereye hollowing and by how much. The more recessed your Infra bone is, the less fat you will have under your eye (more it would've been affected by gravity), which is why I think that I have very high percieved LEE (is infact combination of Lower eyelid height and how much hollowing I have)... it's because I also have a very very recessed Negative Orbital Vector.

So, what matters is fat padding. But how much of it remains/exists, depends on how forward projected the infra bone is.

Then how am I explained despite my prominence of the infra bone my fat pads under my eyes are 404,

you can even seee the darkness from here

 

[Zenis]

Hmm lower eyelid retractions look often uncanny i think if the outer canthus is high, so there's then sort of a too fast inclination, causing gay look
View attachment 3345625

My inner canthus is pretty big so to say, i wonder if it's possible to lift the eyelid more close to inner canthus, that way it keeps more straigtness and less upward curve.

They look gay because of that, the shitty eyelids help remove the gay cat eye look + this dude lacks Dimporhsim so it makes it even worse.

A upward curve is good, of course if you have a extreme upward curve wirhout the proper Dimporhsim to balance it well yeah it will look gay sure

 

[greycel]

Then how am I explained despite my prominence of the infra bone my fat pads under my eyes are 404, View attachment 3345638 you can even seee the darkness from here

How much fat you have started with is also genetic
You likely had the same fat pads from a young age

Also it's hardly dark. Those are good fat pads

 

[Zenis]

How much fat you have started with is also genetic
You likely had the same fat pads from a young age

Also it's hardly dark. Those are good fat pads

So I am just pretty much an outlier on the shitty lower eyelids then right, it’s not my infras or fat pads it’s purely genatic then

 

[axttt_]

Amazing fat pads under eye
It looks incredible when there's no crease under the eye

Similar to Depoot:
View attachment 3345633

doesnt everyone have some slight creasing?
i do have crease under eye in certain lighting like very downlight but i think it may be a result of shadowing because in natural light theres 0
however i was always under the impression that a fat pad crease like aegyo sal was supposed to be ideal?

 

[axttt_]

Amazing fat pads under eye
It looks incredible when there's no crease under the eye

Similar to Depoot:
View attachment 3345633

you think a cantho is worth it in my case?

 

[greycel]

So I am just pretty much an outlier on the shitty lower eyelids then right, it’s not my infras or fat pads it’s purely genatic then

I'm telling you, your undereye fat pads are good
Also, its easily fixable if it's troubling you so much. Get an undereye fat graft

But they look good to me. In fact it was one of the things I instantly mentioned when u showed me ur face in PMs
You've got good undereyes

 

[greycel]

you think a cantho is worth it in my case?

Nah
You already got a very good eye area. I wouldn't bother doing any surgery for a high risk low reward
The better a feature is, the harder it becomes to make an improvement through it

Especially with finicky features like eyes/nose

 

[psychomandible]

5-6 hours of sleep is enough nigga

 

[Alucard69]

I don't think so. I used to, but I saw this image once:
View attachment 3345599

Look where the bone rim is for her. And she has the absence of a crease.
I have no sclera show, very low PFH between both eyelid rims

But I've got very high LEE though, and I think that's a result of how downgrown (as a result recessed) I am. It used to be less before my periorbital fat sunk. I think by having forward infra bones, you are less likely to be affected (and to a lesser extent) by LEE. My infra bones are very recessed.

Salludon for example has:
View attachment 3345606
Undereye hollowing @NZb6Air told me. The bottom line is the hollowing, the upper line is the eyelid

View attachment 3345610

The vertical height of the lower eyelid doesn't vary much between people, but the reason some have larger than others has to do with if they are victims of undereye hollowing and by how much. The more recessed your Infra bone is, the less fat you will have under your eye (more it would've been affected by gravity), which is why I think that I have very high percieved LEE (is infact combination of Lower eyelid height and how much hollowing I have)... it's because I also have a very very recessed Negative Orbital Vector.

So, what matters is fat padding. But how much of it remains/exists, depends on how forward projected the infra bone is.

Salludon's eye shape is much superior to her, so even by this higher setness>projection (if we imagined salludon had recessed infras). Also salludon squinches that's why he has 'LEE' there, she would have it aswell i'm pretty sure

Also btw if your infras/upper maxilla is too forward compared to lf1 region, that apparently causes the fat pads undereyes to slide downwards, causing hollow undereyes/nasofolds

 

[Zenis]

doesnt everyone have some slight creasing?
i do have crease under eye in certain lighting like very downlight but i think it may be a result of shadowing because in natural light theres 0
however i was always under the impression that a fat pad crease like aegyo sal was supposed to be ideal?

Yes everyone does but their is levels to it

Chad level creasing

Meanwhile this subhuman

 

[axttt_]

Salludon's eye shape is much superior to her, so even by this higher setness>projection (if we imagined salludon had recessed infras). Also salludon squinches that's why he has 'LEE' there, she would have it aswell i'm pretty sure

Also btw if your infras/upper maxilla is too forward compared to lf1 region, that apparently causes the fat pads undereyes to slide downwards, causing hollow undereyes/nasofolds

i think i have this issue my infras are forward grown but my maxilla is retruded but i dont really have naso folds or hollow eyes